Justin Trudeau wore.... Brown face!

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Hayabusa Rider

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Do you have a picture of Trump in Black Face?
Besides this has nothing to do with Trump. I know you are fixated on him, but try and stay on topic.

I watched the little rascals and had an O'Tay t-shirt. I have always thought that wearing blackface when young just looked dumb and never had a cow if a Republican did it either.

But since we're comparing Trump and Trudeau I submit this as being more relevant.



Even with DNA exoneration he still considers the five guilty.



So I have no pic of Trump in blackface. Do you have Trudeau doing the above?
 
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There are different rules, but the rules are strict for those on the left and there are no rules for those on the right. What you perceive to be the difference is actually the difference in how the subject of the scandal responds. Notice he immediately admits it was wrong to do and gives a sincere apology. That is all people are asking for in a situation like this, and I expect most people to move on and forget it now. Someone on the right would instead whine about how it was a different time and how they are the real victim and that just pisses people off more.

Okay but you do have to admit these rules are getting insane right? 10-20 years ago George Carlin was warning people left and right about the implications of going politically correct - and how it continues to evolve year after year after year. He did a great piece on how we evolved to PTSD from many other politically correct terms prior. Do you not understand the implications that you bring with the further batshit crazy you go? Especially with the internet and being able to dig up people's past. How is one to know what the politically correct terms are 5, 10, 15, or 20 years down the line?

Seriously - What the fuck is wrong with painting yourself as a costume? What is the big offense here? Is it cultural appropriation that people are butt-hurt over? Or is it simply "white people can't appreciate something about a different race"? Is this baby an evil human being for cultural appropriation?




The end result has just gotten to pure insanity, do you remember this one from not that long ago of a fucking 2ND GRADER. Dressing as MARTIN LUTHER to CELEBRATE him?

A Colorado Springs second-grader at Meridian Ranch Elementary school found himself in hot water Wednesday when he was pulled out of class for dressing like Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. while also wearing black face paint.

KRDO first reported that Sean King dressed up as MLK, Jr. for a school project. The boy’s mother told KRDO that it was “wax museum day” for the second grade class and that each child was assigned a historical figure to dress up as.

King showed up for school on Wednesday doing a Martin Luther King impersonation, wearing a black suit, tie, mustache and black face paint — his parents were with him, as were all the students’ parents, to watch the day’s presentation. But before things could get started, the school’s principal told the second-grader that he needed to wash his face, according to KWGN, leaving Sean confused.

“They thought it was inappropriate and it will be disrespectful to black people and I say it’s not,” young Sean said to KRDO. “I like black people. It’s just a costume and I don’t want to insult anybody.”

Stephanie Meredith, a spokesperson for the school’s principal, said that it wasn’t just the school’s staff that was offended by Sean’s face paint, it was other students as well. So the principal took action, 7News reports. The NAACP has also come out in support of of the principal’s actions.

 

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Okay but you do have to admit these rules are getting insane right? 10-20 years ago George Carlin was warning people left and right about the implications of going politically correct - and how it continues to evolve year after year after year. He did a great piece on how we evolved to PTSD from many other politically correct terms prior. Do you not understand the implications that you bring with the further batshit crazy you go? Especially with the internet and being able to dig up people's past. How is one to know what the politically correct terms are 5, 10, 15, or 20 years down the line?

Seriously - What the fuck is wrong with painting yourself as a costume? What is the big offense here? Is it cultural appropriation that people are butt-hurt over? Or is it simply "white people can't appreciate something about a different race"? Is this baby an evil human being for cultural appropriation?




The end result has just gotten to pure insanity, do you remember this one from not that long ago of a fucking 2ND GRADER. Dressing as MARTIN LUTHER to CELEBRATE him?



I am not a fan of the "cultural appropriation" movement. I think it is misguided but maybe I only think that because it hasn't been explained to me in a way that makes sense. For right now, it seems to me like an actual example reverse racism honestly. White people aren't allowed to get cornrows? Maybe someone can explain why that makes sense, other than that it looks ridiculous IMO.
 

Starbuck1975

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I would draw a distinction dressing as a known accepted fictional character as opposed to dressing up in a fashion that belittles people of color, aka ghetto parties.

Years ago I dressed up as a mime. My face was painted white but was not "whiteface"

Context folks. Why is that such a difficult concept??
Technically, you don’t get to make that determination. Maybe Persians find the whole notion of Aladdin offensive, but they lack the numbers and therefore political muscle to make this an issue.
 

