just spoke with a picketing supermarket worker

[ivol07]

Originally posted by: Millennium

Originally posted by: ivol07

Originally posted by: rmrf

Originally posted by: Millennium
I don't want to get into the whole Union debate, but I did want to say something about those that said you couldn't make the grocery business your career. I beg to differ 100%. My father started cleaning toilets at age 16 and by the age of 40(without a college degree) he was the Vice President of a Fortune 500 Company and one of the largest Grocery Chains in the Southeast. Not only did he have a very large salary and very good benefits... but the vendor comps we received were insane. We went to Disney World about a year before he died. Guess who paid for that? Not his company or anyone in the family, but rather Coca-Cola footed the entire bill. Once a week Golden Flake would take us out to eat at a Five Star Restaurant. One of their execs would take our immediate family out and foot the normal 200-250 dollar bill. Every week Barber's Dairy would deliver us Orange Juice, Milk, Ice Cream, and other things. Every month or so Pepsi and Coke would pull up to the house in a truck and unload crates of drinks and other products. Don't even get me into the stock benefits or the corporate cars, jets, and travels.

Working in a supermarket is just like any other job. If you do it well you have the chance to succeed and move up.

That may have been true many years ago when only so many people had college degree's, and people were able to get grandfathered in. But now, everyone and his brother has a college degree, so who would you rather hire to work higher up in your company. someone who has been working the register for the past 5 years, or someone with a college degree?

Working at a supermarket is like any job, you might move up to meat cutter, or maybe even the secretary for the manager of the cashiers.

And it sounds like your Dad was around when this company was barely starting. Now I would wager there is no chance for a bag boy to become Vice President.

How does it "sound" that way. Are you sure you aren't "assuming" instead? The company was founded in 1906. How could he have been there from the start if the company was older than he was?

I still wager you are fvcking wrong. Most people don't make their money from getting a college degree and a median paying job. They find their niche and they succeed.

Of course I'm assuming. I didn't know your dad. I'm sure he was a great guy. But for all I know you're 60 years old and your fVcking Dad was alive then. I really don't care. Obviously you don't know how Unions work. There is a thing called seniority. You can only go so far in a Unionized company. Doesn't matter if the guy that was hired one day before you is a drug addict douche bag he will get the promotion because he was there one day before you.

And isn't taking all those "Comps" illegal? Especially if he is in charge of what's stocked on shelves.

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: rmrf

Originally posted by: Millennium

Originally posted by: rmrf

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: rmrf

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: rmrf
<rant>I worked for a union (read: mob) once doing construction. I was pulling $17.50/hour out of it, while the union took another $11.50/hour from my boss. Anyone who believes that the union is a good thing, must not know what exactly goes on. The union is for a person that does everthing half-assed, wants a good paying job that they can't get fired from, and is a slacker at best. Everyone that I worked with that summer had no work ethic, wouldn't do things because it wasn't in their technical job description, and basically did sh!tty work the entire time. A friend of the family is a foreman for a well known construction company in the state, he makes $50/hour and doesn't have to show up at work half the time because he says he has a sore back (read: out hunting or fishing).</rant>

I think this whole thing with the cashiers being part of a union, is just another way for the mob to get their hands on a little more cash.

I smell Bullsh!t

you must be union.

No I'm not but when I was in the Construction trade I was and I never witnessed anything like you describe..except on the Soprano's

I've never seen the soprano's, so I wouldn't know what you are talking about, but what I say was exactly how I explained it. I was working on a job for the state, and we were required to hire union. We needed to have the place painted, so my boss called a union company that would paint it. The guy didn't show up for about a week, when he finally did, we asked what took him so long, and he told us that he had been arrested. He then proceeded to tell us that he wasn't going to be able to work for a few days, because he needed to get his truck (with all his tools) out of the impound lot. Why wasn't this guy fired? I know that if I went to jail for a week, and had my vehicle impounded with supplies from my workplace I would be fired as soon as I was let out of jail.

Maybe union workers in Massachusets have a little better work ethic than I've seen, but the whole union thing is just a scam. Like one of the replies on this thread said, unions were good for 50 years ago, but now, everyone has a lawyer, and that is good enough.

RD is from California so you are barking up the wrong tree. I too have never seen any of this union evil you are talking about. I don't really care for unions but I have never seen the BS you are talking about.

his fvcking profile says massachusets, so we know is already lying about one thing, why should be take anything he says seriously.

I am trying to be the kinder gentler Millennium but you deserve a good flame. Hey you fvcking moron, did you ever think that people might move? Nah, that would go over your 15 year old head! I said he is FROM California. What does FROM mean little man? Does it mean "lives there now?" I think not you half-wit douche. Where is that jump to conclusions mat you were using to label him a liar?

 

[OutHouse]

DIE thread DIE~~

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: ivol07

Originally posted by: Millennium

Originally posted by: ivol07

Originally posted by: rmrf

Originally posted by: Millennium
I don't want to get into the whole Union debate, but I did want to say something about those that said you couldn't make the grocery business your career. I beg to differ 100%. My father started cleaning toilets at age 16 and by the age of 40(without a college degree) he was the Vice President of a Fortune 500 Company and one of the largest Grocery Chains in the Southeast. Not only did he have a very large salary and very good benefits... but the vendor comps we received were insane. We went to Disney World about a year before he died. Guess who paid for that? Not his company or anyone in the family, but rather Coca-Cola footed the entire bill. Once a week Golden Flake would take us out to eat at a Five Star Restaurant. One of their execs would take our immediate family out and foot the normal 200-250 dollar bill. Every week Barber's Dairy would deliver us Orange Juice, Milk, Ice Cream, and other things. Every month or so Pepsi and Coke would pull up to the house in a truck and unload crates of drinks and other products. Don't even get me into the stock benefits or the corporate cars, jets, and travels.

