just spoke with a picketing supermarket worker

[ivol07]

Originally posted by: Millennium

How am I going to post a link to back up the fact that I/ME think what he did was unethical? Oh wait. I BELIEVE IT'S UNETHICAL!. All I'm saying is I can see the conversation now. "I'll put XXX Softdrink's here where customers can see them better because they just delivered a case to my house". But I"m sure they were just giving you guys free trips to Disney World and cases of free food because your Dad was a Super Cool Guy.

And what are you talking about? Of course when an exec moves there are people waiting. I worked for UPS...a HUGE Corporation. I worked my way OUT of my Union job to become Management. And when UPS Stock went public there was a huge rush of execs retiring because they just came up on a lot of money. And guess who filled those positons?

So now you are presupposing that he gave beneficial product placement to a particular company? Do you even understand how the grocery business works? Do you understand why moving the product in a 50,000 sq ft floor is based on profits and agreements and not a comp? Secondly, when most people have an opinion they have something factual to back it up. I can see that you have never heard of actually giving supporting evidence to a damn thing you say.

"Of course when an exec moves there are people waiting. I worked for UPS...a HUGE Corporation. I worked my way OUT of my Union job to become Management. And when UPS Stock went public there was a huge rush of execs retiring because they just came up on a lot of money. And guess who filled those positons?"

I fail to see how that situation is comparable to one executive leaving(which is what the original idea was about). I will go ahead and bite though and say I have seen entire low level executive structures replaced by outsiders. There is no "waiting" list for an executive job. They are going to come to you and not the other way around. They pick you and promote you. You don't go from District Manager to the President of Store Operations. You go up the totem pole like everyone else and there is a pattern you follow. They don't skip you around and say "Hey! He has a college degree so he must be better than the guy with 20 years experience." Actually, your example further proves my point... UPS stayed with those that KNEW the business. They weren't out looking for a college grad from the local JUCO.

You can't honestly expect me to believe you are management or have a college degree. If you are that further highlights my point that tons of businesses today are engaging in the good ole boy system and not hiring the person with the most experience and skills.

OBVIOUSLY I don't know your dead fathers situation. All I was saying was that it sounded unethical to me for him to be accepting all these "Comps" from companies that are in competition in his store. I could see how it would be BENEFICIAL for the COMPANY to bribe your dad and treat him very nicely since he wields so much power within this store. I doubt you went to work every day with your father and double checked to make sure everything he did was on the level. I did'nt either. I was just stating how I read something that looked fishy. I don't see what trips to Disney World for someone's WHOLE FAMILY has to do with the Grocery Business. But maybe I'm missing the big picture.

Of course there is no formal waiting list for executive level positions. I never said there was. I'm thinking that we are agreeing here? You work hard, you get promoted. But I still stand by my point that this is not how it works with Unions. I have worked with more than one Union and have yet to see someone get a promotion in a Union job without having seniority. And if someone has been skipped who has seniority, I have yet to see them not complain to their Union Steward.

As for me. You know nothing about me. I do have a College Degree. I WAS Management at UPS. I quit because I had better opportunities elsewhere. Everything I have, I earned. And I have more than enough.

Your dead father aside and back to what this thread is about, I'll be crossing the picket lines in about 2 hours. I don't see these picketers getting ahead. There are more than enough people willing to take their jobs.

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: ivol07

Originally posted by: Millennium

How am I going to post a link to back up the fact that I/ME think what he did was unethical? Oh wait. I BELIEVE IT'S UNETHICAL!. All I'm saying is I can see the conversation now. "I'll put XXX Softdrink's here where customers can see them better because they just delivered a case to my house". But I"m sure they were just giving you guys free trips to Disney World and cases of free food because your Dad was a Super Cool Guy.

And what are you talking about? Of course when an exec moves there are people waiting. I worked for UPS...a HUGE Corporation. I worked my way OUT of my Union job to become Management. And when UPS Stock went public there was a huge rush of execs retiring because they just came up on a lot of money. And guess who filled those positons?

So now you are presupposing that he gave beneficial product placement to a particular company? Do you even understand how the grocery business works? Do you understand why moving the product in a 50,000 sq ft floor is based on profits and agreements and not a comp? Secondly, when most people have an opinion they have something factual to back it up. I can see that you have never heard of actually giving supporting evidence to a damn thing you say.

"Of course when an exec moves there are people waiting. I worked for UPS...a HUGE Corporation. I worked my way OUT of my Union job to become Management. And when UPS Stock went public there was a huge rush of execs retiring because they just came up on a lot of money. And guess who filled those positons?"

