Justice League

[zinfamous]

Justice League movie w/o Sups or a Green Lantern.

Last Jedi = Episode V reboot (just like Force Awakens was an over the top Ep IV reboot with a Super Deathstar that worked on the 1st try).
Waiting to see what warm animal Rey gets stuffed into

Thor: Ragnarok as a comedy does interest me. I completely skipped the last sequel Thor: Dark something or another

Even odds that one of the 6-12 plots forced through in Justice League will be about resurrecting Superman.

 

[dainthomas]

Justice League movie w/o Sups or a Green Lantern.

Last Jedi = Episode V reboot (just like Force Awakens was an over the top Ep IV reboot with a Super Deathstar that worked on the 1st try).
Waiting to see what warm animal Rey gets stuffed into

Thor: Ragnarok as a comedy does interest me. I completely skipped the last sequel Thor: Dark something or another

I enjoyed Thor Dark World, mostly because I'm a fan of Chris Eccleston. The plot was a bit of a mess, admittedly.

 

[Aikouka]

I enjoyed Thor Dark World, mostly because I'm a fan of Chris Eccleston. The plot was a bit of a mess, admittedly.

I like Eccleston as well, but that's what made me more disappointed by Thor 2. His role was just so bland in the movie, and he wasn't all that menacing.

 

[JEDI]

wow.. Lisa Bonet from the Cosby show is married to AquaMan/Khal Drogo?!

 

[KMFJD]

Saw the trailer for this during MNF football, i'm not predicting great things

 

[lupi]

Hard to fully read the current reviews to see how the movie will be. In general seems that people like it and think its DC again moving in the correct direction. Liking all the JL characters, but not real fond of the current opponent or his plot. Although that is also something you've been hearing lately on the marvel side.

 

[Aikouka]

I went to see the movie last night, and it was alright. While watching the movie, it's readily apparent that the movie had a bit of a storied production cycle. For the uninitiated, Zack Snyder's daughter committed suicide during production, and he ended up stepping down as director. WB got Joss Whedon to finish the movie in his place. From what I heard, the movie used to be quite a bit longer at around 2:45, but there was apparently a huge push to get it under 2 hours... and it is barely less than two hours.

Probably what stood out the most in the movie was the CGI. I don't know if they had scheduling conflicts with Henry Cavill (Superman's actor), but he was CG'd in quite a few scenes even outside of fight scenes. Although, the fight scenes stood out a bit, because Wonder Woman also has a decent amount of movement in her fights, and the CG doesn't stand out nearly as much.

If I had to say what was my least favorite part, it was probably The Flash. I got into The Flash back with the original TV show starring ol' John Wesley Shipp. It seems like DC took the complaints to hear that Marvel movies are funnier, and they decided to make Justice League a bit more light-hearted. Well, the problem is that none of the heroes in the movie are known jokesters. Heck, the only hero that I can think of that would really fill that role would be pre-Specter Hal Jordan, and I don't know if they want to touch Green Lantern again just yet. (It's not really a spoiler, but the Green Lantern Corps is seen in a flashback... so DC hasn't forgotten about them.) Anyway, The Flash was pretty much turned into Spider-Man with the sort of goofy, quippy attitude, which really isn't the way Barry Allen acts in the comics. Maybe it bugged me because it felt like The Flash and Aquaman were fighting for the least useful hero throughout the movie.

 

[Ns1]

I saw it yesterday, it exceeded my low expectations.

Responding to the comment above, I'm more or less on the same page - I felt like the movie was one that was started by Zack Snyder and finished by Joss Whedon, and The Flash made me feel that way. I mean Whedon does have screenplay credit, so this shouldn't be so surprising. FWIW Flash was one of my favorites this movie.

Probably what stood out the most in the movie was the CGI.

Dear god yes, I thought the whole movie was shot in front of a green screen.

I don't know if they had scheduling conflicts with Henry Cavill (Superman's actor), but he was CG'd in quite a few scenes even outside of fight scenes.

Yes they had scheduling conflicts during the reshoots - Cavill was booked for Mission Impossible which required him to have a mustache, and Paramount wouldn't let him shave it off. So they had to CG it all.

 

[KIAman]

^ I think they tried to merge Barry's Flash (the guy in the movie) with Wally's Flash (the funny and cocky jokester). Most people who don't follow the comics don't know all the different Flash there were.

I saw the movie at a private screening on Wednesday. I agree, the CGI is just too much or just not good quality, just like how I felt about Thor Ragnarok. Because there weren't an Aquaman, Cyborg, or Flash movie, they had to dedicate screen time to properly introduce each of these heros and it felt VERY rushed, emtpy, and still left a lot of questions (I watched the movie with people who don't follow the comics). This might have been the 45 minutes that were cut from the movie. Batman, Superman and Wonder Woman are familiar if you've seen their movies so don't need much intro.

