It is very unlikely that Cannonlake would support the same socket.
Things are a little goofy with Skylake, but wouldn't traditionally Cannonlake use the LGA1151 socket as the die shrink of the SL uarch?
I think you messed up the wording on your question. Skylake will work on KL motherboards -- 4+4e Skylake will not work on today's Skylake motherboards, though. I am not positive as to why, but yeah.
you're right that I am confused hah. I've never heard of a processor not compatible with a future motherboard, but the future cpu will be compatible with a past motherboard. I assume they are pin compatible for that to be possible, but wouldn't that confuse a lot of people?
It is very unlikely that Cannonlake would support the same socket.
You do know the gains have been in that area ever since the PPro in 1995?
Everything else have come from frequency and cores.
This is the most egregious example of revisionist history I've read in a while... Well, unless you back it up.
You can start with this, that you may most likely reject. Dothan to Broadwell. 2003 to 2015.
http://www.nextplatform.com/2015/03/09/intel-crafts-broadwell-xeon-d-for-hyperscale/
Else some good information in this post:
http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=37939597&postcount=106
Well, the tocks have been 10+ % gains, not 5% like the thread you were replying to.
If I had to guess, I'd say it will be LGA1151 and compatible with Kaby Lake 200-Series chipsets.
The poster claimed everything after SB was 5%. Its not. Both Haswell and Skylake is above that.
Some people have a completely wrong notion that before Sandy Bridge, IPC gains was wild and crazy. But you have to go all the way back to Pentium Pro for that to be true.
Can you explain why? I have to disagree, it is very unlikely imho that CNL will get a new socket. Intel don't change sockets for a refresh generation.
But probably not for compatibility with 100 series chipsets?Cannonlake have also always been planned for LGA1151.
Cannonlake would have to use its own single usage socket if it is so. Because Icelake will use a new one with the reintroduction of the FIVR.
Cannonlake have also always been planned for LGA1151.
But probably not for compatibility with 100 series chipsets?
They were stuck on this node for 3 generations though, and it's likely only going to continue to get worse. Which means they would likely get 3 or more generations out of a new socket 10nm socket as well, which should be sufficient to merit the development cost.
Intel is known for switching sockets fairly frequently too.
Then again, a new socket might mean it lowers CPU sales due to the motherboard requirement.
Of course, they sell motherboards too.
EDIT: Where did you find info on icelake? The only thing I see is an article from july that states Intel Ditches Cannonlake And Replaces It With Ice Lake CPUs.
"Skylake and Kaby Lake chips will be compatible with LGA1151 socket motherboards, the die shrink should mean a new form-factor as well as new mainboards."
Replacing or at least renaming Cannonlake with Icelake would make a lot of sense. Per Intel's recent naming convention another Lake part would be the same u arch introduced in Skylake, and four generations of that seems unlikely.There is no ditching of Cannonlake. Icelake follows Cannonlake and will reintroduce the FIVR.
Kaby Lake is the refresh generation.
Think of it as the tock.
You're getting the 200 series chipset and a bunch of new features like 3DXP support.
Cannonlake is also rumored to be an SoC with the PCH ondie.
Chipset and socket are two different things. I don't see how this can be a proof that Intel will be using a different socket for Cannonlake. There is absolutely no indication for a new socket. Intel could launch new chipsets whenever they want, this isn't connected to a new socket. Z97 wasn't for example.
What is your source?
Where is the source that cannonlake will be another refresh?Cannonlake as well.