I fail to see how that situation is comparable to one executive leaving(which is what the original idea was about). I will go ahead and bite though and say I have seen entire low level executive structures replaced by outsiders. There is no "waiting" list for an executive job. They are going to come to you and not the other way around. They pick you and promote you. You don't go from District Manager to the President of Store Operations. You go up the totem pole like everyone else and there is a pattern you follow. They don't skip you around and say "Hey! He has a college degree so he must be better than the guy with 20 years experience." Actually, your example further proves my point... UPS stayed with those that KNEW the business. They weren't out looking for a college grad from the local JUCO.

You can't honestly expect me to believe you are management or have a college degree. If you are that further highlights my point that tons of businesses today are engaging in the good ole boy system and not hiring the person with the most experience and skills.

OBVIOUSLY I don't know your dead fathers situation. All I was saying was that it sounded unethical to me for him to be accepting all these "Comps" from companies that are in competition in his store. I could see how it would be BENEFICIAL for the COMPANY to bribe your dad and treat him very nicely since he wields so much power within this store. I doubt you went to work every day with your father and double checked to make sure everything he did was on the level. I did'nt either. I was just stating how I read something that looked fishy. I don't see what trips to Disney World for someone's WHOLE FAMILY has to do with the Grocery Business. But maybe I'm missing the big picture.

Of course there is no formal waiting list for executive level positions. I never said there was. I'm thinking that we are agreeing here? You work hard, you get promoted. But I still stand by my point that this is not how it works with Unions. I have worked with more than one Union and have yet to see someone get a promotion in a Union job without having seniority. And if someone has been skipped who has seniority, I have yet to see them not complain to their Union Steward.

As for me. You know nothing about me. I do have a College Degree. I WAS Management at UPS. I quit because I had better opportunities elsewhere. Everything I have, I earned. And I have more than enough.

Your dead father aside and back to what this thread is about, I'll be crossing the picket lines in about 2 hours. I don't see these picketers getting ahead. There are more than enough people willing to take their jobs.

And the unions have zero to do with what I was saying. Read my first post again carefully.

 

[rmrf]

Originally posted by: Millennium

Originally posted by: ivol07

Originally posted by: Millennium

How am I going to post a link to back up the fact that I/ME think what he did was unethical? Oh wait. I BELIEVE IT'S UNETHICAL!. All I'm saying is I can see the conversation now. "I'll put XXX Softdrink's here where customers can see them better because they just delivered a case to my house". But I"m sure they were just giving you guys free trips to Disney World and cases of free food because your Dad was a Super Cool Guy.

And what are you talking about? Of course when an exec moves there are people waiting. I worked for UPS...a HUGE Corporation. I worked my way OUT of my Union job to become Management. And when UPS Stock went public there was a huge rush of execs retiring because they just came up on a lot of money. And guess who filled those positons?

So now you are presupposing that he gave beneficial product placement to a particular company? Do you even understand how the grocery business works? Do you understand why moving the product in a 50,000 sq ft floor is based on profits and agreements and not a comp? Secondly, when most people have an opinion they have something factual to back it up. I can see that you have never heard of actually giving supporting evidence to a damn thing you say.

"Of course when an exec moves there are people waiting. I worked for UPS...a HUGE Corporation. I worked my way OUT of my Union job to become Management. And when UPS Stock went public there was a huge rush of execs retiring because they just came up on a lot of money. And guess who filled those positons?"

I fail to see how that situation is comparable to one executive leaving(which is what the original idea was about). I will go ahead and bite though and say I have seen entire low level executive structures replaced by outsiders. There is no "waiting" list for an executive job. They are going to come to you and not the other way around. They pick you and promote you. You don't go from District Manager to the President of Store Operations. You go up the totem pole like everyone else and there is a pattern you follow. They don't skip you around and say "Hey! He has a college degree so he must be better than the guy with 20 years experience." Actually, your example further proves my point... UPS stayed with those that KNEW the business. They weren't out looking for a college grad from the local JUCO.

You can't honestly expect me to believe you are management or have a college degree. If you are that further highlights my point that tons of businesses today are engaging in the good ole boy system and not hiring the person with the most experience and skills.

OBVIOUSLY I don't know your dead fathers situation. All I was saying was that it sounded unethical to me for him to be accepting all these "Comps" from companies that are in competition in his store. I could see how it would be BENEFICIAL for the COMPANY to bribe your dad and treat him very nicely since he wields so much power within this store. I doubt you went to work every day with your father and double checked to make sure everything he did was on the level. I did'nt either. I was just stating how I read something that looked fishy. I don't see what trips to Disney World for someone's WHOLE FAMILY has to do with the Grocery Business. But maybe I'm missing the big picture.