Working in a supermarket is just like any other job. If you do it well you have the chance to succeed and move up.

That may have been true many years ago when only so many people had college degree's, and people were able to get grandfathered in. But now, everyone and his brother has a college degree, so who would you rather hire to work higher up in your company. someone who has been working the register for the past 5 years, or someone with a college degree?

Working at a supermarket is like any job, you might move up to meat cutter, or maybe even the secretary for the manager of the cashiers.

And it sounds like your Dad was around when this company was barely starting. Now I would wager there is no chance for a bag boy to become Vice President.

How does it "sound" that way. Are you sure you aren't "assuming" instead? The company was founded in 1906. How could he have been there from the start if the company was older than he was?

I still wager you are fvcking wrong. Most people don't make their money from getting a college degree and a median paying job. They find their niche and they succeed.

Of course I'm assuming. I didn't know your dad. I'm sure he was a great guy. But for all I know you're 60 years old and your fVcking Dad was alive then. I really don't care. Obviously you don't know how Unions work. There is a thing called seniority. You can only go so far in a Unionized company. Doesn't matter if the guy that was hired one day before you is a drug addict douche bag he will get the promotion because he was there one day before you.

And isn't taking all those "Comps" illegal? Especially if he is in charge of what's stocked on shelves.

When did I say his company was unionized, and when have any of my replies to you mentioned unions? Illegal? Ummm no. How old are you? His company was never union and execs are not unionized any way. Secondly, I think it is quite obvious that I am not 60 if you have ever read a single post of mine on this board. Thirdly, why are you giving me a lecture about unions when the first part of my first post stated that I wasn't going to talk about the Union stuff? Fourthly, who the fvck told you that comps would be illegal? I must restate.... how old are you?

 

[ivol07]

Originally posted by: Millennium

Originally posted by: ivol07

Originally posted by: Millennium

Originally posted by: ivol07

Originally posted by: rmrf

Originally posted by: Millennium
I don't want to get into the whole Union debate, but I did want to say something about those that said you couldn't make the grocery business your career. I beg to differ 100%. My father started cleaning toilets at age 16 and by the age of 40(without a college degree) he was the Vice President of a Fortune 500 Company and one of the largest Grocery Chains in the Southeast. Not only did he have a very large salary and very good benefits... but the vendor comps we received were insane. We went to Disney World about a year before he died. Guess who paid for that? Not his company or anyone in the family, but rather Coca-Cola footed the entire bill. Once a week Golden Flake would take us out to eat at a Five Star Restaurant. One of their execs would take our immediate family out and foot the normal 200-250 dollar bill. Every week Barber's Dairy would deliver us Orange Juice, Milk, Ice Cream, and other things. Every month or so Pepsi and Coke would pull up to the house in a truck and unload crates of drinks and other products. Don't even get me into the stock benefits or the corporate cars, jets, and travels.

Working in a supermarket is just like any other job. If you do it well you have the chance to succeed and move up.

That may have been true many years ago when only so many people had college degree's, and people were able to get grandfathered in. But now, everyone and his brother has a college degree, so who would you rather hire to work higher up in your company. someone who has been working the register for the past 5 years, or someone with a college degree?

Working at a supermarket is like any job, you might move up to meat cutter, or maybe even the secretary for the manager of the cashiers.

And it sounds like your Dad was around when this company was barely starting. Now I would wager there is no chance for a bag boy to become Vice President.

How does it "sound" that way. Are you sure you aren't "assuming" instead? The company was founded in 1906. How could he have been there from the start if the company was older than he was?

I still wager you are fvcking wrong. Most people don't make their money from getting a college degree and a median paying job. They find their niche and they succeed.

Of course I'm assuming. I didn't know your dad. I'm sure he was a great guy. But for all I know you're 60 years old and your fVcking Dad was alive then. I really don't care. Obviously you don't know how Unions work. There is a thing called seniority. You can only go so far in a Unionized company. Doesn't matter if the guy that was hired one day before you is a drug addict douche bag he will get the promotion because he was there one day before you.

And isn't taking all those "Comps" illegal? Especially if he is in charge of what's stocked on shelves.

When did I say his company was unionized, and when have any of my replies to you mentioned unions? Illegal? Ummm no. How old are you? His company was never union and execs are not unionized any way. Secondly, I think it is quite obvious that I am not 60 if you have ever read a single post of mine on this board. Thirdly, why are you giving me a lecture about unions when the first part of my first post stated that I wasn't going to talk about the Union stuff? Fourthly, who the fvck told you that comps would be illegal? I must restate.... how old are you?

So you came into a post where 99% of the argument is about Unions and posted something about someone who climbed the ranks at a non Union company? Good job. And are you famous? Why should I remember any of your prior posts? Your not that memorable. And true, management is not Union. But even in Management if someone quits (or more usually retires) there are 20 other people waiting for that job. It would be far fetched for a Bag Boy to make it to Vice President. Unless he knew some important people.

I'm 24 years old. I don't know what that has to do with that fact that I see what your father did as unethical. And I beleived it to be illegal. I wasn't sure, that's why I phrased it as a question. At the very least I find it unethical.

