Kanye West's Stronger Music Video

[Josh]

Originally posted by: Taejin

Originally posted by: Josh
Kanye has admitted his love for Anime and Akira in particular. The artist who did the album work for him and some other special effect drawings is very famous in Japan for Anime artwork. It has nothing to do with him "ripping" it off because he openly admits it's the look he wanted. Just like some music videos emulate movies in a tribute or homage form.

I don't really listen to or follow Kanye, so this particular revelation is new to me.

I wasn't trying to make you sound like a fool or anything, I apologize. I don't really follow Kanye in particular, I just follow all hip-hop in general. And, Kanye & 50 Cent right now happening to be everywhere in the hip-hop news/community.

 

[Rip the Jacker]

By the way, you'd probably get ass raped by his body guards before you can even get a glimpse of him (and I don't dig Kanye that much.. but 'tis teh truth)

 

[destrekor]

Originally posted by: MrPickins
New to me....

Oh, and Daft Punk >>>>>>>>>>> Kanye West.

while very true, and the fact that I almost always despise rap/hip-hop, and loathe Kanya as a human being in general, I do enjoy this song and feel it's actually a great cut, artfully mixing in Daft Punk's original into his music.

oh, and no clue what Akira is, besides what Wiki tells me is a Manga/film. oh Wiki how useful you continually prove yourself to be.

Originally posted by: kb315
For all those that claim Kayne "stole" from daft punk should know that Daft Punk sampled their beat from Edwin Birdsong - Cola Bottle Baby.

not to mention that songs that incorporate other songs are perfectly fine and legit, especially when they include whole sampled parts, complete with lyrics and beat, like in this case.

is it thievery when Puff Daddy (i believe that's the name he was going by then) did a mix of Kashmir with his song that was included on the Godzilla soundtrack? (which is my all-time favorite type of that music genre, the one where you incorporate another artist's song into your own. Eminem is good at it too and chooses great songs. However, actually getting Jimmy Page included in the project pretty much nets a score of A+ immediately.)

 

[Skacer]

Does the CD itself in any way mention Akira or Daft Punk in a manner that would give listeners exposure to the original content?

 

[Nikamichi]

Originally posted by: Skacer
Does the CD itself in any way mention Akira or Daft Punk in a manner that would give listeners exposure to the original content?

Nope. Anyone who has not heard the original Daft Punk song or seen Akira, would most likely believe it was original content.

 

[Skacer]

Originally posted by: Nikamichi
Nope. Anyone who has not heard the original Daft Punk song or seen Akira, would most likely believe it was original content.

Then I have a hard time believing he really likes that. People who really like something and appreciate it try to give it exposure. I'm going to mimic your style but I'm going to mention you so that people who really love this style get introduced to more of it. If he really loves Daft Punk, you would think he'd want his fans to listen to Daft Punk or watch Akira as well. That's my logic anyways.

Destrekor mentioned Eminem, at least Eminem got Dido major exposure. Case and point.

 

[Nikamichi]

Originally posted by: Skacer

Originally posted by: Nikamichi
Nope. Anyone who has not heard the original Daft Punk song or seen Akira, would most likely believe it was original content.

Then I have a hard time believing he really likes that. People who really like something and appreciate it try to give it exposure. I'm going to mimic your style but I'm going to mention you so that people who really love this style get introduced to more of it. If he really loves Daft Punk, you would think he'd want his fans to listen to Daft Punk or watch Akira as well. That's my logic anyways.

Destrekor mentioned Eminem, at least Eminem got Dido major exposure. Case and point.

Here's the thing: Just because you mimic a product doesn't mean you love it. It's a business and there's profit to be made. He doesn't have to give credit and why would he? If everyone knew he rehashed something, would he get the full credit for what he's already doing? People criticize rap music as it is, because the majority of it really is unoriginal, repetitive and mind numbingly stupid.