Of course there is no formal waiting list for executive level positions. I never said there was. I'm thinking that we are agreeing here? You work hard, you get promoted. But I still stand by my point that this is not how it works with Unions. I have worked with more than one Union and have yet to see someone get a promotion in a Union job without having seniority. And if someone has been skipped who has seniority, I have yet to see them not complain to their Union Steward.

As for me. You know nothing about me. I do have a College Degree. I WAS Management at UPS. I quit because I had better opportunities elsewhere. Everything I have, I earned. And I have more than enough.

Your dead father aside and back to what this thread is about, I'll be crossing the picket lines in about 2 hours. I don't see these picketers getting ahead. There are more than enough people willing to take their jobs.

And the unions have zero to do with what I was saying. Read my first post again carefully.

Your right, the unions do have nothing to do with your first post, which is why I am wondering why you are still posting sh!t in a thread that is 99% about unions. Please get a clue and stop fvcking up this thread because you think you know what you are talking about.

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: rmrf

Originally posted by: Millennium

Originally posted by: ivol07

Originally posted by: Millennium

How am I going to post a link to back up the fact that I/ME think what he did was unethical? Oh wait. I BELIEVE IT'S UNETHICAL!. All I'm saying is I can see the conversation now. "I'll put XXX Softdrink's here where customers can see them better because they just delivered a case to my house". But I"m sure they were just giving you guys free trips to Disney World and cases of free food because your Dad was a Super Cool Guy.

And what are you talking about? Of course when an exec moves there are people waiting. I worked for UPS...a HUGE Corporation. I worked my way OUT of my Union job to become Management. And when UPS Stock went public there was a huge rush of execs retiring because they just came up on a lot of money. And guess who filled those positons?

So now you are presupposing that he gave beneficial product placement to a particular company? Do you even understand how the grocery business works? Do you understand why moving the product in a 50,000 sq ft floor is based on profits and agreements and not a comp? Secondly, when most people have an opinion they have something factual to back it up. I can see that you have never heard of actually giving supporting evidence to a damn thing you say.

"Of course when an exec moves there are people waiting. I worked for UPS...a HUGE Corporation. I worked my way OUT of my Union job to become Management. And when UPS Stock went public there was a huge rush of execs retiring because they just came up on a lot of money. And guess who filled those positons?"

I fail to see how that situation is comparable to one executive leaving(which is what the original idea was about). I will go ahead and bite though and say I have seen entire low level executive structures replaced by outsiders. There is no "waiting" list for an executive job. They are going to come to you and not the other way around. They pick you and promote you. You don't go from District Manager to the President of Store Operations. You go up the totem pole like everyone else and there is a pattern you follow. They don't skip you around and say "Hey! He has a college degree so he must be better than the guy with 20 years experience." Actually, your example further proves my point... UPS stayed with those that KNEW the business. They weren't out looking for a college grad from the local JUCO.

You can't honestly expect me to believe you are management or have a college degree. If you are that further highlights my point that tons of businesses today are engaging in the good ole boy system and not hiring the person with the most experience and skills.

OBVIOUSLY I don't know your dead fathers situation. All I was saying was that it sounded unethical to me for him to be accepting all these "Comps" from companies that are in competition in his store. I could see how it would be BENEFICIAL for the COMPANY to bribe your dad and treat him very nicely since he wields so much power within this store. I doubt you went to work every day with your father and double checked to make sure everything he did was on the level. I did'nt either. I was just stating how I read something that looked fishy. I don't see what trips to Disney World for someone's WHOLE FAMILY has to do with the Grocery Business. But maybe I'm missing the big picture.

Of course there is no formal waiting list for executive level positions. I never said there was. I'm thinking that we are agreeing here? You work hard, you get promoted. But I still stand by my point that this is not how it works with Unions. I have worked with more than one Union and have yet to see someone get a promotion in a Union job without having seniority. And if someone has been skipped who has seniority, I have yet to see them not complain to their Union Steward.

As for me. You know nothing about me. I do have a College Degree. I WAS Management at UPS. I quit because I had better opportunities elsewhere. Everything I have, I earned. And I have more than enough.

Your dead father aside and back to what this thread is about, I'll be crossing the picket lines in about 2 hours. I don't see these picketers getting ahead. There are more than enough people willing to take their jobs.

And the unions have zero to do with what I was saying. Read my first post again carefully.

Your right, the unions do have nothing to do with your first post, which is why I am wondering why you are still posting sh!t in a thread that is 99% about unions. Please get a clue and stop fvcking up this thread because you think you know what you are talking about.

I do know what I am talking about. My question to you is when will you get a clue?