K10 Barcelona 50% faster than Kentsfield ?

[NoobyDoo]

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We don't have many numbers but at least in specfp_rate2000 Barcelona ends up a bit less than 50 percent faster than Intel quad core codenamed Kentsfield.
We are quite sure that this is the best score but it definitely sounds impressive. AMD chaps are very confident that K10 marchitecture and native Quad core is the way to go and Intel will probably have to pay the price for duct taping its chips.

 

[jazzboy]

Is that clock-for-clock or compared to Intel's top of the line 3 GHz Core 2 Quad? Not to mention that benchmark is just a synthetic one like many of the Sandra tests.

So pretty meaningless really. Let's see some proper benchmarks.

 

[destrekor]

Dammit. This better not turn out to be true in real-world applications. I just made the switch to intel. Hopefully Intel redesigns the marchitecture for their quad-cores, Kentsfield is definitely not the right way to go about it. 2 chips sammiched together? boo
I don't plan on going quad-core till it's actually taken advantage of in applications, specifically in gaming, since hell, dual-core is only soon to be taken advantage of in gaming.

 

[Regs]

Originally posted by: destrekor
Dammit. This better not turn out to be true in real-world applications. I just made the switch to intel. Hopefully Intel redesigns the marchitecture for their quad-cores, Kentsfield is definitely not the right way to go about it. 2 chips sammiched together? boo
I don't plan on going quad-core till it's actually taken advantage of in applications, specifically in gaming, since hell, dual-core is only soon to be taken advantage of in gaming.

Even if K10 turns out to be a monstor who can blame you for making the swtich? It's "only" been 18 or so months and it's not a sure thing. We hopefully get more answers later this month when AMD displays the K10. I keep hearing April 22 or 23rd.

I believe Nethelm in '08 will address many of their 'bottle necks' for Quad. Thanks to Intel's cache logic and work-arounds for memory latency, I don't see much of a problem with their quad as it stands today but Nethelm would likely be a substantial improvement for their server chips.

 

[yacoub]

Originally posted by: destrekor
Dammit. This better not turn out to be true in real-world applications. I just made the switch to intel. Hopefully Intel redesigns the marchitecture for their quad-cores, Kentsfield is definitely not the right way to go about it. 2 chips sammiched together? boo
I don't plan on going quad-core till it's actually taken advantage of in applications, specifically in gaming, since hell, dual-core is only soon to be taken advantage of in gaming.

You make no sense. If you just switched to Intel you are running a great system right now that meets all your needs. What the heck do you care how other things perform? You should be enjoying your system. Faster things will always be coming out. Try being happy with what you have. You even say you don't care about quadcore so then why do you care so much about something that's faster than what you have.

 

[destrekor]

Originally posted by: yacoub

Originally posted by: destrekor
Dammit. This better not turn out to be true in real-world applications. I just made the switch to intel. Hopefully Intel redesigns the marchitecture for their quad-cores, Kentsfield is definitely not the right way to go about it. 2 chips sammiched together? boo
I don't plan on going quad-core till it's actually taken advantage of in applications, specifically in gaming, since hell, dual-core is only soon to be taken advantage of in gaming.

You make no sense. If you just switched to Intel you are running a great system right now that meets all your needs. What the heck do you care how other things perform? You should be enjoying your system. Faster things will always be coming out. Try being happy with what you have. You even say you don't care about quadcore so then why do you care so much about something that's faster than what you have.

don't lecture me.
the main reason I would be/am concerned is for future-proofing. Regardless, my system is plenty fast, but I can be jealous of the power of another brand if I want to. Don't get all bent out of shape about it.

 

[yacoub]

hey, you were the one getting bent out of shape.
you'll learn that "future-proofing" is a fantasy when it comes to computer hardware.

 

[destrekor]

Originally posted by: yacoub
hey, you were the one getting bent out of shape.
you'll learn that "future-proofing" is a fantasy when it comes to computer hardware.

i didn't get bent out of shape. but i guess its hard to tell when there are no emoticons used eh? i was merely making a simple statement that had no anger behind it. I can see how it could be seen as getting bent, but what have ya.

as far as future proofing, you don't need to tell me that. I know that is true. However, my idea is future proofing is likely different than your understanding of the concept. I think of it as merely being able to provide at least one upgrade, possibly 2, and through those upgrades still be near the top of the pack (or at least the possibility of it, providing the necessary funds). As in, when more Kentsfield's show up, towards the end or middle of Q4, I may be interested. And if I'd get another upgrade, I'd be happy.
Sadly, I am more pinned down by the Crossfire support of this board and my choice of new nVidia card.

