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woolfe9998

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"Her "conversation" was just plain old ignorance on her part. <shrug>

They canceled her show over this "plain old ignorance." I think there was a little more too it than that. Her comment may well have been out of ignorance, but the response to it was motivated by more than just reacting to someone who made a plain ignorant remark.
 
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They canceled her show over this "plain old ignorance." I think there was a little more too it than that. Her comment may well have been out of ignorance, but the response to it was motivated by more than just reacting to someone who made a plain ignorant remark.

Yes, it was motivated by profits for shareholders.
 
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They canceled her show over this "plain old ignorance." I think there was a little more too it than that. Her comment may well have been out of ignorance, but the response to it was motivated by more than just reacting to someone who made a plain ignorant remark.

Ignorance can provoke anger, because it's often a marker of privilege, I guess. Often when someone is ignorant in certain ways it comes over as a sign that they've had a privileged life and are ignorant of that fact. That in itself can be extremely aggravating to those who haven't had the luxury of being able to not know things and get away with it.

As there are many different forms of privilege almost anyone can fall into that hole, one way or another. It's the price of living in an imperfect world, I suppose.

Either educate yourself with a map or accept you may walk into a minefield at some point.
 

woolfe9998

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Ignorance can provoke anger, because it's often a marker of privilege, I guess. Often when someone is ignorant in certain ways it comes over as a sign that they've had a privileged life and are ignorant of that fact. That in itself can be extremely aggravating to those who haven't had the luxury of being able to not know things and get away with it.

As there are many different forms of privilege almost anyone can fall into that hole, one way or another. It's the price of living in an imperfect world, I suppose.

Either educate yourself with a map or accept you may walk into a minefield at some point.

But you aren't going to get a show cancelled over just any sort of plain old ignorance, even if that ignorance is born of privilege. For example, had she said, "I don't understand why so many people take out these payday loans. Can't they just wait a few days for their paychecks?" That would be the ignorance of someone who has never been poor. But would her show be cancelled over it?

This ignorance was a literal show stopper because it had to do with race. That is the political climate we are in right now, and people on the left are pretending it isn't happening.
 
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When a liberal does it, it is ok. If a conservative did it, it is because white nationalism is everywhere, racism hiding behind every corner, the fear..!

Sure, tell that to Al Franken who is on permanent vacation. Or tell that to the democrat Harvey Weinstein. The left's problem is that they've boxed themselves in with their rhetoric on identity politics and are forced into a circular firing squad. It isn't hypocrisy. They chose the firing squad over hypocrisy.
 
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Vic

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When a liberal does it, it is ok. If a conservative did it, it is because white nationalism is everywhere, racism hiding behind every corner, the fear..!
That probably wouldn't be an issue if conservatives didn't welcome white supremacists into their midst, call them very fine people, embrace and repeat their ideas, etc.

What you're trying to do here is just dishonest and stupid. Wearing a Halloween costume isn't racism, regardless of how you want to spin it. Supporting policies that oppress minorities is.
 
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But you aren't going to get a show cancelled over just any sort of plain old ignorance, even if that ignorance is born of privilege. For example, had she said, "I don't understand why so many people take out these payday loans. Can't they just wait a few days for their paychecks?" That would be the ignorance of someone who has never been poor. But would her show be cancelled over it?

This ignorance was a literal show stopper because it had to do with race. That is the political climate we are in right now, and people on the left are pretending it isn't happening.


That's not a worthless point. I can certainly imagine someone getting a lot of flak for a comment about poverty like that, and maybe they would even have to resign, depending on what exactly their job was (I recall here a special advisor for education having to quit after making a clueless and snobbish remark about working-class university students).

But, sure, race seems to be a particular flashpoint in the US - but I just don't see that that is exactly new. You've had major riots about race, you've had lynchings, you've had one of the bloodiest civil wars in history over a closely-related subject!
 

Vic

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Sure, tell that to Al Franken who is on permanent vacation. Or tell that to the democrat Harvey Weinstein. The left's problem is that they've boxed themselves in with their rhetoric on identity politics and are forced into a circular firing squad. It isn't hypocrisy. They chose the firing squad over hypocrisy.
Al Franken made a stupid mistake in a business mistakes have always been potentially career ending. Weinstein actually deserves what's happening to him. Defending bad actors for partisan reasons is real hypocrisy.
IMO "the left's" real problem is that they let right wingers control the narrative, who then of course pick the stupidest, most extreme, and most outspoken leftists to be held up as the example for everything liberalism, even when the overwhelming majority of liberals disagree with those stupid, extreme, and outspoken leftists.
Meanwhile, conservatives appoint their stupidest, most extreme, and most outspoken nutjobs their leaders, and then try to pass themselves off as moderates, while defending every right wing bad actor for partisan reasons.
And that's everybody's problem today.
 
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That probably wouldn't be an issue if conservatives didn't welcome white supremacists into their midst, call them very fine people, embrace and repeat their ideas, etc.

What you're trying to do here is just dishonest and stupid. Wearing a Halloween costume isn't racism, regardless of how you want to spin it. Supporting policies that oppress minorities is.


SlowSpyder's comment is absurd - conservatives are infinitely more forgiving of racism and misogyny among their number than are Democrats. But I still think wearing such a costume at the very least suggests an alarming lack of awareness and a degree of insularity that doesn't exactly enhance one's opinion of Trudeau.
 

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That probably wouldn't be an issue if conservatives didn't welcome white supremacists into their midst, call them very fine people, embrace and repeat their ideas, etc.

What you're trying to do here is just dishonest and stupid. Wearing a Halloween costume isn't racism, regardless of how you want to spin it. Supporting policies that oppress minorities is.


