Kamala vs the Orange Felon - Presidential Race 2024 - Polls, News, Etc...

[Muse]

So who's got there Harris Walz swag?

Got the car magnet on my car since last week. I picked up ,la buttons and started giving them away. And of course I have some t-shirts. Including a Harris Walz obviously shirt.

I don't yet, don't know where to get any, but practically everybody's gonna vote for Harris/Walz around here. I still have my Clinton/Kaine sticker on my back bumper. I'm in Berkeley, CA, where Kamala's parents met while going to grad school at Cal. I've been hiking daily and pass close to the residence where Kamala spent the first year of her life on Regent St., Berkeley. Daily the last week or so I've walked past this car, a lady was seated in it today and I congratulated her. It's a Scion xB, was parked about a mile from Kamala's first residence. I don't know how they did this, it looks absolutely perfect.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

I don't yet, don't know where to get any, but practically everybody's gonna vote for Harris/Walz around here. I still have my Clinton/Kaine sticker on my back bumper. I'm in Berkeley, CA, where Kamala's parents met going to grad school at Cal. I've been hiking daily and pass close to the residence where Kamala spent the first year of her life on Regent St., Berkeley. Daily the last week or so I've walked past this car, a lady was seated in it today and I congratulated her. It's a Scion xB, was parked about a mile from Kamala's first residence. I don't know how they did this, it looks absolutely perfect.

Probably should block out the plate number

 

[fskimospy]

Took a break from politics for the past month or so. My timing sucks I guess.

So what is your current view?

 

[Muse]

Probably should block out the plate number

Why and how? TBH, IIRC I have never seen a Trump bumper sticker in my life in person. Or a MAGA hat! It's that BLUE around here. I can't imagine that anything's going to happen by this being shown, but show me a Windows utility I can use to block the plate number and I'll do it and replace the one shown.

Edit: I cut out the plate!

 

[MrSquished]

Why and how? TBH, IIRC I have never seen a Trump bumper sticker in my life in person. Or a MAGA hat! It's that BLUE around here. I can't imagine that anything's going to happen by this being shown, but show me a Windows utility I can use to block the plate number and I'll do it and replace the one shown.

Just use paint and paint over the plate.

 

[MrSquished]

I watched the Obamas' speeches just before her's. I think that dampened my impression of her's a bit. But I thought it was pretty good and hit the important parts. But man I miss Obama.

I mean that was it Michelle's speech was one of the greatest speeches of the last few decades. Obama was not too far behind, but not as good.

Kamala did very well if you didn't do what you did and watch in that order, but I get it. But her speaking skills are on point. I saw some linguistic speech analyst break down and all the things that worked for me, are skills she has learned.

I think Kamala will be a more progressive president than Obama if she wins this year with a democratic congress. She understands the enemy better.

 

[nakedfrog]

We've got a couple ,La signs in the neighborhood, a Veterans for Harris sign, a generic Harris 2024 sign... no Trump signs that I've seen yet, I wasn't in this neighborhood in 2020 but I heard there were some here (and based on perusing the yard sale offerings, I've seen a few people selling conservative shill books).

 

[Indus]

Some interesting points here..

Kamala Harris is not going back to the failed politics of 2016

She's good at this. And her speech was a shift away from Clintonian politics — and from wokeness.

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Kamala Harris is not going back to the failed politics of 2016​

She's good at this. And her speech was a shift away from Clintonian politics​

the difference between a good speech and an excellent speech may not mean that much in terms of immediate impact in the polls. But it suggested a strategically smart campaign, one that really wants to win and has a plan

Kamala Harris is approximately 1000x better at the stagecraft of politics than Hillary Clinton ever was



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The theme of Harris’s speech was “we’re not fucking around”​

how often did Harris say the word “woman”? Just once, in reference to her mother — “my mother was a brilliant, five-foot-tall brown woman with an accent” — and in the context of a classic American story of an immigrant’s desire to assimilate into her new country. There was none of the breaking-the-glass-ceiling stuff of Clinton 2016 — because Harris didn’t need to say it.

