Richland and Kaveri will fight with Haswell and Broadwell.
Kabini and Temash will fight with Bay Trail platforms.
Richland and Kaveri will fight with Haswell and Broadwell.Both Kabini and Kalveri will fight Haswell and Broadwell uarchs.
The Silvermont Atoms are out of AMDs reach.
I love how AMD loyalists like to think that AMD, on a 28nm process, will be able to pack in as much performance in a given power envelope as Intel will on a 22nm process for a low power design.
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I beg to differ: Expect a big advantage, not due to 26nm, but due to finfets. These things are from the futureAnyway , the guy was right , Intel s 22nm is actualy 26nm ,
so dont expect a big advantage due to their process.
THey will also use out of order execution, like any other modern architecture does, besides the old Atoms, which use the slow in-order-execution. It will be definitly an interesting competition, I am especially interested in the die size. The old Atoms were rather huge compared to AMD's Bobcat architecture.how much info is there on the next gen atoms? and how can you draw that conclusion?
Well the topic here is Atom, isn't it? Guess at which clocks these chip will run ...Finfet provide some advantage only at lower frequencies ,
dont be fooled by Intel s slide that showed 37% better
perfs than.....32nm planar!!
Should they display a comparison with 22/26nm planar
that their slide would show way lower advantage ,
particularly at average and high frequencies.
People are leaning on its GPU performance increase as its differentiator, but they must not understand just how puny its predecessors' performance was. E-350 is not even in the same league as a mere HD 4000.
In a performance demanding game the HD Graphics 4000 won't run in 1+ GHz, just only 350 MHz.
Your right the 17w Ivy Bridge CPU inside surface Pro, is aboutE-350 is not even in the same league as a mere HD 4000.
E-350 was on HD2000 level (the slower Sandy Bridge GPU variant). HD4000 is way faster. I expect a big GPU advantage for Temash against Bay Trail, at least a 2x advantage over Bay Trail. On the CPU side it probably will lose badly to Silvermont.
Given how little we know about Silvermont, I don't feel especially confident predicting its performance.
Silvermont tablet is targeted for 2 Ghz while Jaguar for Tablet only 1,0 Ghz at a lower TDP.
Likely 12W TDP for the 2GHZ model , is that what you call lower TDP.?.
The slide dissagrees.
It says that the lower power parts will be about 5W ,
frequencies being 1.2-1.4Ghz according to THG.
The low power is attained thanks to subpar GPU as well...
As you can see in above chart brazos graphics pretty mich sucked and was way worse than HD 4000. And Haswell mobile graphics will be a lot faster than HD 4000. So no Kabini will lose also in that area and will be demolished in CPU performance.
Kabini's problem will be Bay Trail-M ("Silvermont" based SoC).
Pretty early to be declaring what will be viable. At the very least it's about time the brazos class of product was refreshed by AMD.
Your right the 17w Ivy Bridge CPU inside surface Pro, is about
2x or 3x as fast as the E350.
The E-350 is a brazo's model and a 40nm chip, from Jan 4th 2011. (Motherboard & chip = ~100$)
The i5-3317U is a Ivy bridge model and 22nm chip, from april 23rd 2012. (costs ~225$)
The jump from 40nm to 22nm is a big one.
Hopefully AMD can do better at 28nm than they can at 40nm.
Bay Trail Tablet is targeted for 3W or less at 2.1 Ghz. Don't confuse desktop Silvermont with tablet Silvermont.
no doubt kabini will improve over Brazos. I don't doubt that it will double the gpu performance. The question is to what effect?
AMD is pushing the idea of gaming tablets. but with less GPU performance than hd4000 or trinity, will consumers see them that way? Or will they see them as still being the same budget product that Brazos is?
ARM cores? for TrustZone.