Justin Trudeau wore.... Brown face!

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woolfe9998

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I get that, but he could have been as identifiably Arab/Indian/Alladin by just wearing the outfit... I mean what would possess someone in 2001 (again, not like we were in the age of people don't know better) to change the color of their skin for a dress-up party?

Again, I get the costume, I understand face paint if you want to make yourself look like a fictitious sci-fi or fantasy character, I don't get putting on makeup to make yourself look like a difference ethnicity. Seems like some serious dedication to the craft.

And to be perfectly clear, I think Trudeau is definitely a better option in a lot of respects than some other Pol that would have regressive social and political views, it just seems weird that this entire class of people has such a high percentage of seriously dedicated costumers.

When I was a kid, on Halloween I dressed as a vampire. I put ghostly white coloration on my face, and used charcoal to make my cheeks look sunken. Applying makeup to your face for a costume isn't really that unusual.
 
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Can someone ELI5 why is this a big deal(by Canadian standard)? Honest question, as an Asian Canadian I have no clue why it was/is news worthy.

Because right wingers think this is exposing some grand hypocrisy of liberals.

OP is turning into a full blown right wing crybaby bitch. He already had the monumental stupidity down. Now he's desperate to get outraged about shit that he claims other people are pointlessly outraged over.

I think this gives a good idea of what's happening to him:

 
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Because right wingers think this is exposing some grand hypocrisy of liberals.

OP is turning into a full blown right wing crybaby bitch. He already had the monumental stupidity down. Now he's desperate to get outraged about shit that he claims other people are pointlessly outraged over.

I think this gives a good idea of what's happening to him:

Can someone ELI5 why is this a big deal(by Canadian standard)? Honest question, as an Asian Canadian I have no clue why it was/is news worthy.

No idea why by Canadian standards since I don't live in Canada, but for American standards this has been going around now for the last 3-5 years or so.

Personally, I don't give a shit. It's the outrage leftist mob culture that originated it. So in this case, some Canadian right wings seem to be using it to their advantage (unsurprisingly) when they are given the opportunity for once. I have no issues with Trudeau in this regard - I just like to vicariously laugh at the left doing cannibalism on themselves as their outrage mob culture comes back to bite them in the ass.

But just for clarification (and to show stupid cucks like darkswordtard are just partisan stupid), see my earlier point on a 2nd grade kid getting shit and publicly shamed by the media and liberals for appreciating and celebrating MLK.


The end result has just gotten to pure insanity, do you remember this one from not that long ago of a fucking 2ND GRADER. Dressing as MARTIN LUTHER to CELEBRATE him?



 

woolfe9998

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I am not a fan of the "cultural appropriation" movement. I think it is misguided but maybe I only think that because it hasn't been explained to me in a way that makes sense. For right now, it seems to me like an actual example reverse racism honestly. White people aren't allowed to get cornrows? Maybe someone can explain why that makes sense, other than that it looks ridiculous IMO.

Yes, but white people from one culture are allowed to "appropriate" from another white culture. Which is why it isn't really cultural appropriation but rather, racial/ethnic appropriation. Years back there was a story linked about some journalist in Seattle complaining that a white person opened a Mexican restaurant. Since she was selling burritos it was a problem but it's obvious that if she was selling pasta, it wouldn't have been. It's incorrect labeling and inconsistent logic.
 

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Honestly, I don't overly mind about when these old pictures popup of politicians/celebrities etc in black face. It probably wasn't the wisest of choices back then either, but times were incredibly different than compared to now. There's no way for these people to know back then that in 20 years such things would be considered insulting and not socially acceptable - people have come to their senses and learned from past mistakes all_the_time.

Now what does matter is what those people have done between their grievance 20+ years ago and today. Have they listened and learned and changed with the world around them? Have they realized that something like that actually is offensive and are remorseful for the act (not just being remorseful for getting called out). Have they taken steps to help those that may be offended by such acts live better lives, with more equality and understanding? Have they grown as a person and a human being? These are the things that matter and these are the things I will judge that person in the picture from 20+ years ago on. We all did dumb things in our past that we couldn't (and shouldn't) get away with today. It's important that we learn and change and better ourselves.

In that regard, in my book, Turdeau is forgiven for this old picture. He was young, dumb and it was a different time. He's now older, smarter and has learned that something like this is not acceptable in today's world. He's helped countless minorities in Canada (and world wide) with respect and grace. I'm Ok with him.