My biggest gripe is the main antagonist. And this is a recurring issue with comic hero movies, lately so not unique to this movie but I never felt like anybody was in real danger. This "world ending invasion" didn't seem so world ending. This "invulnerable godly bad guy" doesn't seem so invulnerable or godly. The scale of danger was just so small. I'm being jaded more and more against these types of movies it seems.

I actually found The Flash as the most interesting character in the movie, his awkwardness and social ineptitude was almost endearing. Superman was boring. Batman was boring. Wonder Woman was boring but at least she was hot. Aquaman was irritating. Cyborg was boring.

Overall, I like the movie more than Thor Ragnarok but only barely.

 

[AznAnarchy99]

DC world building is pretty crap. Imagine if we had an Aquaman movie before that teased the motherbox. I forgot but did Wonder Woman have the motherbox tease? I really didn't care for any of the characters besides Wonder Woman. If they all had their own movie to build up the character this could have been done right. CGI was ridiculous. Everything looked super green screened and was like they didn't have time to put in the textures. And I swear all I was thinking of when Superman was still out of his mind holding up Batman was "MARTHAA".

Anyways. I didn't expect much from this movie. It wasn't bad per Suicide Squad but it wasn't good either. I'd say its mediocre but okay just to see everyone on screen.

 

[zerocool84]

I haven't seen it yet but the biggest problem they have other than the movies not being great is that they rushed into a superhero mashup movie too soon without building any of the characters prior. They rushed the "Avengers" movie. That's why it's hard to care about the characters.

 

[zerocool84]

The way they played Superman in this, it made basically the rest of the Justice League worthless without him.

 

[AznAnarchy99]

I haven't seen it yet but the biggest problem they have other than the movies not being great is that they rushed into a superhero mashup movie too soon without building any of the characters prior. They rushed the "Avengers" movie. That's why it's hard to care about the characters.

How'd they rush Avengers? Everyone had 1-2 movies under their belt and it was highly regarded.

 

[shortylickens]

Watched RedLetterMedia. Got everything I need. Wont have to waste time on the movie.

 

[Bird222]

Probably what stood out the most in the movie was the CGI. I don't know if they had scheduling conflicts with Henry Cavill (Superman's actor), but he was CG'd in quite a few scenes even outside of fight scenes. Although, the fight scenes stood out a bit, because Wonder Woman also has a decent amount of movement in her fights, and the CG doesn't stand out nearly as much.

I saw it yesterday, it exceeded my low expectations.

Responding to the comment above, I'm more or less on the same page - I felt like the movie was one that was started by Zack Snyder and finished by Joss Whedon, and The Flash made me feel that way. I mean Whedon does have screenplay credit, so this shouldn't be so surprising. FWIW Flash was one of my favorites this movie.



Dear god yes, I thought the whole movie was shot in front of a green screen.



Yes they had scheduling conflicts during the reshoots - Cavill was booked for Mission Impossible which required him to have a mustache, and Paramount wouldn't let him shave it off. So they had to CG it all.

How do you guys seem to sport CGI so easily?

 

[Aikouka]

Watched RedLetterMedia. Got everything I need. Wont have to waste time on the movie.

But Mike said to go see it.

How do you guys seem to sport CGI so easily?

Honestly, I'd be surprised if you watched the movie and didn't notice Superman's awkward upper-lip CGI. Something will likely just seem very off about him.

 

[dainthomas]

The way they played Superman in this, it made basically the rest of the Justice League worthless without him.

Well they needed Batman to take the shield down and Cyborg to figure out how to pull the boxes apart. They definitely needed him for added muscle as I don't think WW and Aquaman could have taken the baddie out. I think the intros of Flash and Cyborg could have been expanded, although maybe these were cut and will be shown in an extended edition.

I thought the after credit scene with Deathstroke was cool.

 

[zerocool84]

How'd they rush Avengers? Everyone had 1-2 movies under their belt and it was highly regarded.

I mean this Justice League movie as their avengers movie. They didn't properly set up the characters before this movie.

 

[zerocool84]

Well they needed Batman to take the shield down and Cyborg to figure out how to pull the boxes apart. They definitely needed him for added muscle as I don't think WW and Aquaman could have taken the baddie out. I think the intros of Flash and Cyborg could have been expanded, although maybe these were cut and will be shown in an extended edition.

I thought the after credit scene with Deathstroke was cool.

Deathstroke was cool. I wasn't expecting him.

I heard people in the theater say Deadpool and I laughed.

 

[AznAnarchy99]

I mean this Justice League movie as their avengers movie. They didn't properly set up the characters before this movie.

Oh yeah. Completely agree.

 

[AznAnarchy99]

The worst opening for a superhero movie in the modern area with all things considered.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/markhu...-turns-into-box-office-disaster/#2bf618ff2b60

 

[Skel]

^ I think they tried to merge Barry's Flash (the guy in the movie) with Wally's Flash (the funny and cocky jokester). Most people who don't follow the comics don't know all the different Flash there were.

