Im going to say it right now. Its not Rove. I know you liberals will be crushed, but it cant be Rove. He WOULD NEVER give himself up so easily.
Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Originally posted by: Harvey
BREAKING NEWS -- I just heard a quick announcement on my local NPR station that Matthew Cooper has agreed to testify to the investigators. No link confirmation, yet.
Let the truth be told.
Tee hee... Fox beat you to the scoop.
Originally posted by: digitalsm
Im going to say it right now. Its not Rove. I know you liberals will be crushed, but it cant be Rove. He WOULD NEVER give himself up so easily.
Published: July 06, 2005 2:45 PM ET
NEW YORK Time magazine reporter Matthew Cooper agreed Wednesday to testify about his sources in a government leak of a CIA agent's identity, a dramatic about-face which came as he faced going to jail.
"I am prepared to testify. I will comply" with the court's order, Cooper told U.S. District Judge Thomas Hogan.
Cooper's turnaround came at a hearing at which Hogan was to consider whether to jail Cooper and New York Times reporter Judith Miller for defying his order to testify about their confidential sources in the leak of CIA agent Valerie Plame's identity.
Cooper took the podium in the court and told the judge, "Last night I hugged my son good-bye and told him it might be a long time before I see him again."
"I went to bed ready to accept the sanctions" for not testifying, Cooper said. But he told the judge that not long before his early afternoon appearance, he had received "in somewhat dramatic fashion" a direct personal communication from his source freeing him from his commitment to keep the source's identity secret.
Cooper said he had been told earlier that his source had signed a general waiver of confidentiality but that he did not trust such waivers because he thought they had been gained from executive branch employees under duress. He told the court that he needed not a general waiver but a specific waiver from his source, which he did not get until Wednesday.
"I received express personal consent" from the source, Cooper told the judge.
Hogan and Fitzgerald accepted Cooper's offer.
So now Bush invaded Iraq because Saddam invaded Kuwait twelve years earlier?
Originally posted by: Genx87
So now Bush invaded Iraq because Saddam invaded Kuwait twelve years earlier?
Do you have any inclination what UN resolution 687 is?
Originally posted by: NJDevil
Originally posted by: Genx87
So now Bush invaded Iraq because Saddam invaded Kuwait twelve years earlier?
Do you have any inclination what UN resolution 687 is?
Please, if you guys are going to have a back and forth battle, do it over PM's. We're having a discussion about the actual topic now. Same to you BBond.
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Wonder if that direct communication from the source releasing him from confidentiality wasn't a huge bribe..... Joe Blow here has agreed to take the fall for me and this here amount is in it if you play along.
Originally posted by: NJDevil
Originally posted by: digitalsm
Im going to say it right now. Its not Rove. I know you liberals will be crushed, but it cant be Rove. He WOULD NEVER give himself up so easily.
After hearing what Cooper said, I am also doubtful that it's Rove, though I'm still not sure. Remember what you said about waiting til all the facts come out?
Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Wonder if that direct communication from the source releasing him from confidentiality wasn't a huge bribe..... Joe Blow here has agreed to take the fall for me and this here amount is in it if you play along.
Since Miller is not willing to testify, it tells me that there's TWO sources. Cooper most likely will be naming a patsy within the White House.
I wonder if Fitzgerald will request Cooper's phone records to verify?Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
*** More Cooper news ***
Cooper states the reason for changing his mind is that he received a phone call from his source absolving him of his obligation to protect his/her identity.
(Fox News 10:48am AST)
It just keeps getting better and better...
Originally posted by: conjur
I wonder if Fitzgerald will request Cooper's phone records to verify?Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
*** More Cooper news ***
Cooper states the reason for changing his mind is that he received a phone call from his source absolving him of his obligation to protect his/her identity.
(Fox News 10:48am AST)
It just keeps getting better and better...
Originally posted by: conjur
I meant the latest phone call.
And exactly HOW do you know this? If you're going to be that cock sure, you'd better have proof, or you are definitely blowing smoke.Originally posted by: digitalsm
Im going to say it right now. Its not Rove. I know you liberals will be crushed, but it cant be Rove. He WOULD NEVER give himself up so easily.
Even better, at least for now, the First Amendment lives. His source released him from his confidentiality pledge.Cooper Agrees to Testify to Plame Grand Jury, Avoids Jail, Miller Holds Out
Published: July 06, 2005 2:45 PM ET updated 3:00 PM
WASHINGTON Time magazine reporter Matthew Cooper agreed Wednesday to testify about his sources in a government leak of a CIA agent's identity, a dramatic about-face which came as he faced going to jail. Judith Miller continued to refuse to testify.
Miller said she did want to go to jail but had no choice but to protect her sources. "If journalists cannot be trusted to keep confidences, then journalists cannot function and there cannot be a free press," she said.
Cooper, on the other hand, said, "I am prepared to testify. I will comply" with the court's order, as he told U.S. District Judge Thomas Hogan.
Cooper's turnaround came at a hearing at which Hogan was to consider whether to jail Cooper and New York Times reporter Judith Miller for defying his order to testify about their confidential sources in the leak of CIA agent Valerie Plame's identity.