Another point is, music artists like Kanye pay for the videos out of their own pockets. He wanted something that no one has really done in the mainstream arena. Remixing a Daft Punk song and adding Akira flavor is different. I'm sure that was his intention from the get go. So, it's really no surprise he had his little outburst at the VMAs for not winning a single award. He put a product out there and expected acclaim for it. He considers himself a pioneer, but is he really?

 

[biggestmuff]

Originally posted by: Journer
i can honestly say, that if i ever saw this fucker (kanye) in real life. i would punch him square in the face and take my jailing for it. he has destroyed everything that i love.

1) all the song is is a remix of daft punk's song. he just added some crappy rap lines
2) the music video rips off of akira HUGELY...the part where he is in the robe, the hospital, etc.
3) the usage of katakana rips off of manga

arghhhhhhhhhhhh! >_<!!!!!!

You would have to throw punches down at him, because he's a midget.

To be fair he also added a drum beat and some synth to the Daft Punk song.

Are those the actual Daft Punk dudes in the video or are they actors wearing the same helmets that the DP guys usually wear?

"You can be my black Kate Moss tonight". WTF? Terrible.

 

[biggestmuff]

Originally posted by: kb315
For all those that claim Kayne "stole" from daft punk should know that Daft Punk sampled their beat from Edwin Birdsong - Cola Bottle Baby.

Word. Here's a cool little video showing the DP track with the samples that were used.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...4&mode=related&search=

 

[destrekor]

Originally posted by: Skacer

Originally posted by: Nikamichi
Nope. Anyone who has not heard the original Daft Punk song or seen Akira, would most likely believe it was original content.

Then I have a hard time believing he really likes that. People who really like something and appreciate it try to give it exposure. I'm going to mimic your style but I'm going to mention you so that people who really love this style get introduced to more of it. If he really loves Daft Punk, you would think he'd want his fans to listen to Daft Punk or watch Akira as well. That's my logic anyways.

Destrekor mentioned Eminem, at least Eminem got Dido major exposure. Case and point.

i also have a hard time believing the quoted statement, because unless someone is brand-new to music, you can typically tell when an artist samples parts of another song into their own. Once again, that Dido song nobody knew, but it was kind of easy to tell that either Eminem got some girl to kind of do a 'duet' for one of his songs, or he sampled some song. He has sampled other songs, more well known older classics, since then, however the point remains the same.

If someone doesn't know it's Daft Punk's song just being mixed and sampled into Kanye's song, then they will at least guess it's a song featuring another artist or something along those lines.

 

[Nikamichi]

Originally posted by: destrekor
i also have a hard time believing the quoted statement, because unless someone is brand-new to music, you can typically tell when an artist samples parts of another song into their own. Once again, that Dido song nobody knew, but it was kind of easy to tell that either Eminem got some girl to kind of do a 'duet' for one of his songs, or he sampled some song. He has sampled other songs, more well known older classics, since then, however the point remains the same.

Dido's song was not unheard of at the time, but it wasn't mainstream either.

When Eminem remixed it, it became a huge hit. It was mainstream and managed to reach all music listeners. Whereas, Dido's original song would only be heard by those who listened to that particular genre.

The song Stronger is such a different case altogether. Daft Punk didn't perform in the song like Dido did for Eminem. So, I'm not sure why the two are even being compared.

Originally posted by: destrekor
If someone doesn't know it's Daft Punk's song just being mixed and sampled into Kanye's song, then they will at least guess it's a song featuring another artist or something along those lines.

When I first heard Kanye's song, it was hyped to no end. Everyone clamored because it was "original", even though it clearly was not. My point is, if you hear a song on the radio that sounds too good to be true, do you automically assume it has been sampled from another artist? Where is the logic in that? Is it because he's a rapper that you assume that?

I'm not pulling shit out of my ass, this is all based on common sense.

