Kamala vs the Orange Felon - Presidential Race 2024 - Polls, News, Etc...

[nakedfrog]

Yeah I called em on their independent bullshit!

Uh... is that what you think happened there? You think any independent anywhere is voting on a Newsmax poll?
The Daily Caller, founded by Tucker Carlson?
Megyn Kelly, former Fox News talking head for over a decade?
These are what you think of as representation of "independents"?

 

[Indus]

Uh... is that what you think happened there? You think any independent anywhere is voting on a Newsmax poll?
The Daily Caller, founded by Tucker Carlson?
Megyn Kelly, former Fox News talking head for over a decade?
These are what you think of as representation of "independents"?

Let me tell you about independents here..

I see and meet candidates and surrogates canvassing.. and I tell them to their face.. I'm not voting for any Trump supporter or policy.

They claim they're an independent. I don't say anything back but I'm intrigued to at least research the handout flyer.

Type in their name and they're exact same maga positions and praise of Trump.

 

[Brovane]

I usually am more independent minded on voting. However this election I know what is at risk and I am all in on Harris even though I don't agree on all of her policies.

Last nights debate was the type of performance that I wanted to see from Biden during the first debate. She hit back hard and trolled him and he got visibility flustered. She worked the split screen with her facial expressions when he was spouting non-sense instead of standing their with her mouth open like Biden did. While this election isn't over and we have to fight all the way to November 5th. Trump is literally fighting for his freedom because he knows if he doesn't get elected he is going to serve some time. Let's make sure that happens.

 

[dullard]

Let me tell you about independents here..

I see and meet candidates and surrogates canvassing.. and I tell them to their face.. I'm not voting for any Trump supporter or policy.

They claim they're an independent. I don't say anything back but I'm intrigued to at least research the handout flyer.

Type in their name and they're exact same maga positions and praise of Trump.

Simply put, if they are canvassing the area, they are almost guaranteed not to be independents.

Try talking to an actual independent who isn't working for a specific candidate or a specific party. I believe that I have voted for 4 different political parties (including multiple parties for president), usually splitting the ticket in at least some way each time I vote. I have never been all-in for any candidate or any party. I see virtues and flaws in all of them. To me, that makes me independent.

In an actual poll of people watching the debate, Harris "won" by 53% and Trump "won" by 34%. https://substack.com/inbox/post/148756500 I'd like to see how that shows up in the actual national (and more importantly) swing state polls.

Or if you want to look at a recent national poll, Harris is up 50% to 48% in likely: https://substack.com/@socaldata/p-147894175 That means there are 2% of voters not currently planning on voting for either candidate (that is, they are independent). If you look at the same poll at registered voters, another 2% just aren't likely to vote at all.

Note: my political beliefs of a left-leaning libertarian are basically the exact opposite of Trump (right-leaning authoritarian).

 

[brycejones]

Let me tell you about independents here..

I see and meet candidates and surrogates canvassing.. and I tell them to their face.. I'm not voting for any Trump supporter or policy.

They claim they're an independent. I don't say anything back but I'm intrigued to at least research the handout flyer.

Type in their name and they're exact same maga positions and praise of Trump.

LOLOLOL

Indus - independents are surrogates canvassing for a candidate.

That's almost Trumpian in its logical failings

 

[Stokely]

I usually am more independent minded on voting. However this election I know what is at risk and I am all in on Harris even though I don't agree on all of her policies.

Last nights debate was the type of performance that I wanted to see from Biden during the first debate. She hit back hard and trolled him and he got visibility flustered. She worked the split screen with her facial expressions when he was spouting non-sense instead of standing their with her mouth open like Biden did. While this election isn't over and we have to fight all the way to November 5th. Trump is literally fighting for his freedom because he knows if he doesn't get elected he is going to serve some time. Let's make sure that happens.

Nothing wrong with lesser evil IMO. It's how we all live our lives. We don't expect a blissful experience when picking a route home during rush hour, we pick the one that is the least awful.

I doubt I'll ever agree on all policies from any politician, nor fully be on board with anyone that can succeed in the morass that is our (or any) political system.

I'd never vote 3rd party unless that party has a chance to win (they don't) or there'd be some lasting impact from that vote (there isn't).

So my voting decisions--other than for local amendments which can be convoluted--have been simple and easy for about 30 years. One party does far, far more that I very strongly disagree with, so bam their opponent gets it.

 

[dullard]

I'd never vote 3rd party unless that party has a chance to win (they don't) or there'd be some lasting impact from that vote (there isn't).

There can be a lasting impact even if a 3rd party doesn't win. In order to be on the ballet, on the debate stage, etc. in the next election, the 3rd parties need to cross various thresholds in the current election. That is to say, that the only way to break away from your lesser of two evils situation is to have enough 3rd party votes in the PREVIOUS election.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Nothing wrong with lesser evil IMO. It's how we all live our lives. We don't expect a blissful experience when picking a route home during rush hour, we pick the one that is the least awful.

I doubt I'll ever agree on all policies from any politician, nor fully be on board with anyone that can succeed in the morass that is our (or any) political system.

I'd never vote 3rd party unless that party has a chance to win (they don't) or there'd be some lasting impact from that vote (there isn't).

So my voting decisions--other than for local amendments which can be convoluted--have been simple and easy for about 30 years. One party does far, far more that I very strongly disagree with, so bam their opponent gets it.

That’s the way to think of it. Getting something is far better than getting nothing.

