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Bowfinger

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Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
That's because you can't seperate being a liberal from being a hwak who feels this war is necessary. I've explained that numerous times in the pastbut it just doesn't seem to sink in.
Once more - Being a hawk on Iraq does not exclude one from being a liberal.
That might be plausible if your support for BushCo were limited to Iraq issues. As far as I can tell, you embrace the BushCo propaganda across the board. Actions speak louder than words.


Among my points is that your talking points have all been refuted, most of them repeatedly in this very thread.
Really? Such as? If any have been refuted, it surely hasn't been done by you.
Right, you'd be the last to know, but whatever helps you sleep at night. Get well soon.
iow, you can't answer the question and it's nothing but pure bluster on your part.

Thought so.
More RunsLikeChicken evasions. I'm not going to test the mods' patience by bumping thirty or forty replies with links and comments refuting your claims. You love to divert by telling other people to provide proof. How about you provide examples of your claims that have NOT been refuted.


Nice sleight of hand there. You offered some defense before the talking points memo was exposed. That doesn't mean you didn't see earlier, unofficial efforts, especially given your first responses were the same discredited claims BushCo has been repeating for months.
Such as?
Such as everything you posted in the early pages of this thread, before the memo was exposed. Pick any of your claims; I can find a right-wing blog or similar source where it appeared earlier, and usually a thread here where it was parroted.
More bluster. How about providing actual facts instead of mere empty allegations?
Nope, the ball's already in your court. If you're going to weasel out of it again, you're not going to use me as your smokescreen.


Truth hurts, doesn't it? (Another Bowfinger quote, btw)
:roll:


By the way, care to show me where I've ever suggested you don't have the right to say whatever you choose (subject to the indulgence of the mods, of course)? Just don't get pissy with us when we point out how full of it you are.
You sure seem to be implying it with all your vapid accusations.
Another evasion. What a shock.


I note you're using this to continue evading the many points raised earlier. I think I'll bump them for you, just for your convenience, of course. You're welcome.
Help yourself to anything you've actually posted. But, as usual, I'll expect to see no points from you, just more empty accusations. If you post anything at all it won't be anything you said, but you'll attempt to ride someone elses coattails, like usual.
Yet another evasion. I've already bumped the most recent three. I won't try the mods' patience by bumping more, especially since it's obvious to everyone that you lack the courage, ability, and integrity to address any of them directly. It's just your usual mix of evasions, diversions, and gratuitous attacks. Run, Chicken, run.

Toodles.
 

moshquerade

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this thread is too long and full of true partisan bickering for me to read, but i have come across this article in today's USA Today. it looks like Rove really didn't commit a crime after all boys.

CIA 'outing' might fall short of crime
By Mark Memmott, USA TODAY
WASHINGTON ? The alleged crime at the heart of a controversy that has consumed official Washington ? the "outing" of a CIA officer ? may not have been a crime at all under federal law, little-noticed details in a book by the agent's husband suggest.

Compromised: Joseph Wilson and wife, CIA operative Valerie Plame.
Vanity Fair

In The Politics of Truth, former ambassador Joseph Wilson writes that he and his future wife both returned from overseas assignments in June 1997. Neither spouse, a reading of the book indicates, was again stationed overseas. They appear to have remained in Washington, D.C., where they married and became parents of twins. (Related story: Bush waits on Rove)

Six years later, in July 2003, the name of the CIA officer ? Valerie Plame ? was revealed by columnist Robert Novak.

The column's date is important because the law against unmasking the identities of U.S. spies says a "covert agent" must have been on an overseas assignment "within the last five years." The assignment also must be long-term, not a short trip or temporary post, two experts on the law say. Wilson's book makes numerous references to the couple's life in Washington over the six years up to July 2003.

"Unless she was really stationed abroad sometime after their marriage," she wasn't a covert agent protected by the law, says Bruce Sanford, an attorney who helped write the 1982 act that protects covert agents' identities.

The leaking of Valerie Plame's identity started a chain of events that now has the White House at the center of a political firestorm as some Democrats demand President Bush fire close aide Karl Rove. Rove discussed Plame's CIA connection with Time reporter Matthew Cooper in 2003, though without naming her, according to Rove's attorney.