And by the way. I'm on your side. I believe that if you work hard at (almost) any job you have you can get ahead and make something of it. But the Unions do not reward good, hard work, they reward seniority.

 

[rmrf]

Originally posted by: Millennium

Originally posted by: ivol07

Originally posted by: Millennium

Originally posted by: ivol07

Originally posted by: rmrf

Originally posted by: Millennium
I don't want to get into the whole Union debate, but I did want to say something about those that said you couldn't make the grocery business your career. I beg to differ 100%. My father started cleaning toilets at age 16 and by the age of 40(without a college degree) he was the Vice President of a Fortune 500 Company and one of the largest Grocery Chains in the Southeast. Not only did he have a very large salary and very good benefits... but the vendor comps we received were insane. We went to Disney World about a year before he died. Guess who paid for that? Not his company or anyone in the family, but rather Coca-Cola footed the entire bill. Once a week Golden Flake would take us out to eat at a Five Star Restaurant. One of their execs would take our immediate family out and foot the normal 200-250 dollar bill. Every week Barber's Dairy would deliver us Orange Juice, Milk, Ice Cream, and other things. Every month or so Pepsi and Coke would pull up to the house in a truck and unload crates of drinks and other products. Don't even get me into the stock benefits or the corporate cars, jets, and travels.

Working in a supermarket is just like any other job. If you do it well you have the chance to succeed and move up.

That may have been true many years ago when only so many people had college degree's, and people were able to get grandfathered in. But now, everyone and his brother has a college degree, so who would you rather hire to work higher up in your company. someone who has been working the register for the past 5 years, or someone with a college degree?

Working at a supermarket is like any job, you might move up to meat cutter, or maybe even the secretary for the manager of the cashiers.

And it sounds like your Dad was around when this company was barely starting. Now I would wager there is no chance for a bag boy to become Vice President.

How does it "sound" that way. Are you sure you aren't "assuming" instead? The company was founded in 1906. How could he have been there from the start if the company was older than he was?

I still wager you are fvcking wrong. Most people don't make their money from getting a college degree and a median paying job. They find their niche and they succeed.

Of course I'm assuming. I didn't know your dad. I'm sure he was a great guy. But for all I know you're 60 years old and your fVcking Dad was alive then. I really don't care. Obviously you don't know how Unions work. There is a thing called seniority. You can only go so far in a Unionized company. Doesn't matter if the guy that was hired one day before you is a drug addict douche bag he will get the promotion because he was there one day before you.

And isn't taking all those "Comps" illegal? Especially if he is in charge of what's stocked on shelves.

When did I say his company was unionized, and when have any of my replies to you mentioned unions? Illegal? Ummm no. How old are you? His company was never union and execs are not unionized any way. Secondly, I think it is quite obvious that I am not 60 if you have ever read a single post of mine on this board. Thirdly, why are you giving me a lecture about unions when the first part of my first post stated that I wasn't going to talk about the Union stuff? Fourthly, who the fvck told you that comps would be illegal? I must restate.... how old are you?

If his company wasn't unionized, then why are you even contributing to this thread? You have no clue about how unions work, or what they are all about. And what is all this about referring to yourself in the third person? Go lay by your dish and quit trying to make your post count higher by posting uninformed sh!t.

btw: you kinda sound like a guy I know called WALLEYE :evil:

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: ivol07

Originally posted by: Millennium

Originally posted by: ivol07

Originally posted by: Millennium

Originally posted by: ivol07

Originally posted by: rmrf

Originally posted by: Millennium
I don't want to get into the whole Union debate, but I did want to say something about those that said you couldn't make the grocery business your career. I beg to differ 100%. My father started cleaning toilets at age 16 and by the age of 40(without a college degree) he was the Vice President of a Fortune 500 Company and one of the largest Grocery Chains in the Southeast. Not only did he have a very large salary and very good benefits... but the vendor comps we received were insane. We went to Disney World about a year before he died. Guess who paid for that? Not his company or anyone in the family, but rather Coca-Cola footed the entire bill. Once a week Golden Flake would take us out to eat at a Five Star Restaurant. One of their execs would take our immediate family out and foot the normal 200-250 dollar bill. Every week Barber's Dairy would deliver us Orange Juice, Milk, Ice Cream, and other things. Every month or so Pepsi and Coke would pull up to the house in a truck and unload crates of drinks and other products. Don't even get me into the stock benefits or the corporate cars, jets, and travels.

Working in a supermarket is just like any other job. If you do it well you have the chance to succeed and move up.

That may have been true many years ago when only so many people had college degree's, and people were able to get grandfathered in. But now, everyone and his brother has a college degree, so who would you rather hire to work higher up in your company. someone who has been working the register for the past 5 years, or someone with a college degree?

Working at a supermarket is like any job, you might move up to meat cutter, or maybe even the secretary for the manager of the cashiers.

And it sounds like your Dad was around when this company was barely starting. Now I would wager there is no chance for a bag boy to become Vice President.

How does it "sound" that way. Are you sure you aren't "assuming" instead? The company was founded in 1906. How could he have been there from the start if the company was older than he was?

I still wager you are fvcking wrong. Most people don't make their money from getting a college degree and a median paying job. They find their niche and they succeed.

