Justin Bieber In Trouble.

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Wreckem

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No. See my previous post. He was under the influence of more than just alcohol.

The punishment is still the same.

In fact Florida is fairly lenient on first time DUI for adults not just minors. Shit doesn't get real in Florida until your 3rd DUI.

First time offense for either(adults or minors, under the influence of drugs, alcohol or both) is up to $1000 fine and up to 6 months in jail, which makes it a misdemeanor either way.
 
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WelshBloke

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While I agree that he's a little tit, the crap he's pulled pales into insignificance compared to any well know 70's rock star. When did we get so prissy about musicians behaviour?

It does have to be said that his talent pales into insignificance compared to any well known 70's rock star as well but that's a different issue.
 

zinfamous

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While I agree that he's a little tit, the crap he's pulled pales into insignificance compared to any well know 70's rock star. When did we get so prissy about musicians behaviour?

It does have to be said that his talent pales into insignificance compared to any well known 70's rock star as well but that's a different issue.

no 24 hour news cycle in the 70s and certainly no internet media.

That is really all that matters.
 

WelshBloke

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no 24 hour news cycle in the 70s and certainly no internet media.

That is really all that matters.

I suppose. I'm just surprised that people here that can remember the 70s/80s are offended by him driving too fast/throwing eggs at someones house rather than him being a no talent little oik.
 

rudeguy

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I suppose. I'm just surprised that people here that can remember the 70s/80s are offended by him driving too fast/throwing eggs at someones house rather than him being a no talent little oik.

We are offended by his existance, not his actions.
 

JulesMaximus

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While I agree that he's a little tit, the crap he's pulled pales into insignificance compared to any well know 70's rock star. When did we get so prissy about musicians behaviour?

It does have to be said that his talent pales into insignificance compared to any well known 70's rock star as well but that's a different issue.

Well, if you threw a TV out the window of your hotel room in the 70s it might make the local papers or news but probably wouldn't get picked up on the national level for days if at all. Now if you piss in a janitors bucket it goes viral around the world within minutes.
 

WelshBloke

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Well, if you threw a TV out the window of your hotel room in the 70s it might make the local papers or news but probably wouldn't get picked up on the national level for days if at all. Now if you piss in a janitors bucket it goes viral around the world within minutes.

Its not so much the reporting its the public outrage that an idiot did something idiotic.

When did we start expecting our rock stars (and the use of that term in this instance is causing real, physical pain) to be role models or upstanding citizens?

Seems they just have to do so little as to smoke a joint and the world is ending and abject apologies have to be made.
 

tcsenter

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While I agree that he's a little tit, the crap he's pulled pales into insignificance compared to any well know 70's rock star. When did we get so prissy about musicians behaviour?
We've gotten pissy about any misbehavior compared to the 70s. e.g. DUI was commonly a ticket, not a crime against the state costing thousands of dollars and requiring an attorney. Making homemade cherry bombs or fireworks was at most a misdemeanor, not a felony terrorism "destructive device" charge. et. al. x 1000
 

Wreckem

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We've gotten pissy about any misbehavior compared to the 70s. e.g. DUI was commonly a ticket, not a crime against the state costing thousands of dollars and requiring an attorney. Making homemade cherry bombs or fireworks was at most a misdemeanor, not a felony terrorism "destructive device" charge. et. al. x 1000

Up until Nancy Reagan and MADD many states did not have open container laws and you could literally drink while driving with little consequence.

And even as far as we have come in punishing drinking and driving, you can still kill some while DUI and not serve jail time.
 

CZroe

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Can a mod please change the spelling in the title? OP clearly misspelled "twubble" and it's really grating my nerves.

Doesn't mean he can get high on lean / sizzurp /pot and drive around.

It was anti-anxiety meds. No one said he was high. Jeeze! He failed the sobriety test because he is 19 and buzzed and they are designed to fail anyone.
 
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AznAnarchy99

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Up until Nancy Reagan and MADD many states did not have open container laws and you could literally drink while driving with little consequence.

And even as far as we have come in punishing drinking and driving, you can still kill some while DUI and not serve jail time.

Watching Mad Men and the drunk driving scene tripped me out. Don flipped his car and the cop put took him in to sleep it off and let him go.
 

OCGuy

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When did we get so prissy about musicians behaviour?

It's not solely that he is a "musician" really. I think there are a few things working against him:

Most people old enough to have an intelligent conversation on the internet are not going to like his product.

If you don't like his product, you naturally do not feel he deserves to be rich and famous.