Joseph Wilson would not say whether his wife was stationed overseas again after 1997, and he said she would not speak to a reporter. But, he said, "the CIA obviously believes there was reason to believe a crime had been committed" because it referred the case to the Justice Department.

Spokesmen for both the CIA and federal prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald, who is investigating whether a crime was committed, also would not comment.

Though that key law may not have been broken in leaking the name, Fitzgerald must still be pursuing evidence of some type of wrongdoing, said Victoria Toensing, another of the attorneys who helped draft the 1982 act. Like Sanford, she doubts Valerie Wilson, as she now refers to herself, qualified as a "covert agent" under that law. She and Sanford also doubt Fitzgerald has enough evidence to prosecute anyone under the Espionage Act. That law makes it a crime to divulge "information relating to the national defense" that "the possessor has reason to believe could be used to the injury" of the nation.

But, Toensing said, "reading between the lines, I'd say he's got a 'Martha Stewart case' " involving perjury or obstruction of justice. In other words, though a crime may not have been committed at the start, one may have occurred during the investigation when someone lied to Fitzgerald or to a federal grand jury.

The tempest started when Novak wrote about why Joseph Wilson had gone to Niger in 2002 on a fact-finding mission for the CIA. Wilson had been sent to check on reports that Iraq had tried to buy uranium ? fuel for nuclear weapons. In 2003, he disputed administration claims that Iraq had tried to buy the uranium.

Novak wrote that "Valerie Plame is an agency (CIA) operative" and that "two senior administration officials" said she suggested sending her husband to Niger. Time magazine's Cooper filed a similar online story three days later.

The stories led to Fitzgerald's investigation and the jailing of New York Times reporter Judith Miller, who did not publish a story. She has refused to discuss conversations she had with a source.

This week, Democrats including Sens. John Kerry and Hillary Rodham Clinton said Rove should be fired. An e-mail Cooper allegedly sent to a Time colleague and obtained by Newsweek last week indicates Rove was among Cooper's sources. White House spokesman Scott McClellan has said Bush still has confidence in Rove. Wednesday, Bush said he wouldn't comment until "the investigation is completed."
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2005-07-14-cia-wilson_x.htm

But, according to a story Thursday in USA Today, Plame's outing may not have been illegal.

According to the 1982 Intelligence Identities Protection Act a crime has been committed only if someone knowingly reveals an undercover agent. Only one person has ever been convicted of violating the act.

In Wilson's book, "The Politics of Truth," he writes that he and his future wife both returned from overseas assignments in June 1997. Wilson wrote neither he nor his wife were stationed outside the United States after that posting.

Six years later, in July 2003, Plame's name was revealed by columnist Robert Novak.

The column's date is vital because the federal intelligence i.d. law says a "covert agent" must have been on an overseas assignment "within the last five years." Plus, the assignment must be long-term and not a short trip or temporary post.

Victoria Toensing, former counsel for the Senate Intelligence Committee who helped write the law protecting the identities of intelligence agents, told FOX News on Thursday that "no, in a nutshell," Rove did not commit a crime. Plame's status at the time of the revelation is key to that conclusion, she said.

"That's a very big question," Toensing said, referring to exactly what status Plame had within the CIA at the time of the alleged "leak." "When did she leave her foreign assignment?"

If it was in 1997, as noted in Wilson's book, Toensing said, "she would not have even have to come to the definition of a 'covert agent' under the law how we wrote it."
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,162485,00.html
 
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Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
That's because you can't seperate being a liberal from being a hwak who feels this war is necessary. I've explained that numerous times in the pastbut it just doesn't seem to sink in.
Once more - Being a hawk on Iraq does not exclude one from being a liberal.
That might be plausible if your support for BushCo were limited to Iraq issues. As far as I can tell, you embrace the BushCo propaganda across the board. Actions speak louder than words.


Among my points is that your talking points have all been refuted, most of them repeatedly in this very thread.
Really? Such as? If any have been refuted, it surely hasn't been done by you.
Right, you'd be the last to know, but whatever helps you sleep at night. Get well soon.
iow, you can't answer the question and it's nothing but pure bluster on your part.

Thought so.
More RunsLikeChicken evasions. I'm not going to test the mods' patience by bumping thirty or forty replies with links and comments refuting your claims. You love to divert by telling other people to provide proof. How about you provide examples of your claims that have NOT been refuted.