 

[destrekor]

Originally posted by: Nikamichi

Originally posted by: destrekor
i also have a hard time believing the quoted statement, because unless someone is brand-new to music, you can typically tell when an artist samples parts of another song into their own. Once again, that Dido song nobody knew, but it was kind of easy to tell that either Eminem got some girl to kind of do a 'duet' for one of his songs, or he sampled some song. He has sampled other songs, more well known older classics, since then, however the point remains the same.

Dido's song was not unheard of at the time, but it wasn't mainstream either.

When Eminem remixed it, it became a huge hit. It was mainstream and managed to reach all music listeners. Whereas, Dido's original song would only be heard by those who listened to that particular genre.

The song Stronger is such a different case altogether. Daft Punk didn't perform in the song like Dido did for Eminem. So, I'm not sure why the two are even being compared.

Originally posted by: destrekor
If someone doesn't know it's Daft Punk's song just being mixed and sampled into Kanye's song, then they will at least guess it's a song featuring another artist or something along those lines.

When I first heard Kanye's song, it was hyped to no end. Everyone clamored because it was "original", even though it clearly was not. My point is, if you hear a song on the radio that sounds too good to be true, do you automically assume it has been sampled from another artist? Where is the logic in that? Is it because he's a rapper that you assume that?

I'm not pulling shit out of my ass, this is all based on common sense.

maybe because I have heard enough music from multiple genres, that I seem to expect certain things and tend to be right. I find Kanye's song is original in that it's fresh and makes great use of Daft Punk's hit. However, is it all that hard to hear something in a song that sounds clearly nothing like the artist, to guess that it is indeed not that artist but rather some other musician?
And I didn't know Dido actually performed her song for Eminem, I thought he merely sampled her song (with permission), into his song. That is how it tends to happen these days. I am sure DP gave Kanye permission to use the song, or else wouldn't 'Punk have the ability to go after Kanye since he would be liable if it was 'stolen'? I don't know that part of the industry works.

Now, if it's simply a beat that is in a song and is really sweet, I'll assume he just finally put together a sweet beat. But if there are lyrical portions sampled, as is the case of all of Eminem's mixed songs, as well as this one, then I assume it's sampled.
Again, there is a difference between simple sampling a beat, and sampling portions of a song complete with lyrics. You can clearly hear the main chorus parts of the original Daft Punk song, so how hard is it to make the connection that it could be a remix, or whatever you would call songs that follow this method of mixing (a mashup, perhaps?)?

 

[Nikamichi]

Originally posted by: destrekor

Originally posted by: Nikamichi

Originally posted by: destrekor
i also have a hard time believing the quoted statement, because unless someone is brand-new to music, you can typically tell when an artist samples parts of another song into their own. Once again, that Dido song nobody knew, but it was kind of easy to tell that either Eminem got some girl to kind of do a 'duet' for one of his songs, or he sampled some song. He has sampled other songs, more well known older classics, since then, however the point remains the same.

Dido's song was not unheard of at the time, but it wasn't mainstream either.

When Eminem remixed it, it became a huge hit. It was mainstream and managed to reach all music listeners. Whereas, Dido's original song would only be heard by those who listened to that particular genre.

The song Stronger is such a different case altogether. Daft Punk didn't perform in the song like Dido did for Eminem. So, I'm not sure why the two are even being compared.

Originally posted by: destrekor
If someone doesn't know it's Daft Punk's song just being mixed and sampled into Kanye's song, then they will at least guess it's a song featuring another artist or something along those lines.

When I first heard Kanye's song, it was hyped to no end. Everyone clamored because it was "original", even though it clearly was not. My point is, if you hear a song on the radio that sounds too good to be true, do you automically assume it has been sampled from another artist? Where is the logic in that? Is it because he's a rapper that you assume that?

