Kaido's 2009 Camcorder Guide

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If transcoding is a headache for you, then you might want to look at an iFrame-compatible camera. Apple supports a standard called iFrame, which is higher-rez than DVD but not quite full HD, but it imports right into iMovie without having to transcode.
Kaido, I am not that familiar with the terminology, so perhaps you can enlighten me on the complexities for transcoding.

I dont anticipate that we will be doing much if any video editing on my wife's G4. What I am looking for is the ability to essentially pull raw footage from my camcorder, archive it in whatever format the camcorder captures it in, and then set up a workflow for editing the files and converting to DVD...maybe Blu-Ray at some later point.

Can I take footage from the HF200, pull it to my PC and then edit the files directly? Or am I looking at having to transcode into another format regardless of whether or not I use a PC or MAC for video editing?
 
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Kaido, I am not that familiar with the terminology, so perhaps you can enlighten me on the complexities for transcoding.

I dont anticipate that we will be doing much if any video editing on my wife's G4. What I am looking for is the ability to essentially pull raw footage from my camcorder, archive it in whatever format the camcorder captures it in, and then set up a workflow for editing the files and converting to DVD...maybe Blu-Ray at some later point.

Can I take footage from the HF200, pull it to my PC and then edit the files directly? Or am I looking at having to transcode into another format regardless of whether or not I use a PC or MAC for video editing?

Okay, here's the basics: there are 3 primary video formats -

1. Recording format
2. Editing format
3. Playback format

Cameras record to a 'recording' format, which usually optimized for lots of information in a small space, i.e. to fit HD footage onto small memory cards. AVCHD, MOV, and AVI are some examples of recording formats. This is great for storing files while recording, but not so great for editing - computers aren't really cut out to edit those kinds of files (depends on which camera you have and what it records to though!) - editing AVCHD on most computers is super slow, even on a quad-core machine. So you have to translate the recorded file into something that the computer can use more easily. Think of it like converting a record to an MP3 - you plug it into your computer and translate the output from the record player into an MP3, so it's easier for you to use. Basically you use your video editing program or a standalone converter to convert your movie files from a recording format to an editing format. This process is known as "transcoding" (converting from one file format to another).

This is why figuring out your workflow before you start shooting is so important - each camera has a different recording format, and each video editing program can editing different video files. For example, the Final Cut Pro video editor for Mac doesn't like AVCHD files, but the Sony Vegas video editor for PC can handle AVCHD just fine. You can edit AVCHD files in Final Cut Pro, however, if you fill in the missing link by converting AVCHD into a video format that Final Cut Pro likes, like the ProRes format. So in Sony Vegas, you would shoot->edit. In Final Cut Pro, you would shoot->transcode->edit. But it all depends on your camera's format and the formats your video editor supports!

Then when you're all done, you convert it into the final format - a playback format. You can export it to DVD, to iPod, to Youtube, to Facebook, whatever you want. So think of it kind of like a chain - from your camera to your computer to wherever you want to play it back. It's a bit confusing at first, but once you figure out what camera you want and where you'll be doing the editing, it's pretty easy to nail it down. This is what stumps most people, and so most people spend a thousand dollars on a nice camera setup and never use it

AVCHD is a really good format for both shooting and storing video. It's much smaller than many other formats, which means you can back up your whole memory card and store it on your computer without using up a lot of space. If you use a video editing suite that supports AVCHD editing, then you don't have to transcode it before you edit, which saves a LOT of time.

So if you want to edit on a PC and get Sony Vegas, that supports AVCHD, so an AVCHD camcorder would be a good one to go with (like the HF200). You can use an AVCHD camcorder with iMovie on a Mac, but then you will have to transcode the AVCHD footage into something like MOV or iFrame, a format that iMovie understands, which adds lots of time to the editing process because you have to wait for your video clips to convert. If you don't want to do that, then you can get a different camera like that Sanyo that records in iFrame format and talks to iMovie natively, which is really nice.