I saw the movie at a private screening on Wednesday. I agree, the CGI is just too much or just not good quality, just like how I felt about Thor Ragnarok. Because there weren't an Aquaman, Cyborg, or Flash movie, they had to dedicate screen time to properly introduce each of these heros and it felt VERY rushed, emtpy, and still left a lot of questions (I watched the movie with people who don't follow the comics). This might have been the 45 minutes that were cut from the movie. Batman, Superman and Wonder Woman are familiar if you've seen their movies so don't need much intro.

My biggest gripe is the main antagonist. And this is a recurring issue with comic hero movies, lately so not unique to this movie but I never felt like anybody was in real danger. This "world ending invasion" didn't seem so world ending. This "invulnerable godly bad guy" doesn't seem so invulnerable or godly. The scale of danger was just so small. I'm being jaded more and more against these types of movies it seems.

I actually found The Flash as the most interesting character in the movie, his awkwardness and social ineptitude was almost endearing. Superman was boring. Batman was boring. Wonder Woman was boring but at least she was hot. Aquaman was irritating. Cyborg was boring.

Overall, I like the movie more than Thor Ragnarok but only barely.

The downside to all these Superhero movies is you get the world saved from the uber bad guy almost weekly now. It's causing everyone to start getting jaded towards them..I've been saying for a while now if Marvel really wanted to Thanos to have a massive impact they should have shown him destroying things (including things seeded in the movie as indestructible) rather than the little clips of him sitting in a chair smiling. If you're already seeding him so far out, seed him right by showing he's something to be feared rather than everyone saying it.

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

I found this jacket. https://www.fanjackets.com/product/the-flash-justice-league-jacket/
any reviews on it guys..

If you're not going to a theme party, that looks pretty silly.

 

[mikeymikec]

The downside to all these Superhero movies is you get the world saved from the uber bad guy almost weekly now. It's causing everyone to start getting jaded towards them..I've been saying for a while now if Marvel really wanted to Thanos to have a massive impact they should have shown him destroying things (including things seeded in the movie as indestructible) rather than the little clips of him sitting in a chair smiling. If you're already seeding him so far out, seed him right by showing he's something to be feared rather than everyone saying it.

There are multiple problems with the superhero film genre:

1 - The more superhuman the characters are, the more grandiose the plots and action has to become, and therefore they become further removed from reality; actors aren't participating in the action or their stunt doubles. Why is a "live action movie" still considered the appropriate way to produce such films? If for example they animated it, a fight scene can be shown in one believable 'shot' and there's far more experience in making believable physics than there is in CG physics: Every time a "live action" character jumps just a little too high or part of their jump occurs too quickly, it's obvious that they've moved into using CG.

2 - There is far too much financial investment to kill major characters off, even when we've got reboots going every ten years.

3 - as you said, the plots, character development and dialogue are fucking boring. The only thing Hollywood has had a good crack at are origin plots, and that's mainly because they're concentrating on one character at a time who goes through some massive changes in their life. After that, either their grasp of the source material is really weak, or the source material is (which wouldn't surprise me as a comic book format does not lend itself well to subtlety or heavy descriptions), or we come back to point 2 again because the producers don't want to leave a "goody" character in an ugly situation at the end of a film, like say Tony Stark's alcoholism. All we're getting are plots wrapped up in neat little packages with a "cliffhanger" at the end of each movie for the next self-contained plot that has little bearing on its predecessors.

4 - Where's the quality dialogue? For example, Bond meeting Vesper for the first time in the 'Casino Royale' movie, or say that scene where Clark Kent meets Bruce Wayne in DOJ being the only positive memory I have from that film, I had literally forgotten that Superman "died" at the end. IMO, get Quentin Tarantino on the job of writing some scripts.

 

[Ancalagon44]

The problem with the DC movies is that the Marvel movies are just really, really good. In a universe where the Marvel movies did not exist, the DC movies would be a lot better received. The problem is that everyone compares the DC movies to the Marvel movies, and the problem with that is that Marvel just has some really, really talented people. It makes the DC movies look worse than they really are.

I'm one of those who thought that Batman v Superman was not nearly as bad as people thought. I really don't understand the hate. The Ultimate Edition does make it a much better movie though, they should have released that cut instead. I do think critics are overly harsh towards it, and that makes fans overly harsh towards it too. I actually think Ben Affleck is a better Batman than Christian Bale. Ben Affleck is a lot more believable for me - what you would expect Batman to become after fighting crime for 30 years. Bitter and disillusioned.

Anyway, I actually thought BVS was better than Justice League. Not that Justice League was bad, just not as good. I'd rate it maybe a 6.5 out of 10.

Batman - cool. Aquaman - cool but not developed enough. Flash - should have had his own movie before this and should have been less of a newbie. Superman - good but as others have said, he makes the rest of the Justice League pointless. He is so ridiculously overpowered that the final battle becomes a joke. Superman even gets time for a quip! Wonder woman - good and you might say she is the glue of the movie in some senses. Alfred - good as usual, great choice of actor.

Marvel's success has unfortunately led DC to try copy them in some ways, notably the humour which feels a little forced and how quickly they rushed Justice League into production.