And there was optimism, a quality that is sometimes in short supply among Democrats and completely absent in the Matrix of Intersectional Oppression. In fact, Harris turned some woke tropes 180 degrees around: it’s Republicans who are pessimists, who are weird and unpatriotic

This was a remarkable speech, in the sense of being both very good and unusual.. a relatively short runtime — 38 minutes — forming a contrast not only to Clinton’s 57 minutes in 2016 but even more pointedly to Trump’s 92-minute speech in Milwaukee last month.

Hillary Clinton was an awful candidate. And Hillary Clinton almost beat Donald Trump, coming 80,000 votes away in Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and Michigan. Kamala Harris is a much better politician. Surely she can get over the bar?

Unfortunately for Democrats, it’s not quite that simple, because Trump is actually quite a bit more popular than he was in 2016 so the bar is higher. But instead of Clinton’s complacency, Democrats have a candidate who knows she has a fight on her hands, and the instincts to go for the jugular.

 

[Zorba]

Mob rule is the best. What could go wrong?

The filibuster should go back to what it was intended for though: rare, critical situations. It shouldn't be easy, it shouldn't be routine, it shouldn't be common. And it shouldn't be allowed when just one rogue player wants to put a wrench in the gears. But, it does serve a critical purpose.

The filibuster is why we still have the EC. Maybe it has been used for good once, but for the most part it's been horrible.

 

[Zorba]

I don't have a sense of her campaign in 2020. There were many high level Democrats vying for the nomination. I heard recently that she ended her bid because they ran out of money. That would kill any campaign.

I knew about her history. She's a trailblazer (in multiple ways), her mom was instrumental instilling that. She's made quantum leaps several times. From prosecutor to district attorney to state attorney general to senator to Vice President (and, IIRC, she's never lost a race!). Those all require redefining yourself. Her quickly rising to the occasion as presumptive and then actual nominee can be seen as that once again. I have not been surprised in the least that she's surpassing people's expectations and if she wins, I would not be surprised if she simply amazes in her capacity as POTUS.

I think she had a hard time making a case for herself over the numerous other middle of the road Dems. She also got a lot of crap about being a prosecutor and she tried to run away from it. Out of the gate she was my horse, but she just fell flat.

 

[Zorba]

We've got a couple ,La signs in the neighborhood, a Veterans for Harris sign, a generic Harris 2024 sign... no Trump signs that I've seen yet, I wasn't in this neighborhood in 2020 but I heard there were some here (and based on perusing the yard sale offerings, I've seen a few people selling conservative shill books).

My neighborhood already has multiple Trump flags and the one neighbor brave enough to put a Harris sign out had it stolen.

 

[gothuevos]

So what is your current view?

It's going to be close, as it always was. I still think Trump is probably ever so slightly favored as all polls historically have underestimated his support. The RFK thing is hard to determine but likely helps him.

 

[dlerious]

I think she had a hard time making a case for herself over the numerous other middle of the road Dems. She also got a lot of crap about being a prosecutor and she tried to run away from it. Out of the gate she was my horse, but she just fell flat.

I thought I read that Tulsi Gabbard was being used by Trump for debate prep, so some of the prosecutor stuff will probably come up.

 

[fskimospy]

It's going to be close, as it always was. I still think Trump is probably ever so slightly favored as all polls historically have underestimated his support. The RFK thing is hard to determine but likely helps him.

Why do you think your posting frequency changed over the last few months?

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

"Surely she can get over the bar?"

Nobody has had to deal with the currently stacked deck in Elections offices and state legislatures before.

 

[MrSquished]

Being on threads which is mostly free of MAGA, now there is the very loud radical insane left that distort reality, spout nonsense, move goal posts, etc..mostly about the Gaza/Israel situation. They are as nutso as MAGA about cognitive dissonance just from the other side. It feels like talking to MAGA when you talk to them.