Cooper took the podium in the court and told the judge, "Last night I hugged my son good-bye and told him it might be a long time before I see him again."
"I went to bed ready to accept the sanctions" for not testifying, Cooper said. But he told the judge that not long before his early afternoon appearance, he had received "in somewhat dramatic fashion" a direct personal communication from his source freeing him from his commitment to keep the source's identity secret.
Cooper said he had been told earlier that his source had signed a general waiver of confidentiality but that he did not trust such waivers because he thought they had been gained from executive branch employees under duress. He told the court that he needed not a general waiver but a specific waiver from his source, which he did not get until Wednesday.
"I received express personal consent" from the source, Cooper told the judge.
Hogan and Fitzgerald accepted Cooper's offer.
Originally posted by: Harvey
And exactly HOW do you know this? If you're going to be that cock sure, you'd better have proof, or you are definitely blowing smoke.Originally posted by: digitalsm
Im going to say it right now. Its not Rove. I know you liberals will be crushed, but it cant be Rove. He WOULD NEVER give himself up so easily.
Meanwhile, back at the confirmation watering hole...:Even better, at least for now, the First Amendment lives. His source released him from his confidentiality pledge.Cooper Agrees to Testify to Plame Grand Jury, Avoids Jail, Miller Holds Out
Published: July 06, 2005 2:45 PM ET updated 3:00 PM
WASHINGTON Time magazine reporter Matthew Cooper agreed Wednesday to testify about his sources in a government leak of a CIA agent's identity, a dramatic about-face which came as he faced going to jail. Judith Miller continued to refuse to testify.
Miller said she did want to go to jail but had no choice but to protect her sources. "If journalists cannot be trusted to keep confidences, then journalists cannot function and there cannot be a free press," she said.
Cooper, on the other hand, said, "I am prepared to testify. I will comply" with the court's order, as he told U.S. District Judge Thomas Hogan.
Cooper's turnaround came at a hearing at which Hogan was to consider whether to jail Cooper and New York Times reporter Judith Miller for defying his order to testify about their confidential sources in the leak of CIA agent Valerie Plame's identity.
Cooper took the podium in the court and told the judge, "Last night I hugged my son good-bye and told him it might be a long time before I see him again."
"I went to bed ready to accept the sanctions" for not testifying, Cooper said. But he told the judge that not long before his early afternoon appearance, he had received "in somewhat dramatic fashion" a direct personal communication from his source freeing him from his commitment to keep the source's identity secret.
Cooper said he had been told earlier that his source had signed a general waiver of confidentiality but that he did not trust such waivers because he thought they had been gained from executive branch employees under duress. He told the court that he needed not a general waiver but a specific waiver from his source, which he did not get until Wednesday.
"I received express personal consent" from the source, Cooper told the judge.
Hogan and Fitzgerald accepted Cooper's offer.
I have no way of knowing if his testimony will link Rove, Bush or anyone else in the adminstration to the leak. The important thing is knowing the truth.
Whoever leaked Valerie Plame's name is a traitor who jeopardized her life and the lives of countless intelligence contacts around the world and blew off intelligence networks that took years, if not decades, to build.
IF Bush and/or Cheney knew about it, I don't see how any true "conservative" who believes in law and order would want do anything but turn them out. That's what finally happened to Nixon in Watergate. It just took too damned long.
Whatever the truth, it will be a seriously interesting history lesson.
That might seem like a reasoned response ... out of context, when you conveniently omit your post to which I replied and ignore your posts before it. Let's look at what you said, however:Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
[ ... ]
As for you Bowfinger...
You dont know Plame wasn't a NOC, or that Brewster Jennings was no longer an effective cover. You have a few comments from unidentified sources with unknown agendas supporting your apologist bias, so you pounce on them like a starving dog on a scrap. It doesn't matter there is plenty of contradictory evidence. It doesn't matter that you are completely unqualified to assess the impact. You start with the conclusion that BushCo is innocent and reject all evidence to the contrary. You insist your partisan opinion is the one and only truth, and attack anyone who suggests otherwise.
I could say the exact same thing for you except that you are taking the opposite approach where Dubbya/Rove et. al. is automatically guilty. You don't know that she WAS a NOC when Novak wrote his column. You are every bit as unqualified to asses the impact as I am.
I take offense at the starving dog reference. I haven't been defending anyone here. As a matter of fact I've said that if it's true then there should be consequences.
I also don't see where I've been attacking anyone. I've advised you to use caution and to not work yourselves up into a rabid froth based on one unsubstantiated comment from one guy on a syndicated news show and that you might want to hold off on the celebration until all the facts come out. But I certainly haven't attacked anyone. ...
Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
[ ... ]
Is this woman the Christ-like figure some are ginning her up to be? No.
Are the consequences for outing her as serious as some would like for us to believe? No.
Is this thing being blown wildly out of proportion for political purposes? Absolutely!
Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
[ ... ]
Then we find out that the under cover agent was undercover in job title only and was really a 9-5er in Langly getting ready to start climbing the management ladder.