Of course I'm assuming. I didn't know your dad. I'm sure he was a great guy. But for all I know you're 60 years old and your fVcking Dad was alive then. I really don't care. Obviously you don't know how Unions work. There is a thing called seniority. You can only go so far in a Unionized company. Doesn't matter if the guy that was hired one day before you is a drug addict douche bag he will get the promotion because he was there one day before you.

And isn't taking all those "Comps" illegal? Especially if he is in charge of what's stocked on shelves.

When did I say his company was unionized, and when have any of my replies to you mentioned unions? Illegal? Ummm no. How old are you? His company was never union and execs are not unionized any way. Secondly, I think it is quite obvious that I am not 60 if you have ever read a single post of mine on this board. Thirdly, why are you giving me a lecture about unions when the first part of my first post stated that I wasn't going to talk about the Union stuff? Fourthly, who the fvck told you that comps would be illegal? I must restate.... how old are you?

So you came into a post where 99% of the argument is about Unions and posted something about someone who climbed the ranks at a non Union company? Good job. And are you famous? Why should I remember any of your prior posts? Your not that memorable. And true, management is not Union. But even in Management if someone quits (or more usually retires) there are 20 other people waiting for that job. It would be far fetched for a Bag Boy to make it to Vice President. Unless he knew some people important.

I'm 24 years old. I don't know what that has to do with that fact that I see what your father did as unethical. And I beleived it to be illegal. I wasn't sure, that's why I phrased it as a question. At the very least I find it unethical.

And by the way. I'm on your side. I believe that if you work hard at (almost) any job you have you can get ahead and make something of it. But the Unions do not reward good, hard work, they reward seniority.

It isn't unethical, illegal, or even remotely wrong. The grocery business and all corps have been doing that for a VERY LONG TIME. One day when you get a clue you will understand it. Like I said... if you read my original post you would see WHO I was referencing. Go back and read it and it is very clear that I am saying nothing about Unions. If an Exec leaves there are not 20 people waiting for their job. The company will either promote someone from below or use a headhunter for find someone with the experience and abilities they need. Yes, I am quite famous as I am one of the only people in this thread that can READ. He didn't know anyone important... in fact he was one of the only execs that wasn't Italian(family owned Italian company). He advanced solely due to hardwork and his skill instead of connections or his race/ethnicity.

If you are going to say it is unethical then you are going to have to post a link saying that it is. I don't recall anything in business ethics that said anything about private businesses being unable to take comps. Maybe you are just a fvcking moron? I am betting on that but I will give you the chance to show some support. Either post a link to something credible that substantiates your claim or shut the hell up? If you don't back up your assertions you lose by default.

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: Millennium
I don't want to get into the whole Union debate, but I did want to say something about those that said you couldn't make the grocery business your career. I beg to differ 100%. My father started cleaning toilets at age 16 and by the age of 40(without a college degree) he was the Vice President of a Fortune 500 Company and one of the largest Grocery Chains in the Southeast. Not only did he have a very large salary and very good benefits... but the vendor comps we received were insane. We went to Disney World about a year before he died. Guess who paid for that? Not his company or anyone in the family, but rather Coca-Cola footed the entire bill. Once a week Golden Flake would take us out to eat at a Five Star Restaurant. One of their execs would take our immediate family out and foot the normal 200-250 dollar bill. Every week Barber's Dairy would deliver us Orange Juice, Milk, Ice Cream, and other things. Every month or so Pepsi and Coke would pull up to the house in a truck and unload crates of drinks and other products. Don't even get me into the stock benefits or the corporate cars, jets, and travels.

Working in a supermarket is just like any other job. If you do it well you have the chance to succeed and move up.

Can you idiots read or not? Simple question.

 

[Mill]

 

If that guy is pissed about his benefits being lowered guess what? He should quit and find a new job. I took a 50% paycut last year (put me below his $17.50/hour). Did I protest? No, I'd have been freaking fired (I couldn't get another job due to visa issues). You either take what you're given or you find a new job. Striking generally doesn't sit well with me. It's a very mememe gimme gimme gimme mentality, as if your employer owes you something...kind of like a kid crying to their parents for not buying them more toys.

I see you've never had a job where you can actaully bargain for level of wages.

 

[Geekbabe]

I did shipping/receiving for a few years for a supermarket chain and for a toy store chain.I found the work to be pretty backbreaking as well as mentally taxing(things were becoming computerized back then ) not to mention that I worked graveyard shift.I have empathy for the striking workers.

 

[skyking]

The two unions I have belonged to operated in basically the same way.
1) Every wage negotiation was done with the understanding that the company must remain profitable to keep our jobs.
2) Any manager who had a clue DID NOT COME DIRECTLY FROM COLLEGE! They rose from the ranks, withdrew from the union and went into management. They may or may not have attended college while working up through the ranks, but any wet-behind-the-ears 22 year old graduate we were saddled with as a direct manager either failed miserably, or took the advice and support of those who knew the business.

The term, "you gotta pay your dues" means more than being a union member; it means learning your business from the inside out. It applies to non-union companies also.

