Just when you thought desktop PCs couldn't get slower. Along comes AMD...

[monstercameron]

" . . . . . the Lenovo H30 offers cutting-edge AMD processing power . . . and is as productive as it is entertaining".

HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

it is funny but think about it, $2999 system for google docs and youtube or $200 one...you decide!

 

[SPBHM]

it is funny but think about it, $2999 system for google docs and youtube or $200 one...you decide!

I think this $200 PC would be slow for regular stuff, like multiple tabs, facebook, websites full of ads and so on...

 

[Vesku]

Notebookcheck benchmarks puts it among the dual core Bay Trail Celerons which I also consider to be the current scourge of budget designs. Lenovo looking to make as much out of the extreme budget crowd as they can. Surprisingly they left in some useful features like usable PCIe and RAM slots. Perhaps this fits some industrial-esque business niche?

 

[Eug]

Well, at least it's faster than my Acer Revo R3610. That only has an Atom 330 at 1.6 GHz, with Passmark score of 606.

But then again, it's a very small "net top" computer, meant to be mounted on the backs of TVs or stuff like that, and it came out in 2009!

My main desktops are a Core i7-870 (Passmark 5500) and Athlon II X3 435 (Passmark 2500), both purchased about 5 years ago.

Personally I think if you're getting a desktop in 2015, even a very low budget one, it should have a bare minimum Passmark of around 2000, unless it's a tiny form factor machine like the one below.

well its a 10W Cpu.
I think they are trying to complete against a SOC based processor.

Its also to note a Intel J1800 is as well a 10W Cpu but its clock speed is 2.41ghz

I am thinking AMD is trying to build one of these guys that intel is currently messing with:

That isnt a Thumb drive folks... its a HDMI Baytrail TINY PC.

Passmark over 1000. Hey, that's actually pretty decent, given the form factor.

 

[aigomorla]

it is funny but think about it, $2999 system for google docs and youtube or $200 one...you decide!

how about i pick neither and go with the intel J1800 for the same price?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16883266593
It sports a 2.41ghz processor with turbo @ 2.58



I think everyone is raging because the AMD processor is such crap.
There wondering who in the right mind thought it was a good investment of resources to come out with something this pathetic.

Albet it is a 10W cpu, however again, so is the J1800.

The CPU being that poor of a performer should at least have a price advantage, but again, against the J1800 it has none.

Its like slap in the face to consumers who probably dont know any better.

 

[Vesku]

Why would you get either when there are still some Haswell Celeron mini PCs like this available:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-045-_-Product

Celeron 2957U, 2GB RAM, 64GB SSD, Windows 8.1 Bing Edition $199.99

Should handle quite a bit more internet tabs than dual core Beema or Bay Trail.

http://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-Celeron-2957U-Notebook-Processor.104913.0.html

 

[aigomorla]

Why would you get either when there are still some Haswell Celeron mini PCs like this available:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-045-_-Product

Celeron 2957U, 2GB RAM, 64GB SSD, Windows 8.1 Bing Edition $199.99

cuz the J1800 is in the same TDP class vs the 2957U, @ 10W vs 15W, if your into that thing which still keeps it in the same class as the AMD.
If you want to bring out higher TDP CPU's well then you should bring out the kabini

Also i was trying to keep within the same lenovo family.... of course anyone who posted could probably build a better PC DIY.

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[Essence_of_War]

Quoted post was edited, no longer relevant.

 

[Vesku]

I thought we were all bemoaning just how low OEMs will go in terms of performance in their budget models. From a usefulness and value for money perspective it's amazing these companies are apparently able to convince people to buy these models over ones like the ZBox I linked. Sales channels are an interesting beast.

 

[Maxima1]

Ssd and a light weight Linux distributions should solve any speed issues. Also it has uvd so hd videos aren't a problem.

So why would you buy it then? Anyone who buys this isn't going to be doing that.

 

[positivedoppler]

This is the perfect gift for somebody I do not like.

It is a horrible design. For the amount of empty space in that thing they should have made it into something that looks like this
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16883265838

 

[Enigmoid]

cuz the J1800 is in the same TDP class vs the 2957U, @ 10W vs 15W, if your into that thing which still keeps it in the same class as the AMD.
If you want to bring out higher TDP CPU's well then you should bring out the kabini

Also i was trying to keep within the same lenovo family.... of course anyone who posted could probably build a better PC DIY.

Edited/

The case is tremendously smaller.

12.13" x 4.13" x 15.71" vs. 7.40" x 7.40" x 1.73"

~780 in^3 vs. ~93 in^3

Long as it stays cool who cares about 10W vs. 15W. Your monitor is going to be using more power.

 

[aigomorla]

The case is tremendously smaller.

12.13" x 4.13" x 15.71" vs. 7.40" x 7.40" x 1.73"

~780 in^3 vs. ~93 in^3

Long as it stays cool who cares about 10W vs. 15W. Your monitor is going to be using more power.

i own a zbox.
I know how they run, hence i keep one as a media player on my main HDTV.

But some people are brand name sensitive.
The name Zotac doesn't register to them like lenovo does, which was formerly IBM.

