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Meghan54

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Another Great Depression would likely lower prices generally too though! Really just wins all around.

It reminds me of how conservatives frequently talk about how gas was like $1.50 a gallon in 2020 without noting that the method to achieve that was a global pandemic virus.

Remember, the price was low for only two months.

The average gas price during the Trump administration was over $2.50. It was $2.41 when he took office, $2.45 when he left. Was significantly higher than the hamster brained cons seem to think.

The low was $1.87.
 
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manly

Lifer
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My current election map thoughts:

- Looking like fracking ban history (and not picking Shapiro) may very well be the margin of loss in Pennsylvania for Harris, she is being hammered in north western Pennsylvania again for those past statements in ads, and it will cost the Democrats a lot of votes there that will be hard to replace. PA has rapidly grown to become the 2nd largest producer of natural gas, behind only Texas.

- And Netanyahu / Gaza (partially enflamed by Russian bots) may lose Michigan for Harris, even though Trump is in every possible way far worse for Palestinians.

Leaving Dems needing to take 4 out of 5 of Wisconsin, North Carolina, Georgia, Arizona, and Nevada. Not that they should give up on Michigan or Pennsylvania, but both look to be right on the edge and more likely than not to flip red.

Dems really need to hammer the airwaves on Trump/abortion/Roe "I did that", which Trump is trying to now run away golfcart from for very good reason.
REALLY?

How did ignoring the Rust Belt and trying to expand the map work out for Hillary? (I realize you're not advocating for that strategy.)
It is questionable to now say PA and MI are likely to flip, and most credible people don't think Harris can win the EC without sweeping the Rust Belt trio. Based on current polling averages, winning PA+MI is still more likely than AZ+NC, but it's all within margin of error.*

Reality is that Dems were about 5 points down across all the battleground states in mid July, and now are roughly tied or up by a small gap.

Right now it's still looking like a coin flip and those who are predicting an Obama-style wave need to put down their rose-colored glasses for a bit.

* According to 538, Harris holds about a 2% lead in both PA and MI, while AZ and NC are effectively tied.
 
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alien42

Lifer
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REALLY?

How did ignoring the Rust Belt and trying to expand the map work out for Hillary? (I realize you're not advocating for that strategy.)
It is questionable to now say PA and MI are likely to flip, and most credible people don't think Harris can win the EC without sweeping the Rust Belt trio. Based on current polling averages, winning PA+MI is still more likely than AZ+NC, but it's all within margin of error.*

Reality is that Dems were about 5 points down across all the battleground states in mid July, and now are roughly tied or up by a small gap.

Right now it's still looking like a coin flip and those who are predicting an Obama-style wave need to put down their rose-colored glasses for a bit.

* According to 538, Harris holds about a 2% lead in both PA and MI, while AZ and NC are effectively tied.
No mention of GA, which could easily determine the outcome of this election?
 

[DHT]Osiris

Lifer
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For example about 25% of NYC's public school students live in temporary housing, without which they would be homeless. That's pretty different from being middle class.
I dunno, ask an average 90%er how far they are from living in temporary housing.
 

QueBert

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Jan 6, 2002
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This interview is ridiculous. Non stop attempting to get a gotcha moment. Dana legit questioned Tim walz if we can trust him because they didn't get IVF but an IUI. What the actual fuck

I heard a rumor that he puts KETCHUP on his Hot Dogs! Just wait until the GOP & MAGA get ahold of this. He'll be done for politically.

It really was a pretty stupid interview but I thought she handled it very well.

The worst part to me was they basically asked Walz 3 questions just trying to get him in a "gotcha" moment about how he worded stuff. I mean she even asked if the American people should be worried about trusting him because he said they went through IVF when I guess it was IUI or some other acronym. Like who gives a shit? It's all fertility treatment. He probably said IVF because that is the common one everyone knows.

It's like questioning him for saying he used a Kleenex to blow his nose when it was the store brand tissue paper. Who gives a flying fuck?
But what if he said Kleenex, and he actually uses paper towels? We can't have liars like this in the white house. If he'll lie about a Kleenex he'll lie about anything.
 
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manly

Lifer
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No mention of GA, which could easily determine the outcome of this election?
I mentioned it vaguely; across the Rust Belt, Sun Belt, and NC battleground states, Harris has on average a very small lead. And we should be honest; if you're up by 1 point, then you're basically tied, no matter how lackluster of a campaign DJT is currently running.

Momentum is great and I'd like to be optimistic about the win, but it's way too early to celebrate; or conversely to state that PA+MI are leaning towards Trump so we need to draw up a different kind of map.

PA is the "tipping point" state in many Electoral College prediction models. Another way of putting this is there are more scenarios where Harris can lose GA, but still win the election. There are few scenarios where Harris loses PA, but wins the election.