 

[ivol07]

Originally posted by: Millennium

Originally posted by: ivol07

Originally posted by: Millennium

Originally posted by: ivol07

Originally posted by: Millennium

Originally posted by: ivol07

Originally posted by: rmrf

Originally posted by: Millennium
I don't want to get into the whole Union debate, but I did want to say something about those that said you couldn't make the grocery business your career. I beg to differ 100%. My father started cleaning toilets at age 16 and by the age of 40(without a college degree) he was the Vice President of a Fortune 500 Company and one of the largest Grocery Chains in the Southeast. Not only did he have a very large salary and very good benefits... but the vendor comps we received were insane. We went to Disney World about a year before he died. Guess who paid for that? Not his company or anyone in the family, but rather Coca-Cola footed the entire bill. Once a week Golden Flake would take us out to eat at a Five Star Restaurant. One of their execs would take our immediate family out and foot the normal 200-250 dollar bill. Every week Barber's Dairy would deliver us Orange Juice, Milk, Ice Cream, and other things. Every month or so Pepsi and Coke would pull up to the house in a truck and unload crates of drinks and other products. Don't even get me into the stock benefits or the corporate cars, jets, and travels.

Working in a supermarket is just like any other job. If you do it well you have the chance to succeed and move up.

That may have been true many years ago when only so many people had college degree's, and people were able to get grandfathered in. But now, everyone and his brother has a college degree, so who would you rather hire to work higher up in your company. someone who has been working the register for the past 5 years, or someone with a college degree?

Working at a supermarket is like any job, you might move up to meat cutter, or maybe even the secretary for the manager of the cashiers.

And it sounds like your Dad was around when this company was barely starting. Now I would wager there is no chance for a bag boy to become Vice President.

How does it "sound" that way. Are you sure you aren't "assuming" instead? The company was founded in 1906. How could he have been there from the start if the company was older than he was?

I still wager you are fvcking wrong. Most people don't make their money from getting a college degree and a median paying job. They find their niche and they succeed.

Of course I'm assuming. I didn't know your dad. I'm sure he was a great guy. But for all I know you're 60 years old and your fVcking Dad was alive then. I really don't care. Obviously you don't know how Unions work. There is a thing called seniority. You can only go so far in a Unionized company. Doesn't matter if the guy that was hired one day before you is a drug addict douche bag he will get the promotion because he was there one day before you.

And isn't taking all those "Comps" illegal? Especially if he is in charge of what's stocked on shelves.

When did I say his company was unionized, and when have any of my replies to you mentioned unions? Illegal? Ummm no. How old are you? His company was never union and execs are not unionized any way. Secondly, I think it is quite obvious that I am not 60 if you have ever read a single post of mine on this board. Thirdly, why are you giving me a lecture about unions when the first part of my first post stated that I wasn't going to talk about the Union stuff? Fourthly, who the fvck told you that comps would be illegal? I must restate.... how old are you?

So you came into a post where 99% of the argument is about Unions and posted something about someone who climbed the ranks at a non Union company? Good job. And are you famous? Why should I remember any of your prior posts? Your not that memorable. And true, management is not Union. But even in Management if someone quits (or more usually retires) there are 20 other people waiting for that job. It would be far fetched for a Bag Boy to make it to Vice President. Unless he knew some people important.

I'm 24 years old. I don't know what that has to do with that fact that I see what your father did as unethical. And I beleived it to be illegal. I wasn't sure, that's why I phrased it as a question. At the very least I find it unethical.

And by the way. I'm on your side. I believe that if you work hard at (almost) any job you have you can get ahead and make something of it. But the Unions do not reward good, hard work, they reward seniority.

It isn't unethical, illegal, or even remotely wrong. The grocery business and all corps have been doing that for a VERY LONG TIME. One day when you get a clue you will understand it. Like I said... if you read my original post you would see WHO I was referencing. Go back and read it and it is very clear that I am saying nothing about Unions. If an Exec leaves there are not 20 people waiting for their job. The company will either promote someone from below or use a headhunter for find someone with the experience and abilities they need. Yes, I am quite famous as I am one of the only people in this thread that can READ. He didn't know anyone important... in fact he was one of the only execs that wasn't Italian(family owned Italian company). He advanced solely due to hardwork and his skill instead of connections or his race/ethnicity.

If you are going to say it is unethical then you are going to have to post a link saying that it is. I don't recall anything in business ethics that said anything about private businesses being unable to take comps. Maybe you are just a fvcking moron? I am betting on that but I will give you the chance to show some support. Either post a link to something credible that substantiates your claim or shut the hell up? If you don't back up your assertions you lose by default.

How am I going to post a link to back up the fact that I/ME think what he did was unethical? Oh wait. I BELIEVE IT'S UNETHICAL!. All I'm saying is I can see the conversation now. "I'll put XXX Softdrink's here where customers can see them better because they just delivered a case to my house". But I"m sure they were just giving you guys free trips to Disney World and cases of free food because your Dad was a Super Cool Guy.

And what are you talking about? Of course when an exec moves there are people waiting. I worked for UPS...a HUGE Corporation. I worked my way OUT of my Union job to become Management. And when UPS Stock went public there was a huge rush of execs retiring because they just came up on a lot of money. And guess who filled those positons?

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: skyking
The two unions I have belonged to operated in basically the same way.
1) Every wage negotiation was done with the understanding that the company must remain profitable to keep our jobs.
2) Any manager who had a clue DID NOT COME DIRECTLY FROM COLLEGE! They rose from the ranks, withdrew from the union and went into management. They may or may not have attended college while working up through the ranks, but any wet-behind-the-ears 22 year old graduate we were saddled with as a direct manager either failed miserably, or took the advice and support of those who knew the business.

The term, "you gotta pay your dues" means more than being a union member; it means learning your business from the inside out. It applies to non-union companies also.

When talking about good management you are exactly right.