I'm not saying Trudeau should be condemned forever for this one awful bit of judgement, given he probably has changed and genuinely apologised. But I don't think I'm going to get over this idea that 2001 is 'a different time'. Not to me it isn't. It's exactly the same time! 1970 is a 'different time', values have not changed very much since 2001 (I give you the 'trans' issue, that one has only come to prominence recently...nothing else is very different at all, as far as I can see). To me the talk of 2001 being 'a different time' reads like satire, like defending something you did last weekend on the grounds 'standards were different then'. I have to re-read it to realise people are being serious.

I don't think this is about era, it's about being in a demographic bubble (of posh white people, I suspect, in Trudeau's case). Posh white people can exist in a strange time-bubble where they are 20-30 years behind everyone else (cf Benedict Cumblebum and his use of the word 'coloured' to refer to a black person just a few years ago). It's why they probably shouldn't be left in charge of anything important, like governments.
 
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woolfe9998

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I'm not saying Trudeau should be condemned forever for this one awful bit of judgement, given he probably has changed and genuinely apologised. But I don't think I'm going to get over this idea that 2001 is 'a different time'. Not to me it isn't. It's exactly the same time! 1970 is a 'different time', values have not changed very much since 2001 (I give you the 'trans' issue, that one has only come to prominence recently...nothing else is very different at all, as far as I can see). To me the talk of 2001 being 'a different time' reads like satire, like defending something you did last weekend on the grounds 'standards were different then'. I have to re-read it to realise people are being serious.

I don't think this is about era, it's about being in a demographic bubble (of posh white people, I suspect, in Trudeau's case). Posh white people can exist in a strange time-bubble where they are 20-30 years behind everyone else (cf Benedict Cumblebum and his use of the word 'coloured' to refer to a black person just a few years ago). It's why they probably shouldn't be left in charge of anything important, like governments.

But it IS a different era, in the sense that we have way more sensitivity to racial issues today than we did then. Heck, we're in a different environment now than we were three years ago. Trump has polarized us into either racists or anti-racists who have become hyper-sensitive to every whiff of racism. That's how it's been In the US, anyway. We may not be in a "different era" in all respects, but the only aspect that matters for purposes of this discussion is what "era" are we in relation to racism and racial sensitivity.
 
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Yes, but white people from one culture are allowed to "appropriate" from another white culture. Which is why it isn't really cultural appropriation but rather, racial/ethnic appropriation. Years back there was a story linked about some journalist in Seattle complaining that a white person opened a Mexican restaurant. Since she was selling burritos it was a problem but it's obvious that if she was selling pasta, it wouldn't have been. It's incorrect labeling and inconsistent logic.

Don't forget if the roles were to be reversed (blacks/hispanics/asians doing white culture things) then it's A-OKAY! Yay for double standards in your political correctness soup.
 

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There was also an incident when he was in high school, I suppose that's fair game. Please step down Justin.
 

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Don't forget if the roles were to be reversed (blacks/hispanics/asians doing white culture things) then it's A-OKAY! Yay for double standards in your political correctness soup.
I'll be waiting for the pictures of black people whitening their faces for those redneck parties
 
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First off this is a Canada thing and my opinion doesn’t matter/I don’t care that much.
Second we are now up to a third image. Seems sort of weird this is all coming out as the stuff regarding the US President saying something so inappropriate that a whistleblower got involved is heating up.
Hello Russia are you listening.....


Pure speculation but today is a weird day.

Feels a lot like the Access Hollywood tape & DNC email release.

Edit: now a video appears around 4:35 and a cnn report of White House being involved with decision not to share whistle blowers complaint from 4:25
Again zero evidence other than feels like access Hollywood again.
 
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balloonshark

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I thought blackface was about african americans. Didn't think it was about brown people.

I save my outrage for people who have commited actual crimes in the past like rape. I'm much less concerned about PC stuff that happened in a different era when we weren't so enlightening or evolved.

If I think back to some of the cartoons I watched growing up some had blackface and peppy le pue was a sexual predator. Crap like that was normal but it doesn't mean it was right. We know better know and actions speak louder than words. If we judge someone by their recent actions this guy is a saint compared to Orangeholio.
 
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Who is outraged?

A number of opposition politicians and a number of political pundits as well. I suspect that the that the vast majority of Canadians, though, will be thinking of actual issues when it comes to voting in a few weeks.
 

cytg111

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Am I mistaken? Isnt a "brown face" paint job classicly leaving the eyes out.. so white areas around the eyes? Its doesnt look like he was going for a "brown face" to me.
 
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