It's not a bad thing to have to transcode because a lot of high-end cameras recording in formats that not many video editors can use natively. But if you want something really really easy - shoot then edit - then you'll want to match up your camera with your video editing program to facilitate that. For example, I have two cameras - a point & shoot that does 720p video and a MiniDV 1080p camcorder. My big 1080p camcorder records digitally to tape, then I import that and convert it into a usable format - it's a much longer process than my 720p camcorder, where all I do is drag the files from my memory card into iMovie and start editing. But my 1080p camcorder gives me way better quality and features, so it's worth the extra hassle of importing and transcoding.

So the questions you'll want to ask yourself are (1) where will I be doing most of my editing (PC or Mac, and which video software?), and (2) what kind of camera do I want? Transcoding is pretty much inevitable because you have to convert your edited movie into something to watch on Youtube or a DVD, so the part you can choose to skip is going from shooting to editing and transcoding inbetween. My 1080p camera gives me really fabulous quality, but I use my 720p camera nearly every day and my 1080p camera mostly only on weekends because the 720p camera is shoot->edit, whereas my 1080p camera is shoot->transcode->edit, which takes much more time and is more hassle to deal with.

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Wow Kaido, thanks a lot. Very enlightening and informative.

I am really leaning towards the HF200. Not sure if the PC or G4 will be our primary editing workstation. Based on your post, it appears that the HF200 can record in both AVCHD and iFrame mode. Is that correct? If so, I will get the HF200, and we may experiment with video editing on both our PC and G4 to see which video editing software we like better.
 

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Wow Kaido, thanks a lot. Very enlightening and informative.

I am really leaning towards the HF200. Not sure if the PC or G4 will be our primary editing workstation. Based on your post, it appears that the HF200 can record in both AVCHD and iFrame mode. Is that correct? If so, I will get the HF200, and we may experiment with video editing on both our PC and G4 to see which video editing software we like better.

No problem!

No, the HF200 only records to AVCHD. The Sanyo HD2000a supports iFrame. I know that Sony Vegas for PC supports native AVCHD editing (only a few packages do), but you'll need to transcode the footage to edit on a Mac - I'd recommend VoltaicHD for the transcoding software. Honestly the HF200 is the best bang-for-your buck camera, so you can't really go wrong with it - it's the size of a soda can, but gives you results like Discovery HD:

http://vimeo.com/8228035

Plus there's lots of add-ons you can do later - microphones, lenses, etc., so plenty of room to grow as your budget/interest allows!
 

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If you were looking to stick around the $700 price range which would you recommend?

Canon VIXIA HF-S100 $699 or Canon VIXIA HF-M300 $679?

Thanks.
 

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If you were looking to stick around the $700 price range which would you recommend?

Canon VIXIA HF-S100 $699 or Canon VIXIA HF-M300 $679?

Thanks.

If you want max quality, the HF-S100 still has the edge, although personally I'd go with the HF-M300 because they both have 24mbps recording, but the 300 has Touch & Track technology - basically autofocus on touched faces, so the person you're recording doesn't go out of focus as they/you move around. Other than that, the main difference between the two cameras is that the HF-S100 has a 1/2.6-inch sensor, while the 300 has a 1/4-inch sensor. So a better sensor on the S100.

I'd wait a week after the 300 is released and compare the quality from people's posted samples on Youtube/Vimeo. My guess is that there won't be an enormous difference.
 

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Hi Kaido,

So I went ahead and ordered the HF200, and I have to say I am very impressed with the feature set. I shot some test footage just to play with the features, and everything seems to be working. However, as this is my first camcorder, I am noticing something that I believe is a defect, but I can't be sure.

There is an audible clanking noise that occurs from slight movement of the camcorder. When rocking the camcorder back and forth slowly, it almost feels like there is an internal component that is loose and banging against the inside chassis. It feels like something is moving side to side or rocking inside the camcorder, almost like a magic eight ball feels. The movement seems to be coming from the mid body of the camcorder.

Although the camera is working, I would hate for this to emerge later as a mechanical problem. Is it normal for the internal components of camcorders to make an audible sound from slight movement through normal usage?
 