 

[Tom]

"Obviously you don't know how Unions work. There is a thing called seniority. You can only go so far in a Unionized company. Doesn't matter if the guy that was hired one day before you is a drug addict douche bag he will get the promotion because he was there one day before you."

That isn't right. The example I gave above was at a unionized Kroger store. Seniority rights are part of a negotiated contract, they don't exist just because there's a union.

 

[Mill]

How am I going to post a link to back up the fact that I/ME think what he did was unethical? Oh wait. I BELIEVE IT'S UNETHICAL!. All I'm saying is I can see the conversation now. "I'll put XXX Softdrink's here where customers can see them better because they just delivered a case to my house". But I"m sure they were just giving you guys free trips to Disney World and cases of free food because your Dad was a Super Cool Guy.

And what are you talking about? Of course when an exec moves there are people waiting. I worked for UPS...a HUGE Corporation. I worked my way OUT of my Union job to become Management. And when UPS Stock went public there was a huge rush of execs retiring because they just came up on a lot of money. And guess who filled those positons?

So now you are presupposing that he gave beneficial product placement to a particular company? Do you even understand how the grocery business works? Do you understand why moving the product in a 50,000 sq ft floor is based on profits and agreements and not a comp? Secondly, when most people have an opinion they have something factual to back it up. I can see that you have never heard of actually giving supporting evidence to a damn thing you say.

"Of course when an exec moves there are people waiting. I worked for UPS...a HUGE Corporation. I worked my way OUT of my Union job to become Management. And when UPS Stock went public there was a huge rush of execs retiring because they just came up on a lot of money. And guess who filled those positons?"

I fail to see how that situation is comparable to one executive leaving(which is what the original idea was about). I will go ahead and bite though and say I have seen entire low level executive structures replaced by outsiders. There is no "waiting" list for an executive job. They are going to come to you and not the other way around. They pick you and promote you. You don't go from District Manager to the President of Store Operations. You go up the totem pole like everyone else and there is a pattern you follow. They don't skip you around and say "Hey! He has a college degree so he must be better than the guy with 20 years experience." Actually, your example further proves my point... UPS stayed with those that KNEW the business. They weren't out looking for a college grad from the local JUCO.

You can't honestly expect me to believe you are management or have a college degree. If you are that further highlights my point that tons of businesses today are engaging in the good ole boy system and not hiring the person with the most experience and skills.

 

[skyking]

Originally posted by: Millennium

Originally posted by: skyking
The two unions I have belonged to operated in basically the same way.
1) Every wage negotiation was done with the understanding that the company must remain profitable to keep our jobs.
2) Any manager who had a clue DID NOT COME DIRECTLY FROM COLLEGE! They rose from the ranks, withdrew from the union and went into management. They may or may not have attended college while working up through the ranks, but any wet-behind-the-ears 22 year old graduate we were saddled with as a direct manager either failed miserably, or took the advice and support of those who knew the business.

The term, "you gotta pay your dues" means more than being a union member; it means learning your business from the inside out. It applies to non-union companies also.

When talking about good management you are exactly right.

I was talking about your family member story in a way, but I see it all the time in the trades. In construction trades, it is not a well kept secret if the company makes or loses a bunch of money on a job; the sharper employees figure it out right away.

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: skyking

Originally posted by: Millennium

Originally posted by: skyking
The two unions I have belonged to operated in basically the same way.
1) Every wage negotiation was done with the understanding that the company must remain profitable to keep our jobs.
2) Any manager who had a clue DID NOT COME DIRECTLY FROM COLLEGE! They rose from the ranks, withdrew from the union and went into management. They may or may not have attended college while working up through the ranks, but any wet-behind-the-ears 22 year old graduate we were saddled with as a direct manager either failed miserably, or took the advice and support of those who knew the business.

The term, "you gotta pay your dues" means more than being a union member; it means learning your business from the inside out. It applies to non-union companies also.

When talking about good management you are exactly right.

I was talking about your family member story in a way, but I see it all the time in the trades. In construction trades, it is not a well kept secret if the company makes or loses a bunch of money on a job; the sharper employees figure it out right away.

Yep.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: rmrf



I've never seen the soprano's, so I wouldn't know what you are talking about, but what I say was exactly how I explained it. I was working on a job for the state, and we were required to hire union. We needed to have the place painted, so my boss called a union company that would paint it. The guy didn't show up for about a week, when he finally did, we asked what took him so long, and he told us that he had been arrested. He then proceeded to tell us that he wasn't going to be able to work for a few days, because he needed to get his truck (with all his tools) out of the impound lot. Why wasn't this guy fired? I know that if I went to jail for a week, and had my vehicle impounded with supplies from my workplace I would be fired as soon as I was let out of jail.

Maybe union workers in Massachusets have a little better work ethic than I've seen, but the whole union thing is just a scam. Like one of the replies on this thread said, unions were good for 50 years ago, but now, everyone has a lawyer, and that is good enough.

I was a Union Jopurneyman Carpenter in California for 12 years until I had a career ending injury. I never saw anything like what you described. In our case the Union made sure that we earned good wages, benefits and Retirement but it never kept any of us from getting sh!tcanned if we weren't doing the work. Miss a day or two without a good reason, you were down the road. Loaf on the Job, down the road, tell your Foreman to shove it up his ass, down the road. Hell I even got fired from a job or two just because the Foreman didn't like me personally and the Union didn't or couldn't really do anything about it There were Carpenters who weren't in the Union around but for the most part they couldn't hold a candle to a Union Carpenter because Union Carpenters were trained through an apprentice program funded by the Union, not the Contractors. Same went for Elelctricians, Plumbers, Sheet Metal Workers , etc.