 

[Eug]

I wonder if IBM would have ever considered selling such a low end chip in a slim desktop. Net top maybe, but it seems ludicrous for an otherwise respected brand like Lenovo to be selling this POS.

BTW, the Athlon II X3 435 I bought nearly 5 years ago is also a slim desktop. I paid under $400 at the time. I guess this machine is half the price, but still, it's 5 years later.

P.S. I had almost the same post in another thread. Also about a uber slow AMD desktop, but that one was an HP mid-tower.

 

[VirtualLarry]

but it seems ludicrous for an otherwise respected brand like Lenovo to be selling this POS.

Too many PC mfgs, in the race to the bottom, only care about their bottom-line profit, and not their brand image. Contrast that with how Apple operates.

Edit: I'm halfway surprised that Newegg isn't throwing these in for free when you buy a big Changhong TV.

 

[tential]

Why is AMD getting the blame here?

IMO both companies get blame but AMD needs to start doing more to protect it's brand image. It has ENOUGH branding issues as it is.
It's the low performer in the CPU world and products like this only enforce this.

Take VirtualLarry's experience with Kabini. Yes, I'll admit he used it for a task that it wasn't suited for, but now his perception of AMD products is tainted. He will have a lower perception of them than intel products.
This is similar to many consumers Windows vs Mac perception. Mac's generally avoid low end parts and thus when people buy a mac, they get a decent level of performance. People don't compare a $1000 mac to a $1000 Windows PC. They compared a $1000 Mac to the last Windows PC they had, most likely a cheap low quality build only designed to be relevant for 1-3 years and was still slow even then.

Ensuring your processor gets in the right products is crucial for AMD at this point. They need all the help they can get in promoting their brand correctly.

For Intel it doesn't really matter. If a user has a horrendous experience with a poor performing Windows Intel PC, they will usually move to a higher performing PC that will always have intel, or they'll buy a mac (where intel will be selling even more expensive Iris Pro Skus shortly I guess).
For AMD, ensuring the user has a baseline level of performance is crucial.

 

[gmaster456]

You know a computer is slow when VirtualLarry is complaining.

 

[2is]

It's a $200 PC, what do you expect? Your post reads like you don't have an option of a fast desktop anymore.

 

[Maxima1]

It's a $200 PC, what do you expect? Your post reads like you don't have an option of a fast desktop anymore.

That's a sale price. Otherwise it's >= $260.

http://www.walmart.com/ip/Lenovo-Bla...39875889#about

 

[Maximilian]

well its a 10W Cpu.
I think they are trying to complete against a SOC based processor.

Its also to note a Intel J1800 is as well a 10W Cpu but its clock speed is 2.41ghz

I am thinking AMD is trying to build one of these guys that intel is currently messing with:

That isnt a Thumb drive folks... its a HDMI Baytrail TINY PC.

That thing looks sweet :thumbsup:

 

[Abwx]

IMO both companies get blame but AMD needs to start doing more to protect it's brand image. It has ENOUGH branding issues as it is.
It's the low performer in the CPU world and products like this only enforce this.

There s clearly something that is wrong when we look Anand s AM1 review, the lowly clocked dual cores comsumption is noticeably lower than the quads and thoses latters are far from being 25W, there s really no point in selling 2C APUs whose real TDP doesnt even exhaust Beema s 15W, thoses 2C could be clocked at 1.8-2.0 and would still consume less than an Athlon 5350, AMD is depreciating their production potential and negociable price with such sloppy binning methods.

 

[Techhog]

There s clearly something that is wrong when we look Anand s AM1 review, the lowly clocked dual cores comsumption is noticeably lower than the quads and thoses latters are far from being 25W, there s really no point in selling 2C APUs whose real TDP doesnt even exhaust Beema s 15W, thoses 2C could be clocked at 1.8-2.0 and would still consume less than an Athlon 5350, AMD is depreciating their production potential and negociable price with such sloppy binning methods.

I'm sorry, but the use of spaces in place of apostrophes really bugs me in this post. Just, why?

 

[Blitzvogel]

It's just a cheap product trying to serve a very cheap level of computing. You're right though, people will not be expecting such bad performance. However, it's still entirely useful given you don't load it up too much.

 

[Ramses]

race to the bottom, as was said.
re: the rep or company name, the people that own and use or buy these by and large will be doing well to remember the name printed on the case, let alone who made the guts, even if there is a sticker on it. You know who they will remember and talk shit about?
Microsoft. Who's suuuper sloooooow tearable windows 8 ruined the amazing $200 PC...
Goofy, all of it. I have no idea other than checking a box off on a sales quota or something why anyone would bother building/selling. Is there an up-scale model and this is a cheepie just to pull the real broke-asses in maybe? Or a quota of Win8 licenses to ship? Who the hell knows.
I do know if they don't sell, they will not keep making them. And I've seen small, crappy, cheap computers FS like this for as long as I can
remember being aware of the innards of a PC. That tells me some poor souls are buying them.

 

[hungtran]

how much is newegg, lenovo, and amd making off of these at $199 with free shipping? my guess is $30, $15, and $8.