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Hi Kaido,

So I went ahead and ordered the HF200, and I have to say I am very impressed with the feature set. I shot some test footage just to play with the features, and everything seems to be working. However, as this is my first camcorder, I am noticing something that I believe is a defect, but I can't be sure.

There is an audible clanking noise that occurs from slight movement of the camcorder. When rocking the camcorder back and forth slowly, it almost feels like there is an internal component that is loose and banging against the inside chassis. It feels like something is moving side to side or rocking inside the camcorder, almost like a magic eight ball feels. The movement seems to be coming from the mid body of the camcorder.

Although the camera is working, I would hate for this to emerge later as a mechanical problem. Is it normal for the internal components of camcorders to make an audible sound from slight movement through normal usage?

I just picked up an HF200 at work for doing training videos and don't remember any audible noise, but I'll check it out Monday morning for you. That sounds odd.
 

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I got the HF200 also, will be bugging Kaido in week on using Sony Vegas or Adbore Premiere... be ready! You have been Warned!

LOL, Thanks for all your great help on this board bud.
 

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I got the HF200 also, will be bugging Kaido in week on using Sony Vegas or Adbore Premiere... be ready! You have been Warned!

LOL, Thanks for all your great help on this board bud.

Haha, we'll both be new to Vegas...I'm a diehard Mac user, but work refuses to spring for anything but Dells & XP, so oh well. It looks like a pretty comprehensive suite so far (Vegas).
 

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Hi Kaido,

So I went ahead and ordered the HF200, and I have to say I am very impressed with the feature set. I shot some test footage just to play with the features, and everything seems to be working. However, as this is my first camcorder, I am noticing something that I believe is a defect, but I can't be sure.

There is an audible clanking noise that occurs from slight movement of the camcorder. When rocking the camcorder back and forth slowly, it almost feels like there is an internal component that is loose and banging against the inside chassis. It feels like something is moving side to side or rocking inside the camcorder, almost like a magic eight ball feels. The movement seems to be coming from the mid body of the camcorder.

Although the camera is working, I would hate for this to emerge later as a mechanical problem. Is it normal for the internal components of camcorders to make an audible sound from slight movement through normal usage?

Hey, I tested the HF200 - I remember this issue now. When the camera is off, there's a mechanism inside that comes unlocked (it sounds like a big marble rolling around). When the camera is powered on, it locks the piece (the lens or autofocus or something). Go ahead and try rolling it around with the power off, then power it on and roll it around again. Powering it on should engage the lock. This is 100%, completely and totally normal.
 

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Started working heavily with my HF200 at work. WOW am I impressed! This camera is great!! I can't believe the picture you get out of it for ~$500. Extremely pleased with it so far. Got it setup with a Velbon DV-7000, Gorillapod, and Glidetrack. Using a Raynox 6600 wide-angle lens with a lens hood from a Canon XH camcorder:

http://lacolorshop.com/products/item.asp?Id=a1hood

Gets the job done real nicely. I'm learning the Sony Vegas software - it seems to do decently well with AVCHD. I just drop my files right onto the timeline, slice & dice, and I'm good to go. So much nicer than transcoding!
 

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Started working heavily with my HF200 at work. WOW am I impressed! This camera is great!! I can't believe the picture you get out of it for ~$500. Extremely pleased with it so far. Got it setup with a Velbon DV-7000, Gorillapod, and Glidetrack. Using a Raynox 6600 wide-angle lens with a lens hood from a Canon XH camcorder:

http://lacolorshop.com/products/item.asp?Id=a1hood

Gets the job done real nicely. I'm learning the Sony Vegas software - it seems to do decently well with AVCHD. I just drop my files right onto the timeline, slice & dice, and I'm good to go. So much nicer than transcoding!


Hey sup Kaido, as you already know I also got a hf200 and I'm happy so far. As far as Sony Vegas, it is good to. There are quite a bit of tutorials on youtube if you need some help with that software. Most likely you already know everything by now but I thought I should share anyways since I've been learning Sony Vegas also lately and hope to do so even more since I just finished my last exam.