Nice sleight of hand there. You offered some defense before the talking points memo was exposed. That doesn't mean you didn't see earlier, unofficial efforts, especially given your first responses were the same discredited claims BushCo has been repeating for months.
Such as?
Such as everything you posted in the early pages of this thread, before the memo was exposed. Pick any of your claims; I can find a right-wing blog or similar source where it appeared earlier, and usually a thread here where it was parroted.
More bluster. How about providing actual facts instead of mere empty allegations?
Nope, the ball's already in your court. If you're going to weasel out of it again, you're not going to use me as your smokescreen.


Truth hurts, doesn't it? (Another Bowfinger quote, btw)
:roll:


By the way, care to show me where I've ever suggested you don't have the right to say whatever you choose (subject to the indulgence of the mods, of course)? Just don't get pissy with us when we point out how full of it you are.
You sure seem to be implying it with all your vapid accusations.
Another evasion. What a shock.


I note you're using this to continue evading the many points raised earlier. I think I'll bump them for you, just for your convenience, of course. You're welcome.
Help yourself to anything you've actually posted. But, as usual, I'll expect to see no points from you, just more empty accusations. If you post anything at all it won't be anything you said, but you'll attempt to ride someone elses coattails, like usual.
Yet another evasion. I've already bumped the most recent three. I won't try the mods' patience by bumping more, especially since it's obvious to everyone that you lack the courage, ability, and integrity to address any of them directly. It's just your usual mix of evasions, diversions, and gratuitous attacks. Run, Chicken, run.

Toodles.
Believe whatever you want. I'm over your theatrics and BS. You're not even worth addressing because your posts are a vacuum from all your puffery and never contain anything but baseless accusations.

You're nothing more than a waste of time.

Toodles indeed.
 

Bowfinger

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Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Believe whatever you want. I'm over your theatrics and BS. You're not even worth addressing because your posts are a vacuum from all your puffery and never contain anything but baseless accusations. [ i.e., he can't refute them ]

You're nothing more than a waste of time.

Toodles indeed.
And he still didn't address the points I raised, or the points raised by so many others. You're right TLC, you are a fraud and a hypocrite. It's one of the few things we can agree on.
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: moshquerade
this thread is too long and full of true partisan bickering for me to read, but i have come across this article in today's USA Today. it looks like Rove really didn't commit a crime after all boys.
Victoria Toensing is full of sh*t.

Stop being so damned naive, moshquerade. Let me guess, you like forwarding all those cheesy, feel-good chain emails, too?
 

BBond

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Fitzgerald's grand jury will decide if a crime has been committed.

You Bushies can keep your wet dreams under wraps until then.

Your boy is going to get rolled.

 

moshquerade

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Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: moshquerade
this thread is too long and full of true partisan bickering for me to read, but i have come across this article in today's USA Today. it looks like Rove really didn't commit a crime after all boys.
Victoria Toensing is full of sh*t.

Stop being so damned naive, moshquerade. Let me guess, you like forwarding all those cheesy, feel-good chain emails, too?
you always flame when you read something you don't want to hear.

sorry Charlie.

 

moshquerade

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Originally posted by: BBond
Fitzgerald's grand jury will decide if a crime has been committed.

You Bushies can keep your wet dreams under wraps until then.

Your boy is going to get rolled.
QFL - quoted for later

 

conjur

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Originally posted by: moshquerade
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: moshquerade
this thread is too long and full of true partisan bickering for me to read, but i have come across this article in today's USA Today. it looks like Rove really didn't commit a crime after all boys.
Victoria Toensing is full of sh*t.

Stop being so damned naive, moshquerade. Let me guess, you like forwarding all those cheesy, feel-good chain emails, too?
you always flame when you read something you don't want to hear.

sorry Charlie.
I'm going to listen to a Bush-God fanboi fluffer over the evidence we've been made aware of so far?
 

moshquerade

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Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: moshquerade
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: moshquerade
this thread is too long and full of true partisan bickering for me to read, but i have come across this article in today's USA Today. it looks like Rove really didn't commit a crime after all boys.
Victoria Toensing is full of sh*t.

