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Arkadrel

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What is this? Some kind of DRM? Do not want. There had better be a good way to disable it, or I'm boycotting.


http://www.arm.com/products/processors/technologies/trustzone.php

TrustZone technology, tightly integrated tightly into Cortex™-A processors, extends throughout the system via the AMBA® AXI™ bus and specific TrustZone System IP blocks. This system approach means that it is possible to secure peripherals such as secure memory, crypto blocks, keyboard and screen to ensure they can be protected from software attack.
New business models are emerging, from the capability to pay for, download and view the latest Hollywood blockbuster for a specific period, or the ability to pay bills and manage bank accounts remotely from a handset.

These trends have the potential to make the mobile handset the next frontier for software attack vectors such as malware, trojans and rootkits. However, through the application of advanced security technology based on ARM TrustZone technology and integrating SecurCore™ tamper resistant elements it is possible to develop devices that can offer both a feature-rich open operating environment and robust security solutions.

The Arm A5-A15 all have it.
Im pretty sure Intel has their own system of this type as well.

basically not sure its possible to boycut it, and still have a smartphone/tablet.
 

Arkadrel

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no doubt kabini will improve over Brazos. I don't doubt that it will double the gpu performance. The question is to what effect?

AMD is pushing the idea of gaming tablets. but with less GPU performance than hd4000 or trinity, will consumers see them that way? Or will they see them as still being the same budget product that Brazos is?


http://www.sweclockers.com/nyhet/16597-amd-temash-specifikationer-och-prestanda







It looks like the A6-1450 might be a 9watt TPD? unit.

When you put it into a "stand" it gets air cooling from the stand its placed in,
and overclocked from 1ghz -> 1.4ghz.

The graphics test 3DMark 11, GPU 379 or 537 points, depending on whether it is in the surf platte or hybrid mode. That Compares to just over 600 points for the HD 4000 in an Ultrabook.
Your right it does look like that model will be slightly slower than a HD 4000 GPU.

Its cool that the Temash @ 1.4ghz (9w? TPD)
beats the 1.4ghz i3-2367M (17w TPD) Sandy Bridge, in Cinebench.

Shows 4 cores > 2 Cores + HT, in this case.
 

mikk

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I think you're confusing turbo dock TDP and benchmarks with the regular Temash. Temash in turbo dock mode of course has a much higher TDP.
 

AtenRa

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I think you're confusing turbo dock TDP and benchmarks with the regular Temash. Temash in turbo dock mode of course has a much higher TDP.

Temash Quad core @ 1GHz will be less than 5W TDP.
 
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Temash Quad core @ 1GHz will be less than 5W TDP.

Negative. Listen to Rory Read on various calls...2C Temash is what goes into fanless/tablet form factors. 4C Temash is an 8W part that can boost up to 15W when docked.
 

Abwx

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Negative. Listen to Rory Read on various calls...2C Temash is what goes into fanless/tablet form factors. 4C Temash is an 8W part that can boost up to 15W when docked.

It is 6W for the quad according to the swedish site
mentioned above.....

Temash APU A6-1450/6W TDP
 

Arkadrel

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Lmao I think your right. I missed it the first time I read it but....

source:
http://www.sweclockers.com/nyhet/16597-amd-temash-specifikationer-och-prestanda

Details on the processor, which will carry the banner of Temash platform A6-1450 are also shown. The surf flat position working the four cores of 1.0 GHz while the graphics part is ticking at 300 MHz. As hybrid increased this to 1.4 GHz and 500 MHz. According to previous rumors will Temash have TDP-values ​​of 3.6 and 5.9 watts, and the power consumption of around 1 watt during normal use.
This is google-translate from swedish to english.

-deleted see Abwx below.


To quote someone else though:

All this Temash hype reminds me of Bulldozer hype.
Im kinda warry of these rumors now... I want to see a finished product benchmarked and reviewed.
 
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Abwx

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It s rather 3.5W for the dual core and 5.9W for the quad , both
being at 1Ghz , when docked the quad can rise at 1.4Ghz with 12W TDP ,
the added 6.1W are for both the CPU and GPU wich also see its frequency
increased when the item is docked.

Indeed , these are AMD numbers in their one year old slides.
 

podspi

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http://www.sweclockers.com/nyhet/16597-amd-temash-specifikationer-och-prestanda







It looks like the A6-1450 might be a 9watt TPD? unit.

When you put it into a "stand" it gets air cooling from the stand its placed in,
and overclocked from 1ghz -> 1.4ghz.

Your right it does look like that model will be slightly slower than a HD 4000 GPU.

Its cool that the Temash @ 1.4ghz (9w? TPD)
beats the 1.4ghz i3-2367M (17w TPD) Sandy Bridge, in Cinebench.

Shows 4 cores > 2 Cores + HT, in this case.

Its not often you have a post with Intel vs. AMD benches where the AMD chip wins the CPU benchmark but loses the GPU benchmark...

Testament to how serious Intel is about IGPs going forward. I wonder if this is in response to AMD, or Apple...
 

erunion

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temash is their tablet chip and while it will be slower(by how much is yet to be seen) it will have much better battery life in comparison to and i5 ulv w/ hd4000. which seems more appealing to customers?

This is exactly what I was talking before. We don't know which chip will have better battery life.
 

AtenRa

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Negative. Listen to Rory Read on various calls...2C Temash is what goes into fanless/tablet form factors. 4C Temash is an 8W part that can boost up to 15W when docked.