Now my favourite part, this is where I pick your brain. What format do you render in after editing? What format do you recommend if I plan to burn the files to DVD later on to give to family? As far as playing of computer, anything works for me cause Media Center streams it to my xbox360 so that is not a issue.

Oh, have you been able to find any forums for Sony Vegas particularly that have tutorials and such. I tried but don't really see anything forum based. Lots of videos though.

Thanks.
 

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Hey sup Kaido, as you already know I also got a hf200 and I'm happy so far. As far as Sony Vegas, it is good to. There are quite a bit of tutorials on youtube if you need some help with that software. Most likely you already know everything by now but I thought I should share anyways since I've been learning Sony Vegas also lately and hope to do so even more since I just finished my last exam.


Now my favourite part, this is where I pick your brain. What format do you render in after editing? What format do you recommend if I plan to burn the files to DVD later on to give to family? As far as playing of computer, anything works for me cause Media Center streams it to my xbox360 so that is not a issue.

Oh, have you been able to find any forums for Sony Vegas particularly that have tutorials and such. I tried but don't really see anything forum based. Lots of videos though.

Thanks.

Ahh lucky, my finals aren't until next month!

The format you render in after editing depends on your final destination. For example, going to iPod is a different format than going to DVD. What I've been doing lately is exporting the project as a 1080p Bluray file (I think the extension is .M4V or something), then I have a finished, full-HD file I can work with, then use Handbrake to convert that HD file into the destination file:

http://handbrake.fr/

At work I output to DVD movie, iPad format (1024x768), and network playback. It's nice having a 1080p "master" to work from because then I don't have to export from the Vegas project everytime, I just have to transcode from the master - just a bit easier to manage and play with settings that way. If you need an easy way to get movies onto DVD, check out DVD Flick (free):

http://www.dvdflick.net/

You can use pretty much whatever file format you want with DVD Flick. DVD resolution is 720x480 FYI. You'll have to burn through a few discs to play with the settings until you like them, but that's a nice workflow for making it easy to output to multiple playback systems (having a rendered master file).

As far as training goes, I've just been going through the e-manual that came with Vegas. It's not very exciting, but it is pretty informative. Start reading like 5 pages a day with breakfast and you'll burn through it in a few months time. Other than that I haven't really found much outside of Youtube either.
 

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Upgraded to a Core i7 on my Hackintosh. It's fab-u-lous! I give it HD content and it's all like nom nom nom :awe:

Did a lot of shooting outdoors today. Didn't think to bring my rocket air blower or lens paper. Have crap on the lens for about 70% of the shots So FYI - (1) make yourself a packing checklist, and (2) don't forget stuff to clean your lens off!! lol. Check it periodically, because I totally didn't notice on the tiny 3" LCD screen. Oye!
 

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Hi Kaido,

I ended up going with the HF200, and I have to say that I do not regret the purchase. Thank you so more for the advice in helping me downselect to a camera.

I now have enough recorded video that I am ready to cut my first DVD. I am using my PC for workflow and have Windows Movie Maker installed (I like the simplicity of Microsoft's tool).

I noticed on Movie Maker, there is an option to "Capture from video device." I assume this is to transcode my recorded video on the camera to editable files on my PC, from which I can build a video and then record to DVD in playback format? Is this correct?

Also any words of warning on the format that Movie Maker uses, or is it a 6 of one, half a dozen of the other decision? I may upgrade to a more robust video editing tool in the future, but for now, I am comfortable with Movie Maker for what I need to do.

Similarly, would you recommend I archive and save my footage in its recorded format so that I have the flexibility to use it later under a different tool?
 

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Hi Kaido,

I ended up going with the HF200, and I have to say that I do not regret the purchase. Thank you so more for the advice in helping me downselect to a camera.

I now have enough recorded video that I am ready to cut my first DVD. I am using my PC for workflow and have Windows Movie Maker installed (I like the simplicity of Microsoft's tool).

I noticed on Movie Maker, there is an option to "Capture from video device." I assume this is to transcode my recorded video on the camera to editable files on my PC, from which I can build a video and then record to DVD in playback format? Is this correct?