I'm not pulling shit out of my ass, this is all based on common sense.

maybe because I have heard enough music from multiple genres, that I seem to expect certain things and tend to be right. I find Kanye's song is original in that it's fresh and makes great use of Daft Punk's hit. However, is it all that hard to hear something in a song that sounds clearly nothing like the artist, to guess that it is indeed not that artist but rather some other musician?
And I didn't know Dido actually performed her song for Eminem, I thought he merely sampled her song (with permission), into his song. That is how it tends to happen these days. I am sure DP gave Kanye permission to use the song, or else wouldn't 'Punk have the ability to go after Kanye since he would be liable if it was 'stolen'? I don't know that part of the industry works.

Now, if it's simply a beat that is in a song and is really sweet, I'll assume he just finally put together a sweet beat. But if there are lyrical portions sampled, as is the case of all of Eminem's mixed songs, as well as this one, then I assume it's sampled.
Again, there is a difference between simple sampling a beat, and sampling portions of a song complete with lyrics. You can clearly hear the main chorus parts of the original Daft Punk song, so how hard is it to make the connection that it could be a remix, or whatever you would call songs that follow this method of mixing (a mashup, perhaps?)?

You make good points, but I think the answer is so obvious and that's why you're missing it.

Compare how many Kayne West fans there are to Daft Punk fans. Do you really think people who listen to mainstream music can identify that ANY part of the song was created by Daft Punk? Seriously.

Not everyone is a music aficionado.

 

[TheFamilyMan]

Originally posted by: Nikamichi

Originally posted by: Skacer
Does the CD itself in any way mention Akira or Daft Punk in a manner that would give listeners exposure to the original content?

Nope. Anyone who has not heard the original Daft Punk song or seen Akira, would most likely believe it was original content.

Please know that hipslop/cRap is based solely on non-original content. Taking someone else's beats and overlaying another != original content. Spewing diatribe, curse words and generally poorly written lyrics in a rhyming format may = original content but != quality. We know what goes on the ghetto already...rims, juice, weed, bitches, ho's, gats and street-cred...another rhyme by someone who barely made it past 8th grade grammar slapped together in a matter of minutes.

I'll take real musicians over hipslop/cRap music anyday. I forget who the artist was that was being interviewed, but the interviewer asked them what they thought of the current #1 album (which happened to be a rap album) and the artist responded that it took absolutely no skill to rhyme over sampled music. I LOL'd, snickered to myself and queued up Alternative Times vol 1 - 87 on my PC and enjoyed some real music.

 

[destrekor]

Originally posted by: Nikamichi

Originally posted by: destrekor

Originally posted by: Nikamichi

Originally posted by: destrekor
i also have a hard time believing the quoted statement, because unless someone is brand-new to music, you can typically tell when an artist samples parts of another song into their own. Once again, that Dido song nobody knew, but it was kind of easy to tell that either Eminem got some girl to kind of do a 'duet' for one of his songs, or he sampled some song. He has sampled other songs, more well known older classics, since then, however the point remains the same.

Dido's song was not unheard of at the time, but it wasn't mainstream either.

When Eminem remixed it, it became a huge hit. It was mainstream and managed to reach all music listeners. Whereas, Dido's original song would only be heard by those who listened to that particular genre.

The song Stronger is such a different case altogether. Daft Punk didn't perform in the song like Dido did for Eminem. So, I'm not sure why the two are even being compared.

Originally posted by: destrekor
If someone doesn't know it's Daft Punk's song just being mixed and sampled into Kanye's song, then they will at least guess it's a song featuring another artist or something along those lines.

When I first heard Kanye's song, it was hyped to no end. Everyone clamored because it was "original", even though it clearly was not. My point is, if you hear a song on the radio that sounds too good to be true, do you automically assume it has been sampled from another artist? Where is the logic in that? Is it because he's a rapper that you assume that?