I can see why you are so anti-Trump, because you believe incredible exaggerations of reality. To say Trump was calling white supremacists "very fine people" at this point in time is just dishonest. He wasn't referring to them and you know it. He doesn't support policies that oppress minorities, if anything his policies have helped minority communities. He doesn't repeat white supremacist ideals. That's just way out there. That is some strong koolaid they serve up on your side of the fence. Damn man.
 
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When a liberal does it, it is ok. If a conservative did it, it is because white nationalism is everywhere, racism hiding behind every corner, the fear..!

Yawn, fuck off troll. As I said, you know shit about Canada, it's politics or it's politicians.

Be useful. Go chase a squirrel.
 
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Sure, tell that to Al Franken who is on permanent vacation. Or tell that to the democrat Harvey Weinstein. The left's problem is that they've boxed themselves in with their rhetoric on identity politics and are forced into a circular firing squad. It isn't hypocrisy. They chose the firing squad over hypocrisy.

Al Franken paid a price for apparently being a grabby asshole.

Weinstein is apparently in the process of paying a price for being a fucking monster.

That's not a firing squad. That's people paying the price for their own actions.

Note: that there is a vast difference in the prices paid/being paid due to the vast difference in behaviour/action.
 

Vic

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I can see why you are so anti-Trump, because you believe incredible exaggerations of reality. To say Trump was calling white supremacists "very fine people" at this point in time is just dishonest. He wasn't referring to them and you know it. He doesn't support policies that oppress minorities, if anything his policies have helped minority communities. He doesn't repeat white supremacist ideals. That's just way out there. That is some strong koolaid they serve up on your side of the fence. Damn man.

Yeah right, when Trump pardoned Arpaio for profiling and arresting legal American citizens on suspicion of being in the US illegally, I suppose that had nothing to do with racism. When neo-nazis and the KKK shouted "Heil Trump," and Trump called them very fine people, I suppose that had nothing with racism. When Trump still refuses to admit that Central Park 5 are innocent, I suppose that has nothing with racism. When your ilk demands the 'right' to be able to say racist BS (aka anti-PC) without anyone else be allowed to say a disagreeing word in response (because counter speech you disagree with isn't free speech to your ilk), I suppose that has nothing to do with racism. When right wingers celebrate every time an LEO shoots an unarmed black kid, but freak out when a white 'Patriot' gets shot by LEO while drawing his gun, I suppose that has nothing to do with racism. When Trump declares brown-skinned immigration an "invasion," I suppose that has nothing to do with racism. When a random Muslim commits a mass shooting and we need suspend freedom of religion until we can figure out what's going on, but white right wing nut jobs have committed 10 times as many shootings since and we shouldn't do anything about it, I suppose that has nothing to do with bigotry (because you're all worried about rights and due process except when it's not you losing your rights without due process).
Yaknow, we actually read the shit that you and your ilk write and listen to the shit you say. Fuck you for thinking you can get away with lying about it.
 
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Al Franken paid a price for apparently being a grabby asshole.

Weinstein is apparently in the process of paying a price for being a fucking monster.

That's not a firing squad. That's people paying the price for their own actions.

Note: that there is a vast difference in the prices paid/being paid due to the vast difference in behaviour/action.

You honestly thought Al Franken should have resigned?

Circular firing squad is 100% on the mark. That message doesn't just come from me - it comes from your butt-buddy Obama.


Whatever - just like this thread I just like to sit on the sidelines and laugh at the stupidity of the liberal lefties eating themselves alive. Cannibalism at its finest.
 
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Right, but why are we in a political climate which would make that a good business decision to start out with?

Ok. I admit it. It was the 3,276 SJWs in the United States. They wield so much power it's terrifying.

Or, it was because a disingenuous asshole made some willfully ignorant statements on her prime time tv show and the company said, 'yeah, not worth the trouble. We've been looking for an excuse to get rid of her anyway. This should work.'

But no, really, it was the SJWs.
 
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Vic

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SlowSpyder's comment is absurd - conservatives are infinitely more forgiving of racism and misogyny among their number than are Democrats. But I still think wearing such a costume at the very least suggests an alarming lack of awareness and a degree of insularity that doesn't exactly enhance one's opinion of Trudeau.

Sure. So Canadians have a choice. They can elect someone who did something insensitive 20 years ago and can admit it was insensitive, or they can elect someone who sees that kind of insensitivity (or much worse) as good govt policy. It's up to them.
 
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Ok. I admit it. It was the 3,276 SJWs in the United States. They wield so much power it's terrifying.

Or, it was because a disingenuous asshole made some willfully ignorant statements on her prime time tv show and the company said, 'yeah, not worth the trouble. We've been looking for an excuse to get rid of her anyway. This should work.'

But no, really, it was the SJWs.

Number of SJWs aside (because I agree Twatter mob is a VERY small majority) - it became a large majority when he appologized on public TV - and subsequently all major media companies reported on it.

Reuters reported on it stating that it was a racist act. Sorry, but that is why the media is shit today. It isn't up to the media to determine what a racist act is unless it's (wait for it...) an OBVIOUS racist act.

What about the conclusion of this says "Just Trudeau HATES BROWN PEOPLE!"?
 
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You honestly thought Al Franken should have resigned?

Circular firing squad is 100% on the mark. That message doesn't just come from me - it comes from your butt-buddy Obama.


Whatever - just like this thread I just like to sit on the sidelines and laugh at the stupidity of the liberal lefties eating themselves alive. Cannibalism at its finest.

I have no reason to disbelieve the 8 women.

btw, I don't particularly like Obama (and sure as hell don't consider him as any type of "lefty") so you can take your butt buddy crap and place it in the appropriate orifice. Please and thanks.
 
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