Stop being so damned naive, moshquerade. Let me guess, you like forwarding all those cheesy, feel-good chain emails, too?
you always flame when you read something you don't want to hear.

sorry Charlie.
I'm going to listen to a Bush-God fanboi fluffer over the evidence we've been made aware of so far?
where do the facts have to be printed for you to believe them?

 

conjur

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What facts? Some State Dept lackey's opinion is now fact? I guess you just like to conveniently ignore the article from Larry Johnson, of the CIA, who was a classmate of Valerie and knew her. I believe you'll find that link in this thread or the other Rovian threads up here.
 

Moonsabie

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Originally posted by: moshquerade
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: moshquerade
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: moshquerade
this thread is too long and full of true partisan bickering for me to read, but i have come across this article in today's USA Today. it looks like Rove really didn't commit a crime after all boys.
Victoria Toensing is full of sh*t.

Stop being so damned naive, moshquerade. Let me guess, you like forwarding all those cheesy, feel-good chain emails, too?
you always flame when you read something you don't want to hear.

sorry Charlie.
I'm going to listen to a Bush-God fanboi fluffer over the evidence we've been made aware of so far?
where to the facts have to be printed for you to believe them?


he will never believe the facts only after CNN stops covering the matter will he be quite. and then only wisper to himself that SO bie should have been hang.

and shake his fist at the bush admistration.
 

moshquerade

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Originally posted by: conjur
What facts? Some State Dept lackey's opinion is now fact? I guess you just like to conveniently ignore the article from Larry Johnson, of the CIA, who was a classmate of Valerie and knew her. I believe you'll find that link in this thread or the other Rovian threads up here.
you forgot to answer my question

 

bamacre

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Source: Rove Got CIA Agent ID From Media

WASHINGTON - Presidential confidant Karl Rove testified to a grand jury that he learned the identity of a CIA operative originally from journalists, then informally discussed the information with a Time magazine reporter days before the story broke, according to a person briefed on the testimony.

The person, who works in the legal profession and spoke only on condition of anonymity because of the secrecy of grand jury proceedings, told The Associated Press that Rove testified last year that he remembers specifically being told by columnist Robert Novak that Valerie Plame, the wife of a harsh
Iraq war critic, worked for the CIA.

Rove testified that Novak originally called him the Tuesday before Plame's identity was revealed in July 2003 to discuss another story. The conversation eventually turned to former Ambassador Joseph Wilson, who was strongly criticizing the Bush administration's Iraq war policy and the intelligence it used to justify the war, the source said.

The person said Rove testified that Novak told him he had learned and planned to report in a weekend column that Wilson's wife, Plame, had worked for the CIA, and the circumstances on how her husband traveled to Africa to check bogus claims of alleged nuclear material sales to Iraq.

Novak's column, citing two Bush administration officials, appeared six days later, touching off a political firestorm and leading to a federal criminal investigation into who leaked Plame's undercover identity. That probe has ensnared presidential aides and reporters in a two-year legal battle.

On Thursday, Senate Democratic leader Harry Reid of Nevada pressed for legislation to strip Rove of his clearance for classified information, which he said President Bush should already have done. Instead, Reid said, the Bush administration has attacked its critics: "This is what is known as a cover-up. This is an abuse of power."

Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, R-Tenn., said Democrats were resorting to "partisan war chants."

Across the Capitol, Rep. Rush Holt (news, bio, voting record), D-N.J., introduced legislation for an investigation that would compel senior administration officials to turn over records relating to the Plame disclosure.

Rove told the grand jury that by the time Novak had called him, he believes he had similar information about Wilson's wife from another reporter but had no recollection of which reporter had told him about it first, the source said.

When Novak inquired about Wilson's wife working for the CIA, Rove indicated he had heard something like that, according to the source's recounting of the grand jury testimony.

Rove told the grand jury that four days later, he had a phone conversation with Time magazine reporter Matt Cooper and ? in an effort to discredit some of Wilson's allegations ? told Cooper that Wilson's wife worked for the CIA, though he never used her name.

An e-mail Cooper recently provided the grand jury shows Cooper reported to his magazine bosses that Rove had described Wilson's wife in a confidential conversation as someone who "apparently works" at the CIA.

Robert Luskin, Rove's attorney, said Thursday his client truthfully testified to the grand jury and expected to be exonerated.

"Karl provided all pertinent information to prosecutors a long time ago," Luskin said. "And prosecutors confirmed when he testified most recently in October 2004 that he is not a target of the investigation."