 

[manly]

He's rich. Maybe he meant buy a child. Like adopt....

The intent was clear but if you want to be very generous, Elon has so many kids he doesn't care about, he could mean he'd give her one of them. That's not impossible, just like it's not impossible that DJT is the least racist person of anyone.

LOLOLOL

Indus - independents are surrogates canvassing for a candidate.

That's almost Trumpian in its logical failings

Indus says outrageously dumb shit every single day. He just has to be trolling us, right?

 

[nakedfrog]

Nothing wrong with lesser evil IMO. It's how we all live our lives. We don't expect a blissful experience when picking a route home during rush hour, we pick the one that is the least awful.

I doubt I'll ever agree on all policies from any politician, nor fully be on board with anyone that can succeed in the morass that is our (or any) political system.

I'd never vote 3rd party unless that party has a chance to win (they don't) or there'd be some lasting impact from that vote (there isn't).

So my voting decisions--other than for local amendments which can be convoluted--have been simple and easy for about 30 years. One party does far, far more that I very strongly disagree with, so bam their opponent gets it.

I did lots of 3rd party voting when I lived in Nebraska (other than 2004, when I lived in the district where it might actually matter).

 

[cytg111]

Ufff... the triggering in MAGA land over this 1-2 (debate-swift) TKO is so delicious it almost gets me hard.

F YOU TAYLOR SWIFT - End quote.

*GIVE ME MORE*....

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Ufff... the triggering in MAGA land over this 1-2 (debate-swift) TKO is so delicious it almost gets me hard.

F YOU TAYLOR SWIFT - End quote.

*GIVE ME MORE*....

What a weird reaction, she’s pissed because the former President was down due to his debate performance and per her Taylor hit him while he was down. Weird thing to say and be upset about.
Second weird thing was FU Taylor you’re endorsing due to LGBTQ rights. Again really weird thing to say.

 

[cytg111]

SUPER weird. For sure.

 

[hal2kilo]

Ufff... the triggering in MAGA land over this 1-2 (debate-swift) TKO is so delicious it almost gets me hard.

F YOU TAYLOR SWIFT - End quote.

*GIVE ME MORE*....

Look at the potty mouth.

 

[manly]

Ufff... the triggering in MAGA land over this 1-2 (debate-swift) TKO is so delicious it almost gets me hard.

F YOU TAYLOR SWIFT - End quote.

*GIVE ME MORE*....

Was Kelly always this unhinged? She's able to make a living off of this content? LOL

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

Last nights debate was the type of performance that I wanted to see from Biden during the first debate. She hit back hard and trolled him and he got visibility flustered. She worked the split screen with her facial expressions when he was spouting non-sense instead of standing their with her mouth open like Biden did. While this election isn't over and we have to fight all the way to November 5th. Trump is literally fighting for his freedom because he knows if he doesn't get elected he is going to serve some time. Let's make sure that happens.

... and we have to fight all the way to January 20something.

 

[Amused]

If you have not like Taylor Swift's announcement, go do it here:

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[nakedfrog]

Nah, ain't gonna screw up my algorithm like that.

 

[iRONic]

It's borderline spamming in every thread, @Amused. Just sayin…

 

[Stokely]

There can be a lasting impact even if a 3rd party doesn't win. In order to be on the ballet, on the debate stage, etc. in the next election, the 3rd parties need to cross various thresholds in the current election. That is to say, that the only way to break away from your lesser of two evils situation is to have enough 3rd party votes in the PREVIOUS election.

Has that ever happened, in the last 100 years?

There haven't been any 3rd party platforms that I preferred over the Democrats in any case. I like the Libertarians better than the GOP but that's not saying that much.

I don't mind the lesser evils thing, as I say it's how we all live our lives. It's healthier than propping up candidates as heroes or like you are a fan(atic) of a favorite sports team IMO.

And looking at Britain's situation, I'm not really sure that multiple parties are necessarily better.

I see the EC and gerrymandering as bigger problems.

 

[VRAMdemon]

So cringe. He reminds me of a school shooter.

Umm Elon? You are probably the only person that isn’t living on Mars that actually covets your spooge. Every time I think Elon can’t get any weirder or creepier, he proves me wrong. How do you manage to become one of the richest people on earth and still put off constant weird gross vibes like the creepy dude at the coffee shop? You’re rich! Go throw secret weird sex parties with consenting sycophants on a yacht or something. Don’t spend your days desperately seeking approval from incel nerds on Twitter.

I guess it all makes sense now - Twitter is his yacht. To compensate for his little dinghy.

 

[BurnItDwn]

I dont know much about this Taylor Swift lady, but, I usually get along decently with Childless cat ladies so she seems like she is probably all right to me. I have heard she is some kind of musician.

 

[pmv]

I'm still unclear what's supposed to be so bad about childless cats.

 

[dlerious]

Yep gotta make it easy for him to grab the cat!

Looking at that picture, it seems she's the one grabbing him by the pussy. Have you ever seen him grin like that before? I can see both his hands, but not hers.

 

[brycejones]

The intent was clear but if you want to be very generous, Elon has so many kids he doesn't care about, he could mean he'd give her one of them. That's not impossible, just like it's not impossible that DJT is the least racist person of anyone.



Indus says outrageously dumb shit every single day. He just has to be trolling us, right?

I don't think it's tolling, ,Indus is just one of those people that is really excitable and looks to thrive on drama.