FWIW Joe Biden won MI by almost 3% in 2020. That's not huge, but it's comfortable. If Harris loses both PA and MI, she loses the election.
 

fskimospy

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Depends on where they live, that bar might be too high though, how about 80-100k for household? That's around 85th percentile.
There is nowhere in this country where someone making $200k is in danger of homelessness unless they’ve made some seriously bad life choices. I live in one of the most expensive zip codes in the US and you can live here perfectly fine on $200k.

From a quick check here $100k seems to be about the 62nd percentile. (Although it’s not like I researched this site’s accuracy)

 

Amused

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Trump says he opposes Florida amendment granting right to abortion

Former president Donald Trump in an interview Friday voiced opposition to a ballot initiative that would make abortion legal in Florida until fetal viability. His remarks came a day after he criticized Florida’s six-week abortion ban for being overly restrictive. Trump is holding a rally in Johnstown, Pa. After the rally, he plans to appear at a national summit in Washington of Moms for Liberty, a conservative parental rights organization that has advocated removing mentions of LGBTQ+ identity and structural racism from school classrooms.

WTF?​

 

Stokely

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It's simple. Trump is for abortion, RvW was killed under his watch. If that wins, or loses, the election for him so be it.

He also knows that his cultist followers will still vote for him even if he said he was going to make Abortion legal across the nation again. He's trying for mushy middlers, and it's up to the Democrats to keep pounding on the ads pointing out what he is responsible for.

Moms for liberty can take a bus into a deep retention pond. What a disingenuous hateful bunch of walking shitpiles.
 

fskimospy

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Trump says he opposes Florida amendment granting right to abortion​

Former president Donald Trump in an interview Friday voiced opposition to a ballot initiative that would make abortion legal in Florida until fetal viability. His remarks came a day after he criticized Florida’s six-week abortion ban for being overly restrictive. Trump is holding a rally in Johnstown, Pa. After the rally, he plans to appear at a national summit in Washington of Moms for Liberty, a conservative parental rights organization that has advocated removing mentions of LGBTQ+ identity and structural racism from school classrooms.​

WTF?​

What is confusing here?

I will never understand this. He lies about everything. If he says something that is confusing to you it’s because he is lying.
 

K1052

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Lol he bullshitted a little bit too much about maybe voting yes without exactly saying that but the pro-lifers got mad and let him have it so now you get this of course.
 
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Muse

Lifer
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I heard a rumor that he puts KETCHUP on his Hot Dogs! Just wait until the GOP & MAGA get ahold of this. He'll be done for politically.


But what if he said Kleenex, and he actually uses paper towels? We can't have liars like this in the white house. If he'll lie about a Kleenex he'll lie about anything.
Hey, never tried that. I would today, but no hot dogs in the house, Dang.

I don't buy Kleenex (or tissue paper) anymore. I DO have paper towels, and use them sparingly. If I have to blow my nose, I use good old fashioned handkerchiefs, which I can throw in the laundry (a hanky to a nose feels better). Tim was dynamite in Savannah!
 
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hal2kilo

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Trump says he opposes Florida amendment granting right to abortion​

Former president Donald Trump in an interview Friday voiced opposition to a ballot initiative that would make abortion legal in Florida until fetal viability. His remarks came a day after he criticized Florida’s six-week abortion ban for being overly restrictive. Trump is holding a rally in Johnstown, Pa. After the rally, he plans to appear at a national summit in Washington of Moms for Liberty, a conservative parental rights organization that has advocated removing mentions of LGBTQ+ identity and structural racism from school classrooms.​

WTF?​

You think Trump has any actual convictions. It's either he sticks his finger in the air, or the last person that gave him the idea phrased him. Although at this point, the anti choice people are probably trying to tell him they won't show up if he doesn't vote for the FL measure.
 

Muse

Lifer
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It was a very nice way to say why are you asking me this stupid fucking question.
She should shun any advances for interviews from persons who are going to be stupid or mining for gotchas. That attitude should serve Democrats well.
 
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Fenixgoon

Lifer
Jun 30, 2003
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She should shun any advances for interviews from persons who are going to be stupid or mining for gotchas. That attitude should serve Democrats well.
The double-standard machine will say they're divisive or combative or mean or not willing to take "hard questions"
Yeah, because that's a serious question. GTFO. I wish Harris could have said something like "I'm happy to answer a real question", but we live in double-standard land...
 

Dave_5k

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Didn't watch, which identity were they seeking - job title, pronouns, gender, race? What do any of those , other than the first, have to do with running the country?
Harris refused to bite on CNN interviewer trying to agitate a response by quoting an outrageous and insulting Trump lie about her race (that she recently "happened to turn black").

Her actual response was "Same old tired playbook. Next question please".

But Politico turned that quite appropriate answer around into an outright negative attack ad on Harris with that misleading headline ~ which is the "wtf" moment.
 

Zorba

Lifer
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'I go to work, therefore I'm working class!'

It reminds me of how everyone wants to define themselves as middle class even if they're making like $300k a year.
I think that is because there is no term for moderately rich, besides maybe "well off." But no survey includes that. Someone making 300k is much closer to middle class than the true rich.
 
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