Rove's conversation with Cooper took place five days after Wilson suggested in a New York Times opinion piece that some of the intelligence related to Iraq's nuclear weapons program was twisted to exaggerate the Iraqi threat. Novak's column identifying Wilson's wife as a CIA employee and Cooper's magazine piece came out a few days later.

Pressed to explain its statements of two years ago that Rove wasn't involved in the leak, the White House refused to do so this week.

"If I were to get into discussing this, I would be getting into discussing an investigation that continues and could be prejudging the outcome of the investigation," White House spokesman Scott McClellan said.
 

totalcommand

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Rove talked to Novak before hand, and he DID NOT know that Plame was undercover nor did he know her exact name beforehand.

Democrats are gonna get pwned on this one!

Rove was the SECOND source, the one used for confirmation: Mr. Rove told the columnist: "I heard that, too." I'm not sure that's enough to warrant anything.

lmao. Rove wins again! I can't wait till this guy starts to get old and out of politics.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/15/polit...819afc84e3590&ei=5094&partner=homepage

edit: turns out this maybe more complicated, since Rove leaked the information to Cooper, AFTER he talked to Novak, who told him Plame's name. Maybe dems aren't in trouble afterall
 

totalcommand

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Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: totalcommand
lmao. maybe we should define the words "working" and "agent" to help you out?

>>A covert agent is defined as someone whose identity is classified and who has served outside the United States within the last five years.

>>"The document establishes that Plame has worked undercover within the past five years."

from cooper's email: >>Spoke to Rove on double super secret background for about two mins before he went on vacation ...[/b]

Now we just have to demonstrate to you that "double super secret" means "classified". Can someone give me some help here? I'm not a lawyer after all.

Let me know if you need helped with the words "served" and "outside" also.

Now read that statement closely and hopefully it will give you a hint where you and others are stumbling and bumbling.

lmao. keep your mouth running, i enjoy it.
Please tell me you are not this dense. You posted the answer yourself and had it right in front of you, yet you're still oblivious. Let me help you out, because it's apparent you need it:

A covert agent is defined as someone whose identity is classified AND who has served OUTSIDE the United States within the last five years.

She's been in the US since 1997, 6 years before she was outed by Novak.

Still laughing TC?


FEC rules require donors to list their employment. Plame used her married name, Valerie E. Wilson, and listed her employment as an "analyst" with Brewster-Jennings & Associates. The document establishes that Plame has worked undercover within the past five years. The time frame is one of the standards used in making determinations about whether a disclosure is a criminal violation of the Intelligence Identities Protection Act.

Because if she had someone would have already "leaked" that information. The leaks on this case are not one-sided.
that is some of the most retarded reasoning I have ever seen.
Lmao. you have no idea whether she's been outside the U.S. She definitely did not have a desk job at the CIA, so I'm inclined to think she has.



pwned.

But you can drop the act now. The Dems have hung themselves on this one. Just like I thought, they spoke too soon, and Karl Rove really isn't that far implicated in this afterall.

Rove won again. Be happy dude.
 

totalcommand

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LMAO! It looks like Luskin, Karl Rove's lawyer, maybe the "source" for this new news. Afterall, it was leaked the NYT, WaPo, the AP, and other news sources.

The WaPo article contains this line: "The lawyer, who has firsthand knowledge of the conversations between Rove and prosecutors..." That's Luskin, with a coordinated strike to defend Rove!

This is getting better by the second!
 

montanafan

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moshquerade, I believe conjur is questioning Victoria Toensing's credibility as many others have since that article was written because she and her husband are well known conservative Republican lawyers in DC who have been involved in some controversies in the past where their ethics have come into question. She and her husband are close personal friends of Robert Novak, a fact that was not mentioned in the article.
 

conjur

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On ABC's Good Morning Amerca, Sam Donaldson and Cokie Roberts were RIDICULING Rove and laughing at the new reports that Novak leaked Plame's name TO Rove!

Now they're showing a clip from the The Daily Show.


Rove: "I don't know her name. I didn't leak her name"

Then Stewart ridiculing Rove.



