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uclaLabrat

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Probably doesn't mean a whole lot to me. Harris will probably win the popular vote means absolutely nothing to me. Who cares if she wins the popular vote, it doesn't mean she wins the Electoral College. Statistics are a parcel of data that have been analyzed. It provides useful data, it does not determine who wins an Electoral College victory given the actual rules within the Constitution.

If Harris win 60% of the popular vote, she'll probably win the Electoral College. That's great and all, but it's also possible that she wins 60% and also loses the Electoral College. I guess it's some kind of coping mechanism to look at the popular vote polling, but it sure as shit shouldn't be.

90%...71%...

And what about the last 20 years of "modern" elections?

Now it's down to 66%.

Do we want to start talking about trends too?

Polls don't matter. The popular vote doesn't matter. It's down to hundredths of a percent in swing states. I've actually done the math on that one right here on these forums. I believe it got the whistle-past-the-graveyard treatment if I remember correctly.
Nate silver did some modeling and the upper bound of "wins popular vote but loses EC" topped out around 5%, meaning Harris could be +5% and she has about a 1% probability of losing the EC. 2% PV win and it's like a coin flip in the EC. Needless to say, there aren't any scenarios worth considering in a +20% PV situation where she loses the EC. The math just don't math.
 

Meghan54

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It's not just today. I see it often in this particular forum. Very rarely is a woman mentioned where her hotness (or lack thereof) isn't mentioned. It feels increasingly gross, especially because objectifying women and (essentially) reducing their worth to how attractive they are is directly out of the Right's playbook. We're supposed to be better than that.

Look, I respect you and your posts, and I understand that this forum is basically a sausage-fest, but I feel that this needs to be called out for the betterment of our particular community.

I’m fucking 70 years old and don’t participate in your sausage-fest fantasies.

I was making a tongue-in-cheek comment about her physique vs the other dancers in the video shaking their added in the camera. Even Swift seemed to suggest this “joke” by the choreography and dancers used.

Sorry your limited imagination drew you to your mindless conclusion.

You are now unavailable to me…my first.

Cheers
 

Indus

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May 11, 2002
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This is an EMERGENCY ALERT!

Head to safety! Get cover, get out of town, take your families away from MaraLago.. Trump's gonna blow!!!

 
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MrPickins

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I’m fucking 70 years old and don’t participate in your sausage-fest fantasies.

I was making a tongue-in-cheek comment about her physique vs the other dancers in the video shaking their added in the camera. Even Swift seemed to suggest this “joke” by the choreography and dancers used.

Sorry your limited imagination drew you to your mindless conclusion.

You are now unavailable to me…my first.

Cheers
Wow. So instead of having some self reflection and an honest discussion, you stick you fingers in your ears and block me.

"It was just a joke, bro!"

My point stands, I think.

(And I've now lost a ton of respect for someone I really thought had their head on straight...)
 

manly

Lifer
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Nate silver did some modeling and the upper bound of "wins popular vote but loses EC" topped out around 5%, meaning Harris could be +5% and she has about a 1% probability of losing the EC. 2% PV win and it's like a coin flip in the EC. Needless to say, there aren't any scenarios worth considering in a +20% PV situation where she loses the EC. The math just don't math.
nah, AT forums member did his own math. 🤣
 

MrSquished

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Jan 14, 2013
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It's amazing that this simulation just keeps showing us Trumpers and the Trump party had not nearly shown us their worst, and they continue to prove their depravity is completely bottomless every damn day. Impressive.
 

MrPickins

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It's amazing that this simulation just keeps showing us Trumpers and the Trump party had not nearly shown us their worst, and they continue to prove their depravity is completely bottomless every damn day. Impressive.
I always thought "deplorables" only applied to the small minority of the far right. It seems to be more and more applicable to wide swaths of Republicans these days, though.
 

gothuevos

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Let's hope polling methodology has improved from 2016 and 2020 because this poll was Clinton +10 and Biden +8 last time around, respectively. The trend since Biden is in the right direction, but some of these numbers aren't super encouraging. Also this poll was before the second assassination attempt, unclear what effect that will have, if any.

 

MrPickins

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Hillary said that half of Trump supporters were in a "basket of deplorables" which seems still accurate if perhaps overly generous to some of them.
I suppose that's true; it's just that his supporters numbers have grown since then (to my astonishment)
 

MrPickins

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It didn't seem to change the numbers the first time, but unclear how a second "attempt" in two months changes things, or not. Uncharted waters, all of it.
If the first didn't bump his numbers where there was actual bloody fist pump pic out there, I don't see how this one will.
 
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Indus

Lifer
May 11, 2002
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It's amazing that this simulation just keeps showing us Trumpers and the Trump party had not nearly shown us their worst, and they continue to prove their depravity is completely bottomless every damn day. Impressive.

Lesson for the wise:

There are no former trumpers. Only dead Trumpers.
 

manly

Lifer
Jan 25, 2000
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JFC...all the things Trump has done and said, and being mean to her friend is the thing that decides her (if it actually does)?

Case study in just how shallow and ignorant and self-centric the American public is.
Most likely Mrs. Mahomes will quietly vote for Trump anyway. Could save her husband about 3% annually in federal income tax, so more money for her to spend.

FWIW although presidential election years and midterms are somewhat different, 538 said 2022 was the most accurate ever for pollsters:


Note that an weighted-average 5% error is about normal, since 1998.
 
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Zorba

Lifer
Oct 22, 1999
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It's not just today. I see it often in this particular forum. Very rarely is a woman mentioned where her hotness (or lack thereof) isn't mentioned. It feels increasingly gross, especially because objectifying women and (essentially) reducing their worth to how attractive they are is directly out of the Right's playbook. We're supposed to be better than that.

Look, I respect you and your posts, and I understand that this forum is basically a sausage-fest, but I feel that this needs to be called out for the betterment of our particular community.
I agree with you in general that people comment on women's looks way too much in contexts that it shouldn't come up in. But can you really be upset when men sexualize a women that has sexualized herself in a music video?
 

MrPickins

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I agree with you in general that people comment on women's looks way too much in contexts that it shouldn't come up in. But can you really be upset when men sexualize a women that has sexualized herself in a music video?
I'm not saying that comment in itself was all the egregious, more completely unnecessary in the context. Sure, she's sexualized herself, but even so, the comment wasn't germane to the discussion. Little unnecessary side comments may be innocuous on their own, but they contribute to the overall tone of the forum.

For sure there are more egregious examples, and they've been irking me for a long time now. I happened to pick this one to speak up, partially because I was under the (mistaken) impression that Meghan would want to have an actual conversation about what I feel is a pretty big issue around here.
 

Zorba

Lifer
Oct 22, 1999
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I'm not saying that comment in itself was all the egregious, more completely unnecessary in the context. Sure, she's sexualized herself, but even so, the comment wasn't germane to the discussion. Little unnecessary side comments may be innocuous on their own, but they contribute to the overall tone of the forum.

For sure there are more egregious examples, and they've been irking me for a long time now. I happened to pick this one to speak up, partially because I was under the (mistaken) impression that Meghan would want to have an actual conversation about what I feel is a pretty big issue around here.
Ah, yeah, I get what you are saying. Those little comments drive me nuts too. I usually notice it more when it about a politician or news anchor.
 
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