Even Dual Core 1GHz @ 40nm Brazos2.0 (Z-60) is less than 5W.

Quad core 1GHz @ 28nm Jaguar (SoC) will be less/equal to 5W.
 

Exophase

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I've only heard 6W and 8W for quad core Jaguar @ 1GHz.

Keeping the same power consumption while having the following:

- Same CPU clock
- Doubling the core count
- ~15% better average IPC
- Twice wide SIMD engines
- More than doubling the GPU performance (although, I still have no idea what the "base" GPU perf will be with all four cores @ 1GHz)

Only from TSMC 40nm to 28nm sounds a little too good to be true. Unless Jaguar made some truly staggering design improvements vs Bobcat, maybe it'd be more fair to call them "corrections" instead.
 

Gideon

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Even Dual Core 1GHz @ 40nm Brazos2.0 (Z-60) is less than 5W.

Quad core 1GHz @ 28nm Jaguar (SoC) will be less/equal to 5W.

I call BS.

8W TDP (with 15W in turbo dock) has been reported in multiple articles for 4-core chip. And considering that the dual-core Temash @ 1 Ghz shows no battery life gains over Brazos 2.0 whatsoever it also makes sense.

And even the earlier rumors put the figure at 5.9 ~ 6W. I haven't seen 5W mentioned anywhere (except someone's bad shill work in forums).
 
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Even Dual Core 1GHz @ 40nm Brazos2.0 (Z-60) is less than 5W.

Quad core 1GHz @ 28nm Jaguar (SoC) will be less/equal to 5W.

How much would you like to bet that the quad core Jaguar will be <= 5W TDP? I'll put up $50 that it is not...are you game?
 
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I've only heard 6W and 8W for quad core Jaguar @ 1GHz.

Keeping the same power consumption while having the following:

- Same CPU clock
- Doubling the core count
- ~15% better average IPC
- Twice wide SIMD engines
- More than doubling the GPU performance (although, I still have no idea what the "base" GPU perf will be with all four cores @ 1GHz)

Only from TSMC 40nm to 28nm sounds a little too good to be true. Unless Jaguar made some truly staggering design improvements vs Bobcat, maybe it'd be more fair to call them "corrections" instead.

Bingo, Exophase.
 

AtenRa

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I call BS.

8W TDP (with 15W in turbo dock) has been reported in multiple articles for 4-core chip.

We are talking about Temash(Tablets) Quad core 1GHz, not desktop Kabini.

And considering that the dual-core Temash @ 1 Ghz shows no battery life gains over Brazos 2.0 whatsoever it also makes sense.

Where did you see that ??

And even the earlier rumors put the figure at 5.9 ~ 6W. I haven't seen 5W mentioned anywhere (except someone's bad shill work in forums).




Just to add,
TSMC 28nm over 40nm

45% higher speed @ same leakage
1.9x higher density
 

AtenRa

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How much would you like to bet that the quad core Jaguar will be <= 5W TDP? I'll put up $50 that it is not...are you game?


I will take the bet but you have to say how much YOU believe it will be.
 

Exophase

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There's no way you could make the claim that the slide unambiguously says quad-cores at < 5W. No reason to believe those first two bullets are coupled together like that.

Leakage isn't power consumption, it's just the static part. I doubt you'd get 45% higher speed at the same power consumption. Reasonable expectations for power improvement from TSMC 40nm to 28nm (while keeping the same performance) is around 40-50%. Those things I listed call for way more than that.
 

AtenRa

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Reasonable expectations for power improvement from TSMC 40nm to 28nm (while keeping the same performance) is around 40-50%.

You have just said that going to 28nm Dual Core BobCat @ 1GHz will get you half the power, meaning adding two(2) more cores will get you the same power as a Dual Core 1GHz @ 40nm. And we haven’t count the higher efficiency of the Jaguar cores.
 

Abwx

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I call BS.

8W TDP (with 15W in turbo dock) has been reported in multiple articles for 4-core chip. And considering that the dual-core Temash @ 1 Ghz shows no battery life gains over Brazos 2.0 whatsoever it also makes sense.

The 8W figure is for the whole tablet , including the screen , those
who say otherwise have no clue or are deliberatly spreading FUD...

And even the earlier rumors put the figure at 5.9 ~ 6W. I haven't seen 5W mentioned anywhere (except someone's bad shill work in forums).

Look here , it has been posted ad nauseam , including in this thread.
What does it say for tablets SoCs ??..
3.6 to 5.9W , period.

 

Gideon

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Gideonic said:
And considering that the dual-core Temash @ 1 Ghz shows no battery life gains over Brazos 2.0 whatsoever it also makes sense.
Where did you see that ??

On AMDs own site. I wrote a lengthy post about it here:

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?p=34720015&highlight=#post34720015

I was totally shocked about it in a worst possible way. But given AMDs tendency of adhering bad news, that's what I expect from Temash until proven otherwise.
 

Riek

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On AMDs own site. I wrote a lengthy post about it here:

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?p=34720015&highlight=#post34720015

I was totally shocked about it in a worst possible way. But given AMDs tendency of adhering bad news, that's what I expect from Temash until proven otherwise.

FYI: they talk about system power consumption.

In all those graphs the APU has the smallest impact on overal powerconsumption. So you are running against diminishing returns. even a 50% APU power reducation will not lead to significant different charts.

And by all this you are also comparing exactly the same workloads under exactly the same system running at the same temperature in the same environment with the same OS.
 
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