Also any words of warning on the format that Movie Maker uses, or is it a 6 of one, half a dozen of the other decision? I may upgrade to a more robust video editing tool in the future, but for now, I am comfortable with Movie Maker for what I need to do.

Similarly, would you recommend I archive and save my footage in its recorded format so that I have the flexibility to use it later under a different tool?

Nice! I've been using the HF200 at work over the past couple of months and I'm really enjoying it. Everyone is astounded that a $600 camcorder can put out that kind of image quality.

In Movie Maker, "Capture from video device" typically means that you plug in a USB or Firewire camera and import from something like a MiniDV tape, where you have to capture the video as it's being played back from the camcorder. Transcoding is a separate function from capturing - modern digital cameras use files on a Flash card or small internal hard drive, so all you have to do is copy the files to your desktop and then transcode. The premier tool for transcoding AVCHD is VoltaicHD ($35):

http://www.shedworx.com/voltaichd

The nice thing, aside from being pretty cheap, is that it can do batch files, so you can just load up the files from your card and batch convert them overnight or whatever. Also, VoltaicHD doesn't require the card's structure to be intact like some other programs do, so you can just use the actual recorded files without needing the reference stuff on the card.

As far as file types go, I would try either an AVI, MPG, or WMV. See what works best for you (what looks best outputted to DVD) and what is fastest to encode using VoltaicHD.

For backup, I use ImgBurn:

http://www.imgburn.com/

It's a free CD/DVD burning program that also does ISO files, which are copies of disks into a single file. It has a feature that lets you convert a folder to an ISO, so you can basically select your Flash memory card and dump the entire thing into a single ISO file and then throw that on your backup drive to access anytime you want to. To read the ISO file, I use Pismo File Mount:

http://www.pismotechnic.com/download/

This is a free program that lets you read ISO files as folders, so you can just right-click the ISO file and select "Quick Mount" and it temporarily converts the ISO into a folder that you can browse with any program (including Explorer). This is convenient because storing files as an ISO means that you keep 100% of your card's data intact and it's fast and easy to transfer to another drive, and easy to use later with Pismo when you want to access those files.

At work, I have a 2TB hard drive (dual 2TB in RAID 1, which mirrors each other) that I store my ISO files on. So when I'm done shooting, I simply use ImgBurn to create an ISO of my SD card, then copy that ISO to my backup drive for safe-keeping. I shoot on 16gb cards, which holds about an hour of footage, so a 2TB drive lets me hold about 115 hours of footage (a 2TB drive formats out to about 1862 gigs of space). I just dump all my ISO's in a folder called Video Backup and then rename them to the date with a short description. For example, "4-June-2010 - Drill Press Training.iso". Then I can scroll to the date and quickly find the footage I need by name. Or you could do "31-May-2010 - Kids Birthday Party.iso" or something. Real easy.
 

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Also, I would HIGHLY recommend Sony Vegas for PC:

http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/vegaspro

It's $599 and includes the following:

http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/vegaspro/compare

+ Great video editor
+ Native AVCHD editing (no transcoding!!)
+ DVD authoring
+ Bluray authoring
+ 5.1 surround-sound authoring

It's basically the whole package. The price is really great for what you get. I prefer editing in Final Cut Pro on my Mac, but my work is a PC-only shop, plus Final Cut Pro doesn't offer native AVCHD editing, which would really slow down my workflow at work. So definitely look into Sony Vegas Pro in the future!
 

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In Movie Maker, "Capture from video device" typically means that you plug in a USB or Firewire camera and import from something like a MiniDV tape, where you have to capture the video as it's being played back from the camcorder. Transcoding is a separate function from capturing - modern digital cameras use files on a Flash card or small internal hard drive, so all you have to do is copy the files to your desktop and then transcode. The premier tool for transcoding AVCHD is VoltaicHD ($35):
http://www.shedworx.com/voltaichd
Thanks Kaido. I literally assumed that I could simply attach my camcorder via USB and transfer files from it the same as I would my digital camera. I am able to explore the folders on the camcorder, but do not see anything even resembling a video file. Assuming this means I will require a utility to transfer my videos to PC.