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Costume Party. That's when people dress up as other people or things. He dressed up as someone with dark skin, yadda yadda ya, "He should resign!".

I get that, but he could have been as identifiably Arab/Indian/Alladin by just wearing the outfit... I mean what would possess someone in 2001 (again, not like we were in the age of people don't know better) to change the color of their skin for a dress-up party?

Again, I get the costume, I understand face paint if you want to make yourself look like a fictitious sci-fi or fantasy character, I don't get putting on makeup to make yourself look like a difference ethnicity. Seems like some serious dedication to the craft.

And to be perfectly clear, I think Trudeau is definitely a better option in a lot of respects than some other Pol that would have regressive social and political views, it just seems weird that this entire class of people has such a high percentage of seriously dedicated costumers.
 
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I get that, but he could have been as identifiably Arab/Indian/Alladin by just wearing the outfit... I mean what would possess someone in 2001 (again, not like we were in the age of people don't know better) to change the color of their skin for a dress-up party?

Again, I get the costume, I understand face paint if you want to make yourself look like a fictitious sci-fi or fantasy character, I don't get putting on makeup to make yourself look like a difference ethnicity. Seems like some serious dedication to the craft.

And to be perfectly clear, I think Trudeau is definitely a better option in a lot of respects than some other Pol that would have regressive social and political views, it just seems weird that this entire class of people has such a high percentage of seriously dedicated costumers.

If a mask is okay (which comes with a ton of costumes) then whats wrong with making the mask - just like making the costume ?

Also in 2001 (I'm not sure if you realize this) - but that was.... *gasp*... 18 years ago. That was right around when I was in high-school - and I never heard shit about people being butt-hurt over costumes or painting your face (even in college as well). This is a recent phenomenon - regardless of what you want to perceive.
 

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I get that, but he could have been as identifiably Arab/Indian/Alladin by just wearing the outfit... I mean what would possess someone in 2001 (again, not like we were in the age of people don't know better) to change the color of their skin for a dress-up party?

Again, I get the costume, I understand face paint if you want to make yourself look like a fictitious sci-fi or fantasy character, I don't get putting on makeup to make yourself look like a difference ethnicity. Seems like some serious dedication to the craft.

And to be perfectly clear, I think Trudeau is definitely a better option in a lot of respects than some other Pol that would have regressive social and political views, it just seems weird that this entire class of people has such a high percentage of seriously dedicated costumers.
I'm sure a lot of body-painters think our dedication to custom building PCs is pretty weird.
 
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I get that, but he could have been as identifiably Arab/Indian/Alladin by just wearing the outfit... I mean what would possess someone in 2001 (again, not like we were in the age of people don't know better) to change the color of their skin for a dress-up party?

Again, I get the costume, I understand face paint if you want to make yourself look like a fictitious sci-fi or fantasy character, I don't get putting on makeup to make yourself look like a difference ethnicity. Seems like some serious dedication to the craft.

And to be perfectly clear, I think Trudeau is definitely a better option in a lot of respects than some other Pol that would have regressive social and political views, it just seems weird that this entire class of people has such a high percentage of seriously dedicated costumers.


I'm less forgiving than some. I just don't see how you could apply that kind of boot-polish makeup and not think "what am I doing? This is going to offend people, because it's been used as racist mockery for a long time". Surely you'd either have to be actively racist or just really, really out-of-touch and part of some all-white upper-class 'ghetto'? Seems even more the case if he had at that time ambitions to go into politics.

As an aside, that he was a teacher at some elite private school also fits with my generally negative view of the guy. He would be, wouldn't he? Damn, there are certain kinds of liberals that make _me_ feel resentful about 'elite liberalism'. There are occasions when it doesn't seem so surprising that the world is full of mad Brexiters and MAGA hat wearers.

Of course I'm white, but I know most non-white people I know, including family, and have known would look askance at that, at the very least.
 

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If a mask is okay (which comes with a ton of costumes) then whats wrong with making the mask - just like making the costume ?

Also in 2001 (I'm not sure if you realize this) - but that was.... *gasp*... 18 years ago. That was right around when I was in high-school - and I never heard shit about people being butt-hurt over costumes or painting your face (even in college as well). This is a recent phenomenon - regardless of what you want to perceive.