I'm not pulling shit out of my ass, this is all based on common sense.

maybe because I have heard enough music from multiple genres, that I seem to expect certain things and tend to be right. I find Kanye's song is original in that it's fresh and makes great use of Daft Punk's hit. However, is it all that hard to hear something in a song that sounds clearly nothing like the artist, to guess that it is indeed not that artist but rather some other musician?
And I didn't know Dido actually performed her song for Eminem, I thought he merely sampled her song (with permission), into his song. That is how it tends to happen these days. I am sure DP gave Kanye permission to use the song, or else wouldn't 'Punk have the ability to go after Kanye since he would be liable if it was 'stolen'? I don't know that part of the industry works.

Now, if it's simply a beat that is in a song and is really sweet, I'll assume he just finally put together a sweet beat. But if there are lyrical portions sampled, as is the case of all of Eminem's mixed songs, as well as this one, then I assume it's sampled.
Again, there is a difference between simple sampling a beat, and sampling portions of a song complete with lyrics. You can clearly hear the main chorus parts of the original Daft Punk song, so how hard is it to make the connection that it could be a remix, or whatever you would call songs that follow this method of mixing (a mashup, perhaps?)?

You make good points, but I think the answer is so obvious and that's why you're missing it.

Compare how many Kayne West fans there are to Daft Punk fans. Do you really think people who listen to mainstream music can identify that ANY part of the song was created by Daft Punk? Seriously.

Not everyone is a music aficionado.

Oh, well I figure most Kanye fans don't even know who Daft Punk is, however.. the point remains that it should be easy to determine it's not Kanye singing those parts when you can hear Daft Punk's vocals. Then again, maybe I have too much faith in the general public. I really shouldn't have said faith, however I do sometimes tend to hold close the idea that the general public is not as dumb as we make them out to be in something as trivial as this. It's understandable for the GP to be retarded about specific industries like computers and a/v equipment, but then again...
yea, I do expect too much from the general public :laugh:

 

[AbAbber2k]

Wow... Kanye likes anime?

And did anyone else think that chick dancing around was totally out of place in the video? Personally I like the song. I like Daft Punk too. And Akira is what got me into anime.



But I still think he's a douche. It is possible to disagree with someone's ideals and still appreciate (some) of their work.

 

[Nikamichi]

Originally posted by: TheFamilyMan

Originally posted by: Nikamichi

Originally posted by: Skacer
Does the CD itself in any way mention Akira or Daft Punk in a manner that would give listeners exposure to the original content?

Nope. Anyone who has not heard the original Daft Punk song or seen Akira, would most likely believe it was original content.

Please know that hipslop/cRap is based solely on non-original content. Taking someone else's beats and overlaying another != original content. Spewing diatribe, curse words and generally poorly written lyrics in a rhyming format may = original content but != quality. We know what goes on the ghetto already...rims, juice, weed, bitches, ho's, gats and street-cred...another rhyme by someone who barely made it past 8th grade grammar slapped together in a matter of minutes.

I'll take real musicians over hipslop/cRap music anyday. I forget who the artist was that was being interviewed, but the interviewer asked them what they thought of the current #1 album (which happened to be a rap album) and the artist responded that it took absolutely no skill to rhyme over sampled music. I LOL'd, snickered to myself and queued up Alternative Times vol 1 - 87 on my PC and enjoyed some real music.

Yup, if you would have just read my second post, you'd realize that you reiterated everything I said. Except that, I didn't go out of my way to let everyone know that I enjoy writing run-on sentences and listening to pirated music on my PC.

Originally posted by: destrekor
Oh, well I figure most Kanye fans don't even know who Daft Punk is, however.. the point remains that it should be easy to determine it's not Kanye singing those parts when you can hear Daft Punk's vocals. Then again, maybe I have too much faith in the general public. I really shouldn't have said faith, however I do sometimes tend to hold close the idea that the general public is not as dumb as we make them out to be in something as trivial as this. It's understandable for the GP to be retarded about specific industries like computers and a/v equipment, but then again...
yea, I do expect too much from the general public :laugh:

It's really simple, just because Daft Punk's vocals are in the song doesn't mean people are going to recognize them, unless of course they heard the original song. Who's to say that the vocals in the background aren't just backup singers?