You mentioning that the job was for the Government really makes me doubt your claim. First of all, on Government Jobs there usually is some Beaurocrat overlooking the job to make sure it is finished on time and comes in close to budget (being the Government that usually doesn't happen) Crews not showing up or screwing around and not doing a good job om a Government Project will get someones attention real quick.
Here in Mass they have an enormous Project called the Big Dig (look it up) It's being done by Union Workers and if someone doesn't do their job they won't have a job fopr long. I also couldn't imagine a bunch on non Union Workers off the street doing that project as they don't posses the skill levels that it would take to do the job right and to do it safely.

 

[skyking]

Here in Mass they have an enormous Project called the Big Dig

That is the kind of work I do, and you won't make it through the first day if you are not up to the job in every way. You don't bullshit about your skills or knowledge, for if you do, Murphy will test you pretty quick

 

[cricky]

I have removed myself from this argument because I could not stand it any longer, but I drag myself back in because I want to clear up a couple mis-conceptions about union "seniority."

The employer will choose the more qualified candidate. They are allowed to chose promotion outside of seniority. It's a 50/50 rule. 50% by seniority, 50% outside of seniority. I was chosen outside of seniority. I had three people ahead of me, seniority-wise. One was a drug addict (like someone else made the assumption that he would get the job), one didn't care other than the money (only wanted to work a couple years and quit to do motorcycle repair) and one had a poor attendence record. So they chose me. The other three were gone within 6 months by their own doing.

The other 50% they offer to the most senior members, and 95% of them turn it down. The most senior amongst us at our store are usually cashiers, working part-time, and only doing it to supplement their SO's wages. Most of them don't want full-time or added responsibility.

The few times that people have been chosen straight from seniority within our store, they ended up quitting within 6 months to a year because it wasn't what they wanted. Trust me, the companies know how to run their businesses and will NOT choose those that make it harder for them to turn a profit. If not so, then the company is being mis-managed.

As for the people saying that in this day and age, no one could become a VP of one of these sort of companies starting from the bottom. True, for the most part. But I've been at it for 10 years now, and just this week they offered a chance for me to manage my own store. I turned them down simply because it would involve a 500 mile move (amongst other reasons.) Not bad for being a $5.50 an hour stockboy ten years ago. The qualified are offered these chances if they show the leadership ability.

I'll duck my head back out now. I've already had my blood pressure boiling for the better part of the week because of people's derogatory remarks about retail workers. If you have not worked retail you probably have not had to deal with the nuances in relations between customers and employees.

Those that take it as a simple job needing no thought and motivation will probably not make it anywhere within the retail business. They may make a high wage should they stick it out long enough, but with a close to 80% turnaround rate within two years, very few do.

--Chris

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: jjyiz28

Originally posted by: Zebo

these people are not teachers that are grossly underpaid and underappreciated. these people are cashiers that overestimate their value.

Gawd if I hear this one more time my head is going to explode it think. In a capitalistic society you're paid what your worth. If you don't like it get different job which pays more or less depending on your intrests/modivations. But supply and demand dictates pay.

gawd if i hear this one more time my head is going to explode i think.
supply and demand dictates pay but not for union workers.

Pray do tell how supply and demand does'nt apply for Union workers. Even 150K a year undegreed longshormens pay is dictated by supply and demand. If it gets too high the company(s) will have no choice but to hire and train scab replacements. Just like if you ask your boss for too much he will have no choice but to fire you and hire a replacement. You are obviously unhappy and feel underpaid... please join a union or find another line of work, but bitching about does you no good.

And all these morons who think you little precious degree means something, like a union card of sorts to look down on others and a ticket to higher pay, you're sadly mistaken. Probably not your fault, you were sold this idea partially by your laziness to stay in school and live the charmed life, and partially by the advertising campain of HS and colleges. But you need to get used to the fact there are millions w/o degrees who will always make more than you. Grow up. It's what can you do for the company or society not what you got (potential/degree). The quicker you realize this the better you performance will be both with and without a degree..In or out of a union... And your pay will reflect this increased value.

BTW jj, teachers are union... so much for your theory of UNION being overpiad when while you dispise teachers low pay in the same paragraph..

 

[jjyiz28]

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: jjyiz28

Originally posted by: Zebo

these people are not teachers that are grossly underpaid and underappreciated. these people are cashiers that overestimate their value.

Gawd if I hear this one more time my head is going to explode it think. In a capitalistic society you're paid what your worth. If you don't like it get different job which pays more or less depending on your intrests/modivations. But supply and demand dictates pay.

gawd if i hear this one more time my head is going to explode i think.
supply and demand dictates pay but not for union workers.

Pray do tell how supply and demand does'nt apply for Union workers. Even 150K a year undegreed longshormens pay is dictated by supply and demand. If it gets too high the company(s) will have no choice but to hire and train scab replacements. Just like if you ask your boss for too much he will have no choice but to fire you and hire a replacement. You are obviously unhappy and feel underpaid... please join a union or find another line of work, but bitching about does you no good.