 

[Muse]

My neighborhood already has multiple Trump flags and the one neighbor brave enough to put a Harris sign out had it stolen.

That sucks. Around here a lot of people put their signs behind the windows in front of the house. Not because they'd be stolen or vandalized, but, I suppose, to protect them from the weather. Signs like Black Lives Matter, signs disavowing hate. Behind windows works here because lots are small, you can see the windows from the sidewalk.

 

[alien42]

Being on threads which is mostly free of MAGA, now there is the very loud radical insane left that distort reality, spout nonsense, move goal posts, etc..mostly about the Gaza/Israel situation. They are as nutso as MAGA about cognitive dissonance just from the other side. It feels like talking to MAGA when you talk to them.

That doesn't surprise me, but that contingent is tiny compared to the magats.

 

[Indus]

My neighborhood already has multiple Trump flags and the one neighbor brave enough to put a Harris sign out had it stolen.

I was going to get an inspection for my vehicle but once I saw a Trump sign.. I said to myself nevermind I'll find another place.

I vote with my wallet too!

 

[alien42]

My neighborhood already has multiple Trump flags and the one neighbor brave enough to put a Harris sign out had it stolen.

My neighborhood is the exact opposite, a single magat with all kinds of crazy shit, but no one messes with their stuff.

 

[Muse]

I was going to get an inspection for my vehicle but once I saw a Trump sign.. I said to myself nevermind I'll find another place.

I vote with my wallet too!

I don't know what kind of inspection you were looking to get. If just a smog certification, that's one thing, but if you wanted to find out what kind of shape your car is in, you want someone who has integrity. Having a Trump sign out would tell me all I'd need to know.

Just-retired plumber friend of mine failed at fixing my vexing kitchen faucet problem and suggested calling a plumber he knew who would be apt to be cheaper than other plumbers I might find. I probed him and he said this guy watches Fox News. That was it, I wasn't going to let him in my house. I told him "how smart can he be if he watches Fox News?"

I got what I figured was a good bid on some tricky tree issues a few months ago. I talked to the guy, he was amazing, but he said he'd voted Republican his whole life. I asked him if he was going to vote for Trump and he said no, but I wasn't convinced.

 

[RalphTheCow]

I was going to get an inspection for my vehicle but once I saw a Trump sign.. I said to myself nevermind I'll find another place.

I vote with my wallet too!

One of my previously favorite farm stands has its sign filled with right wing diatribes. Have not been back since. I can’t believe he is still open, so I guess there are some normal people still patronizing him, which surprises me a little.

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

Saw a sign on a small house 'Eggs, $2.00". Pulled into the driveway, then saw the signs for the Orangutan. Turned around and left.

Was in a local auto upholstery shop getting a headliner replaced. Junky little hole in the wall, but they seem to do good works and are always busy. Work was mostly done (had to wait for it it before I could drive home due to the distance). Some other customer came in a they all started talking up the Orangutan. Guy doing the work made the comment .... '80 million votes for Joe and I've never met a one of them'. I held my tongue since I needed the job done. Odd thing is, that all over that town, the Joe signs outweighed the Orangutan signs about 3 or 4 to 1, so apparently this guy wasn't all too aware of his neighbors.

 

[Stokely]

Holy crap, I've said it before, but living in a red state having even a bumper sticker for not-Trump I'd fear getting keyed or worse. That car up there might have some issues here even in suburbia, in the sticks forget it.

I've seen, and continue to see, cars and (more often) trucks covered with Trump stickers. On my way to last night's gig my gps took me on some back roads due to an accident on the interstate and I passed a big....shrine?...to trump made out of wood with giant painted letters out by the road. It's probably been there for years. I felt a bit like I was riding down the river in Apocalypse Now... Then got behind a truck with the ok-symbol white supremacy icon on the back, nice. I love the country--but I wouldn't get along well with a lot of the people in it.

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

^^^^ We got those big round hay bales with his name of face painted on them.