 

[nZone]

Barcelona is probably faster than C2D. As Intel is feeling the effect already by dropping the price of their lineups. I guess Intel wants to rake up some money as much as possible before Barcelona launches.

 

[destrekor]

Originally posted by: nZone
Barcelona is probably faster than C2D. As Intel is feeling the effect already by dropping the price of their lineups. I guess Intel wants to rake up some money as much as possible before Barcelona launches.

as is the nature of the business. Each generation it seems the title of best marchitecture and performance seems to switch hands.

 

[jhtrico1850]

specfp_rate2000? What about specfp_rate2006, considering how AMD constantly accuses Intel of using outdated benches?

 

[zephyrprime]

For God's sakes, would people stop using the word "marchitecture"! It's not a real word! Curse the Inquirer for despoiling the language!

 

[krotchy]

Specfp has always been AMD's strong suit, heres an Anandtech article showing proof:

http://www.anandtech.com/tradeshows/showdoc.aspx?i=2956&p=5

an opteron 2220 running 200mhz slower beats out a Xeon 5160 by 4% in specfp2000.

Who here would raise their hand and take an Opteron 2220 over a Xeon 5160...

Also look at the Dual Xeon 5355's vs 4x Opteron 8220's. Again the Xeons lose, by 34% this time. Yet I would take a dual clovertown server over a Quad 8220 machine any day, unless I knew what I was running was going to be memory bottlenecked.

No doubt Barcelona will be good, and it has a much better FSB/memory controller than Intel's Core does, however the brute force power of the Barcelona I expect to be almost identical to the Core Architecture in the end, if not slightly worse.

 

[destrekor]

Originally posted by: zephyrprime
For God's sakes, would people stop using the word "marchitecture"! It's not a real word! Curse the Inquirer for despoiling the language!

i like it because its shorthand for micro architecture. not sure if you knew that or not, but I like shorthand.

 

[TuxDave]

Originally posted by: destrekor

Originally posted by: zephyrprime
For God's sakes, would people stop using the word "marchitecture"! It's not a real word! Curse the Inquirer for despoiling the language!

i like it because its shorthand for micro architecture. not sure if you knew that or not, but I like shorthand.

If you want to do shorthand, do it the most effecient way and use uA or uArch

 

[nyker96]

I doubt this could be true. BUt hey if it is awesome.

 

[imported_yes]

I really hope & pray it is for the real good of all of us. Competition and other things .....

 

[VirtualLarry]

Originally posted by: destrekor

Originally posted by: zephyrprime
For God's sakes, would people stop using the word "marchitecture"! It's not a real word! Curse the Inquirer for despoiling the language!

i like it because its shorthand for micro architecture. not sure if you knew that or not, but I like shorthand.

No, it's short for "Marketing - Architecture". At least get it right.

 

[Pugnate]

I love it when people get owned.

 

[Kromis]

Originally posted by: Pugnate
I love it when people get owned.

Owned

 

[jpeyton]

Looks like AMD will make a 1-2 punch and take the performance lead in both CPU and GPU markets this summer :thumbsup:

 

[zsdersw]

That's not certain.

 

[destrekor]

Originally posted by: VirtualLarry

Originally posted by: destrekor

Originally posted by: zephyrprime
For God's sakes, would people stop using the word "marchitecture"! It's not a real word! Curse the Inquirer for despoiling the language!

i like it because its shorthand for micro architecture. not sure if you knew that or not, but I like shorthand.

No, it's short for "Marketing - Architecture". At least get it right.

meh. oh well. Don't follow how it could possibly mean that in the context of the paragraph presented in the OP, but whatever.
but, read it again. I'm quite certain marketing is the last thing they were referring to, and more to the micro architecture of the chip.

 

[yacoub]

I agree it's stupid and needs to stop before it catches on. At the very very least, it must be "m-architecture" with a hyphen between it if it wants to come anywhere near being reasonable shorthand and not just something stupid.

 

[Roy2001]

Originally posted by: jpeyton
Looks like AMD will make a 1-2 punch and take the performance lead in both CPU and GPU markets this summer :thumbsup:

I suspect that won't happen. Clock to clock, Barcelona could be as good as or even beat C2Q, but Penry would crush it.