Well this is clearly an age thing. To me 2001 feels like 'a week ago last Thursday'. That's no time at all. Blackface was being roundly condemned in the late 1970s (which is why so many people I knew hated the 'black and white minstrel show' and is why the BBC finally took it off the air, probably decades too late). In fact, what seems to have happened was some people forgot how offensive it was and there was some half-arsed attempt to make it acceptable again around the early 2000s (by what I suppose would now be called 'edgelords', notably those posh unfunny lobcocks on the excreable Little Britain show, which itself was a throwback to crap '70s comedy).
 

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The world of today liberals have created... where wearing make up for a costume is racist. No wonder Trump won.
 
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Well this is clearly an age thing. To me 2001 feels like 'a week ago last Thursday'. That's no time at all. Blackface was being roundly condemned in the late 1970s (which is why so many people I knew hated the 'black and white minstrel show' and is why the BBC finally took it off the air, probably decades too late). In fact, what seems to have happened was some people forgot how offensive it was and there was some half-arsed attempt to make it acceptable again around the early 2000s (by what I suppose would now be called 'edgelords', notably those posh unfunny lobcocks on the excreable Little Britain show, which itself was a throwback to crap '70s comedy).

No. No not really. Grasping for offensive-ness there.

The reality is that plenty of people like myself had no idea what blackface even was when we were in grade-school since it was *gasp* from the 1970s and before (as you stated).

Even then, black face is an INCREDIBLY GIANT distinction. There are some certain details to the face, see if you can notice them

 

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Can someone ELI5 why is this a big deal(by Canadian standard)? Honest question, as an Asian Canadian I have no clue why it was/is news worthy.
 
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Clear photo shop. He is with 4 black women and they just inverted the colors to make it seem racist....

lol read that and then looked back at the picture to imagine that being true and imagined the woman on the right being black hehe. God that is such a hideous smile and reminds me of trollface.

 

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The world of today liberals have created... where wearing make up for a costume is racist. No wonder Trump won.

Well racism and Trump... Once again just for you and your ilk.





Trump was asked by American Urban Radio Networks reporter April Ryan whether he'd apologize to the accused men for taking out newspaper ads calling for their execution. All five were exonerated in 2002 after Matias Reyes confessed to raping the woman, which was backed up by DNA evidence.


Trump has never apologized or expressed any regret that the wrong decision was made and to this day refuses to say that this crime was not committed by the five.

Trump quote

"You have people on both sides of that. They admitted their guilt," Trump said. "If you look at Linda Fairstein and if you look at some of the prosecutors, they think that the city should never have settled that case. So we'll leave it at that."


Looking at the facts, the truth, so much about that case was screwed and they deserved restitution. Trump of course would have none of it, the stupid racist he is, being petty and DMV-5 fucked in the head.

But he's your hero no matter who he acts with pathologic hatred and cruelty towards.
 

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Honestly, I don't overly mind about when these old pictures popup of politicians/celebrities etc in black face. It probably wasn't the wisest of choices back then either, but times were incredibly different than compared to now. There's no way for these people to know back then that in 20 years such things would be considered insulting and not socially acceptable - people have come to their senses and learned from past mistakes all_the_time.

Now what does matter is what those people have done between their grievance 20+ years ago and today. Have they listened and learned and changed with the world around them? Have they realized that something like that actually is offensive and are remorseful for the act (not just being remorseful for getting called out). Have they taken steps to help those that may be offended by such acts live better lives, with more equality and understanding? Have they grown as a person and a human being? These are the things that matter and these are the things I will judge that person in the picture from 20+ years ago on. We all did dumb things in our past that we couldn't (and shouldn't) get away with today. It's important that we learn and change and better ourselves.

In that regard, in my book, Turdeau is forgiven for this old picture. He was young, dumb and it was a different time. He's now older, smarter and has learned that something like this is not acceptable in today's world. He's helped countless minorities in Canada (and world wide) with respect and grace. I'm Ok with him.
 
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In that regard, in my book, Turdeau is forgiven for this old picture. He was young, dumb and it was a different time. He's now older, smarter and has learned that something like this is not acceptable in today's world. He's helped countless minorities in Canada (and world wide) with respect and grace. I'm Ok with him.

HE wasn't young, dumb and it was a different time.

WE were all young, dumb, and grew up during a different time. Unless you're 100% royalty or something, your chances of doing a stupid behavior, act, or crime at some point is highly probable. But there is a certain group that thinks you need to be ousted, dug up, and shunned for life. That isn't healthy.
 
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