And all these morons who think you little precious degree means something, like a union card of sorts to look down on others and a ticket to higher pay, you're sadly mistaken. Probably not your fault, you were sold this idea partially by your laziness to stay in school and live the charmed life, and partially by the advertising campain of HS and colleges. But you need to get used to the fact there are millions w/o degrees who will always make more than you. Grow up. It's what can you do for the company or society not what you got (potential/degree).

someone pointed it out how doesn't apply to unions.

anyways, you're right, degree's don't mean nothing by it self. certifications too. but degree's and certs CAN'T hurt you. you make it seem like every degree holding cert holder person is a yuppie that looks down at people without it. gimme a break. i think YOU are the one with issues. maybe mommie daddy couldn't afford a good college for jr, or maybe jr didn't do to well on his SAT's. after alot of backbreak work, jr is making decent wages. and its jr. that has issues with college graduates not the other way around.

to reply to another post, i dont believe cashier's are same as retail. retail you smile, bring customer in, say, "oh, that jacket looks real nice on you" blah blah... etc... cashier doesn't need these sort of retail skills, just swipe food across and say the total. maybe with a lil smile

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: jjyiz28

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: jjyiz28

Originally posted by: Zebo

these people are not teachers that are grossly underpaid and underappreciated. these people are cashiers that overestimate their value.

Gawd if I hear this one more time my head is going to explode it think. In a capitalistic society you're paid what your worth. If you don't like it get different job which pays more or less depending on your intrests/modivations. But supply and demand dictates pay.

gawd if i hear this one more time my head is going to explode i think.
supply and demand dictates pay but not for union workers.

Pray do tell how supply and demand does'nt apply for Union workers. Even 150K a year undegreed longshormens pay is dictated by supply and demand. If it gets too high the company(s) will have no choice but to hire and train scab replacements. Just like if you ask your boss for too much he will have no choice but to fire you and hire a replacement. You are obviously unhappy and feel underpaid... please join a union or find another line of work, but bitching about does you no good.

And all these morons who think you little precious degree means something, like a union card of sorts to look down on others and a ticket to higher pay, you're sadly mistaken. Probably not your fault, you were sold this idea partially by your laziness to stay in school and live the charmed life, and partially by the advertising campain of HS and colleges. But you need to get used to the fact there are millions w/o degrees who will always make more than you. Grow up. It's what can you do for the company or society not what you got (potential/degree).

someone pointed it out how doesn't apply to unions.

anyways, you're right, degree's don't mean nothing by it self. certifications too. but degree's and certs CAN'T hurt you. you make it seem like every degree holding cert holder person is a yuppie that looks down at people without it. gimme a break. i think YOU are the one with issues. maybe mommie daddy couldn't afford a good college for jr, or maybe jr didn't do to well on his SAT's. after alot of backbreak work, jr is making decent wages. and its jr. that has issues with college graduates not the other way around.

to reply to another post, i dont believe cashier's are same as retail. retail you smile, bring customer in, say, "oh, that jacket looks real nice on you" blah blah... etc... cashier doesn't need these sort of retail skills, just swipe food across and say the total. maybe with a lil smile

Nice try but I have two degrees BS in Biochem and an MS in Materials Science paid for by scholarships and GI bill/vet disablity. Oh and I made more as a banquet server in college but you can be damn sure I never want slave like that again.

 

[jjyiz28]

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: jjyiz28

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: jjyiz28

Originally posted by: Zebo

these people are not teachers that are grossly underpaid and underappreciated. these people are cashiers that overestimate their value.

Gawd if I hear this one more time my head is going to explode it think. In a capitalistic society you're paid what your worth. If you don't like it get different job which pays more or less depending on your intrests/modivations. But supply and demand dictates pay.

gawd if i hear this one more time my head is going to explode i think.
supply and demand dictates pay but not for union workers.

Pray do tell how supply and demand does'nt apply for Union workers. Even 150K a year undegreed longshormens pay is dictated by supply and demand. If it gets too high the company(s) will have no choice but to hire and train scab replacements. Just like if you ask your boss for too much he will have no choice but to fire you and hire a replacement. You are obviously unhappy and feel underpaid... please join a union or find another line of work, but bitching about does you no good.

And all these morons who think you little precious degree means something, like a union card of sorts to look down on others and a ticket to higher pay, you're sadly mistaken. Probably not your fault, you were sold this idea partially by your laziness to stay in school and live the charmed life, and partially by the advertising campain of HS and colleges. But you need to get used to the fact there are millions w/o degrees who will always make more than you. Grow up. It's what can you do for the company or society not what you got (potential/degree).

someone pointed it out how doesn't apply to unions.

anyways, you're right, degree's don't mean nothing by it self. certifications too. but degree's and certs CAN'T hurt you. you make it seem like every degree holding cert holder person is a yuppie that looks down at people without it. gimme a break. i think YOU are the one with issues. maybe mommie daddy couldn't afford a good college for jr, or maybe jr didn't do to well on his SAT's. after alot of backbreak work, jr is making decent wages. and its jr. that has issues with college graduates not the other way around.

to reply to another post, i dont believe cashier's are same as retail. retail you smile, bring customer in, say, "oh, that jacket looks real nice on you" blah blah... etc... cashier doesn't need these sort of retail skills, just swipe food across and say the total. maybe with a lil smile

Nice try but I have two degrees BS in Biochem and an MS in Materials Science paid for by scholarships and GI bill/vet disablity. Oh and I made more as a banquet server in college but you can be damn sure I never want slave like that again.

ahhh, we are all friends here eh zebo.
im thirsty. i think im gonna go buy something at albertons. hahahhahaha