It is fairly common for people to be annoyed by someone who is more successful than they are, especially if said person is younger. That annoyance can rapidly turn to dislike if the successful person is perceived as not deserving the success/fame/wealth/etc.

This can be seen by people's attitude towards someone in their company who was "given" a position because of their last name/relationship with the boss. Or an injured athlete who is still collecting millions on the bench, etc.

That dislike can easily turn to "hate" when that person not only doesn't deserve what they have, but they do not "appreciate" what they have in the eyes of the hater. That perception is what causes such schadenfreude as their downfall is witnessed. (Arrests, squandering a fortune in a short period, overdose, etc.) The onlooker most likely feels like they would have made much better choices with the money and fame.

To get to the level of hate that the Beibz has, you need one more ingredient: over-exposure. Others who have achieved this triple-crown of crowd-hate include Paris Hilton and the Kardashians.

He could save a pack of baby seals and puppies from a burning building, and 90% of the comments on the article would be negative. The other 10% would be someone telling everyone that their aunt made $5405 in one week at this new home business opportunity.

Does he deserve it? Who knows, he does seem like a major douche.
 

Fritzo

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It's not solely that he is a "musician" really. I think there are a few things working against him:

Most people old enough to have an intelligent conversation on the internet are not going to like his product.

If you don't like his product, you naturally do not feel he deserves to be rich and famous.

It is fairly common for people to be annoyed by someone who is more successful than they are, especially if said person is younger. That annoyance can rapidly turn to dislike if the successful person is perceived as not deserving the success/fame/wealth/etc.

This can be seen by people's attitude towards someone in their company who was "given" a position because of their last name/relationship with the boss. Or an injured athlete who is still collecting millions on the bench, etc.

That dislike can easily turn to "hate" when that person not only doesn't deserve what they have, but they do not "appreciate" what they have in the eyes of the hater. That perception is what causes such schadenfreude as their downfall is witnessed. (Arrests, squandering a fortune in a short period, overdose, etc.) The onlooker most likely feels like they would have made much better choices with the money and fame.

To get to the level of hate that the Beibz has, you need one more ingredient: over-exposure. Others who have achieved this triple-crown of crowd-hate include Paris Hilton and the Kardashians.

He could save a pack of baby seals and puppies from a burning building, and 90% of the comments on the article would be negative. The other 10% would be someone telling everyone that their aunt made $5405 in one week at this new home business opportunity.

Does he deserve it? Who knows, he does seem like a major douche.

The kid has some talent and worked hard to get rich...that's great! What is pissing the world off is he's reached a tipping point and surrounded himself with enablers, resulting in him pissing away his money and just becoming an all around terrible person.

THAT'S the problem we have with him.
 

Ichinisan

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Can a mod please change the spelling in the title? OP clearly misspelled "twubble" and it's really grating my nerves.



It was anti-anxiety meds. No one said he was high. Jeeze! He failed the sobriety test because he is 19 and buzzed and they are designed to fail anyone.

Field sobriety tests like "say your ABCs backward" or "stand on one foot with an arm outstretched and one finger on your nose" are designed to fail, but that doesn't yield a BAC rating.

Anyway, law enforcement raided his mansion just before this and found shit loads of drugs including pot and evidence of his affinity for lean / sizzurp. There's no reason to believe alcohol was the only thing in his system, especially if you read the OP's link.

Xanax is the only one he admitted to. Do you think he would list all the illegal drugs he had taken?
 
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jlee

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It was anti-anxiety meds. No one said he was high. Jeeze! He failed the sobriety test because he is 19 and buzzed and they are designed to fail anyone.

I've had plenty of people pass. Smoking pot doesn't help you pass, though.
 

clamum

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We've gotten pissy about any misbehavior compared to the 70s. e.g. DUI was commonly a ticket, not a crime against the state costing thousands of dollars and requiring an attorney. Making homemade cherry bombs or fireworks was at most a misdemeanor, not a felony terrorism "destructive device" charge. et. al. x 1000
I think it's due to the Internet giving anyone in the world a voice. If there was an Internet in the 70s, just like today's Internet, I think you'd find people would be just as pissy. There just wasn't an outlet back then like there is now.

Kinda dumb to be so pissy though, like they never do anything wrong. Seems a bit hypocritical to me.
 

Wreckem

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Hopefully he gets at least 90 days jail time.

I know its another state, but former Cowboys Josh Brent got 180 days jail(+10 years probation), FOR INTOXICATED MANSLAUGHTER. Yeah Bieber, isn't serving any jail time other than the time he has already spent. He will be doing community service and possibly rehab in lieu of any jail time.
 
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