My HF200 came with a utility called Pixela. How does that compare to VoltaicHD?
 

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Thanks Kaido. I literally assumed that I could simply attach my camcorder via USB and transfer files from it the same as I would my digital camera. I am able to explore the folders on the camcorder, but do not see anything even resembling a video file. Assuming this means I will require a utility to transfer my videos to PC.

My HF200 came with a utility called Pixela. How does that compare to VoltaicHD?

Yeah, no one does a very good job of having clear inputs and outputs for video files. Instead of "capture from device", it should be import files, convert files, record from tape, etc. etc. Oh well. Just one of those things you have to learn the lingo for, I guess.

I haven't used Pixela before and am not familiar with what it does. VoltaicHD is simply a file converter. Basically, the HF200 records in AVCHD format (same as Bluray discs), which makes a very efficient recording and playback format, but not a very good editing format - computers aren't powerful enough yet to do that natively. Sony Vegas and some other apps have some workarounds that let you do cuts and stuff without transcoding, but for anything else, you need to transcode (convert) the file into a format your video editing program likes to use. So:

1. HF200 records to AVCHD
2. Movie Maker likes AVI/WMV/WMA/MPG, so you use VoltaicHD to convert AVCHD into one of those formats
3. You edit the movie in Movie Maker and then export to the format of your choice (DVD, Youtube, etc.)

So VoltaicHD acts as the middleman, whose job it is to convert the video file into something your video editor can talk to. Pixela looks like it's kind of a Movie Maker-style application:

http://www.pixela.co.jp/oem/canon/e/pixela_application_disc_ver30/index.html

For basic editing it might be pretty good. Play with it and see how it compares to Movie Maker for editing and report back!
 

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Thanks Kaido. We are still debating whether we will do our video editing on a Mac or PC. I was digging around on the Shedworx website, but wanted to make sure I understand this correctly:

If I want to convert AVCHD to a format for editing on a PC, go with Voltaic.
If I want to convert AVCHD to a format for editing on a Mac, go with Flamingo
 

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Thanks Kaido. We are still debating whether we will do our video editing on a Mac or PC. I was digging around on the Shedworx website, but wanted to make sure I understand this correctly:

If I want to convert AVCHD to a format for editing on a PC, go with Voltaic.
If I want to convert AVCHD to a format for editing on a Mac, go with Flamingo

I just recently bought a Sony AVCHD camcorder and have found Sony Vegas Movie Studio HD ($40) to be a great editing program. It's full-featured and allows you to directly edit AVCHD files from your camcorder. I just attach the camera and drag the files from the drive to the appropriate folder and then open the clips in movie studio. Once I'm done playing with the video, adding music and such, I just choose the output file type and hit "make movie". Easy as pie, once you get used to the interface. It's definitely more complex than Windows Movie Maker, but it allows for much more flexibility in editing.
 

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Thanks Kaido. We are still debating whether we will do our video editing on a Mac or PC. I was digging around on the Shedworx website, but wanted to make sure I understand this correctly:

If I want to convert AVCHD to a format for editing on a PC, go with Voltaic.
If I want to convert AVCHD to a format for editing on a Mac, go with Flamingo

Nope, you'll want Voltaic for Mac too for conversion. Flamingo is simply a "photo album" for video for Mac - a handy way of organizing all of your digital video footage. It's a separate program from Voltaic.
 

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I just recently bought a Sony AVCHD camcorder and have found Sony Vegas Movie Studio HD ($40) to be a great editing program. It's full-featured and allows you to directly edit AVCHD files from your camcorder. I just attach the camera and drag the files from the drive to the appropriate folder and then open the clips in movie studio. Once I'm done playing with the video, adding music and such, I just choose the output file type and hit "make movie". Easy as pie, once you get used to the interface. It's definitely more complex than Windows Movie Maker, but it allows for much more flexibility in editing.

Yeah - and really, if you can edit in Movie Maker, you can pick Vegas up pretty quickly. If you spend an hour or so browsing through the interface and some video tutorials or the manual, it'll come fast.
 
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