I think you're putting way too much thought into this. Enjoy your music and just let it be.

 

[AbAbber2k]

Originally posted by: TheFamilyMan
Please know that hipslop/cRap is based solely on non-original content. Taking someone else's beats and overlaying another != original content. Spewing diatribe, curse words and generally poorly written lyrics in a rhyming format may = original content but != quality. We know what goes on the ghetto already...rims, juice, weed, bitches, ho's, gats and street-cred...another rhyme by someone who barely made it past 8th grade grammar slapped together in a matter of minutes.

I'll take real musicians over hipslop/cRap music anyday. I forget who the artist was that was being interviewed, but the interviewer asked them what they thought of the current #1 album (which happened to be a rap album) and the artist responded that it took absolutely no skill to rhyme over sampled music. I LOL'd, snickered to myself and queued up Alternative Times vol 1 - 87 on my PC and enjoyed some real music.

Please know that you're making a pretty big assumption about two genres based entirely off what the mainstream media pushes on us. You know how much shitty alternative music there was in the 90s? How much absolutely worthless rock and punk there was during the 70s and 80s? Metal? They all have their share of shitty bands. And they're all at their worst when they're the most popular.

There's lots of good independent/underground hiphop and rap out there that ISN'T just cussing and lyrics degrading women. Hell, there's good rap and hiphop artists signed to big labels. You just don't hear it because it's not what gets heavily marketed.

 

[destrekor]

Originally posted by: Nikamichi
enjoy your music and just let it be.

will do

 

[TheFamilyMan]

Originally posted by: Nikamichi

Yup, if you would have just read my second post, you'd realize that you reiterated everything I said. Except that, I didn't go out of my way to let everyone know that I enjoy writing run-on sentences and listening to pirated music on my PC.

LOL...kiss my ass..."run-on sentences", self-absorbed grammar Nazi...and what's with the insinuation regarding my music? Just because I have the Alternative Times compilation means I pirated it? ROFL. Huuuuuuuuuuge leap to get to that one considering you know absolutely nothing about me and are just looking to troll.

Originally posted by: AbAbber2k

Please know that you're making a pretty big assumption about two genres based entirely off what the mainstream media pushes on us. You know how much shitty alternative music there was in the 90s? How much absolutely worthless rock and punk there was during the 70s and 80s? Metal? They all have their share of shitty bands. And they're all at their worst when they're the most popular.

[/b]There's lots of good independent/underground hiphop and rap out there that ISN'T just cussing and lyrics degrading women. [/b]Hell, there's good rap and hiphop artists signed to big labels. You just don't hear it because it's not what gets heavily marketed.

I'm not talking entirely what the mainstream pushes...I've heard enough of underground, unsigned artists to have a clue. Yes, there are tons of shitty alternative music today as there was in the 90's. Yes, the 70's and 80's were filled with tons of worthless rock music as well as there are tons of crappy Metal bands.

The point I'm making is that we've got a clue about what the ghetto is like...we don't need another re-telling of your trials and transgressions while "coming up". If you're not bombarded by the "bling bling" of current mainstream hiphop then you're bombarded by the continuous "listen to my hardcore existence" of underground artists. Give me drum and bass any day over hiphop...hell, hiphoppers, just give me the instrumental version so I don't have to listen to the incessant droll over and over.

 

[Nikamichi]

Originally posted by: TheFamilyMan
LOL...kiss my ass..."run-on sentences", self-absorbed grammar Nazi...and what's with the insinuation regarding my music? Just because I have the Alternative Times compilation means I pirated it? ROFL. Huuuuuuuuuuge leap to get to that one considering you know absolutely nothing about me and are just looking to troll.

Really? You mean you purchased the Alternative Times compilation? Jeez, you're a bigger idiot than I thought.