Then the press decides that the story isn't as juicy as they hoped since the outted CIA agent isn't really what she was initially said to be (and therefore isn't damaging ENOUGH to the administration to warrant the expediture of resources that would be required to finish the story).
With the exception of a few indignant lefties the story slowly fades away. Eventually a low level staffer is fired and a short apology from someone inconsequential is released late one Friday evening.
The whole episode morphs into urban legend...
Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Who lost their life over this? What damage was done? ...
Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
This is a perfect example. You guys are making her out to be something that she wasn't when this happened. Outing a NOC is a terrible thing but that isn't what happened in this case. And that is a big reason why it's hard to take people like you seriously. You seem to think that it's OK to exaggerate the facts and twist reality so long as it furthers your argument. And if there is even the slightest possibility that Dubbya or anyone in his administration might have their feet held to the fire then you suspend the rules of truth and logic altogether. ...
The British were also involved in the biggest sales pitch of all-time. Hersh labeled Tony Blair, the British Prime Minister, Bush?s puppy. In 2002, a British JIC memo was uncovered that revealed that the British were tasked with helping Bush to convince the American public of the need to invade Iraq. Part of this involved the now-famous forged documents that were faked to show an Iraqi interest in purchasing yellowcake from Niger. It is this piece of propaganda that is the basis for an investigation by Fitzgerald into the leaking of then-covert CIA agent Valerie Plame to the press. Robert Novak printed her name in a column and that started a long-lasting and controversial scandal that has failed to come to fruition two years after-the-fact. Many people, including myself, have labeled Novak with disparaging names for his part in this. However, Hersh stated that Novak is a good conservative writer and has the utmost in integrity. Perhaps Hersh?s assessment is the most accurate in light of recent reports that Novak did name, during his grand jury testimony, the person who leaked Plame?s name to him. Hersh is of the opinion that Fitzgerald is on to something bigger than just the leaking of a CIA agent?s name (which is a difficult thing to prove was a malicious act and knowingly in violation of Federal law.) Only time will tell, in this case. How much time is needed, though, is unknown.
Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Originally posted by: Harvey
And exactly HOW do you know this? If you're going to be that cock sure, you'd better have proof, or you are definitely blowing smoke.Originally posted by: digitalsm
Im going to say it right now. Its not Rove. I know you liberals will be crushed, but it cant be Rove. He WOULD NEVER give himself up so easily.
Meanwhile, back at the confirmation watering hole...:Even better, at least for now, the First Amendment lives. His source released him from his confidentiality pledge.Cooper Agrees to Testify to Plame Grand Jury, Avoids Jail, Miller Holds Out
Published: July 06, 2005 2:45 PM ET updated 3:00 PM
WASHINGTON Time magazine reporter Matthew Cooper agreed Wednesday to testify about his sources in a government leak of a CIA agent's identity, a dramatic about-face which came as he faced going to jail. Judith Miller continued to refuse to testify.
Miller said she did want to go to jail but had no choice but to protect her sources. "If journalists cannot be trusted to keep confidences, then journalists cannot function and there cannot be a free press," she said.
Cooper, on the other hand, said, "I am prepared to testify. I will comply" with the court's order, as he told U.S. District Judge Thomas Hogan.
Cooper's turnaround came at a hearing at which Hogan was to consider whether to jail Cooper and New York Times reporter Judith Miller for defying his order to testify about their confidential sources in the leak of CIA agent Valerie Plame's identity.
Cooper took the podium in the court and told the judge, "Last night I hugged my son good-bye and told him it might be a long time before I see him again."
"I went to bed ready to accept the sanctions" for not testifying, Cooper said. But he told the judge that not long before his early afternoon appearance, he had received "in somewhat dramatic fashion" a direct personal communication from his source freeing him from his commitment to keep the source's identity secret.
Cooper said he had been told earlier that his source had signed a general waiver of confidentiality but that he did not trust such waivers because he thought they had been gained from executive branch employees under duress. He told the court that he needed not a general waiver but a specific waiver from his source, which he did not get until Wednesday.
"I received express personal consent" from the source, Cooper told the judge.
Hogan and Fitzgerald accepted Cooper's offer.
I have no way of knowing if his testimony will link Rove, Bush or anyone else in the adminstration to the leak. The important thing is knowing the truth.
Whoever leaked Valerie Plame's name is a traitor who jeopardized her life and the lives of countless intelligence contacts around the world and blew off intelligence networks that took years, if not decades, to build.
IF Bush and/or Cheney knew about it, I don't see how any true "conservative" who believes in law and order would want do anything but turn them out. That's what finally happened to Nixon in Watergate. It just took too damned long.
Whatever the truth, it will be a seriously interesting history lesson.
But here is the catch. Cooper has permission to talk to the GJ, not to the public. If the GJ testimony is sealed then we might never know who the source is. Ohhh the irony...
Originally posted by: BBond
I'm hitting refresh at Raw Story.
The following letter, drafted by Rep. John Conyers (D-MI), was issued to other House Democrats for signature this afternoon, and obtained by RAW STORY.