This was great! They were all laughing at Rove!
 

conjur

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"Go ahead, Jeff": Talon News "reporter" Jeff Gannon is McClellan's lifeline during briefings
http://mediamatters.org/items/200502020014
During a July 15, 2004, press conference, McClellan again turned to Gannon following questions from reporters about the president's position on the Federal Marriage Amendment; the president's opinion of fundraising consultant Mike Rogers's campaign (detailed in a Washington Post article) to disclose the sexual orientation of gay staffers working for senators and representatives who supported the amendment; and whether Lynne Cheney's opposition to the amendment constituted the first time a vice president's wife had ever publicly opposed the president's policies. After responding, McClellan accepted questions from Gannon, who promptly shifted the focus.

From the White House transcript:
MR. McCLELLAN: Two questions a day. Go ahead, Jeff.

[...]

Q: Last Friday, the Senate Intelligence Committee released a report that shows that Ambassador Joe Wilson lied when he said his wife didn't put him up for the mission to Niger. The British inquiry into their own prewar intelligence yesterday concluded that the President's 16 words ["The British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa"] were "well-founded." Doesn't Joe Wilson owe the President and America an apology for his deception and his own intelligence failure?

MR. McCLELLAN: Well, one, let me point out that I think those reports speak for themselves on that issue. And I think if you have questions about that, you can direct that to Mr. Wilson.
Contrary to Gannon's assertion, the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence report contained no conclusions regarding Wilson's truthfulness about his wife's purported involvement in his appointment to the Niger mission. As for Gannon's citation of the "British inquiry" regarding the "President's 16 words" in the 2003 State of the Union address, and Gannon's claim of an "intelligence failure" on Wilson's part, then-director of central intelligence George J. Tenet stated in a press release that "[t]hese 16 words should never have been included in the text written for the President."

As Media Matters previously noted, when the federal grand jury investigating the leak of the identity of CIA covert operative Valerie Plame subpoenaed White House records on contacts with journalists, Gannon was reportedly among them. WashingtonPost.com "White House Briefing" columnist Dan Froomkin explained in his March 10, 2004, column that "the reason Gannon is on the list is most likely an attempt to find out who gave him a secret memo that he mentioned in an interview he had with Plame's husband, former ambassador and administration critic Joseph Wilson."
 

BBond

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Originally posted by: bamacre
Source: Rove Got CIA Agent ID From Media

WASHINGTON - Presidential confidant Karl Rove testified to a grand jury that he learned the identity of a CIA operative originally from journalists, then informally discussed the information with a Time magazine reporter days before the story broke, according to a person briefed on the testimony.

The person, who works in the legal profession and spoke only on condition of anonymity because of the secrecy of grand jury proceedings, told The Associated Press that Rove testified last year that he remembers specifically being told by columnist Robert Novak that Valerie Plame, the wife of a harsh
Iraq war critic, worked for the CIA.

Rove testified that Novak originally called him the Tuesday before Plame's identity was revealed in July 2003 to discuss another story. The conversation eventually turned to former Ambassador Joseph Wilson, who was strongly criticizing the Bush administration's Iraq war policy and the intelligence it used to justify the war, the source said.

The person said Rove testified that Novak told him he had learned and planned to report in a weekend column that Wilson's wife, Plame, had worked for the CIA, and the circumstances on how her husband traveled to Africa to check bogus claims of alleged nuclear material sales to Iraq.

Novak's column, citing two Bush administration officials, appeared six days later, touching off a political firestorm and leading to a federal criminal investigation into who leaked Plame's undercover identity. That probe has ensnared presidential aides and reporters in a two-year legal battle.

On Thursday, Senate Democratic leader Harry Reid of Nevada pressed for legislation to strip Rove of his clearance for classified information, which he said President Bush should already have done. Instead, Reid said, the Bush administration has attacked its critics: "This is what is known as a cover-up. This is an abuse of power."

Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, R-Tenn., said Democrats were resorting to "partisan war chants."

Across the Capitol, Rep. Rush Holt (news, bio, voting record), D-N.J., introduced legislation for an investigation that would compel senior administration officials to turn over records relating to the Plame disclosure.

Rove told the grand jury that by the time Novak had called him, he believes he had similar information about Wilson's wife from another reporter but had no recollection of which reporter had told him about it first, the source said.

When Novak inquired about Wilson's wife working for the CIA, Rove indicated he had heard something like that, according to the source's recounting of the grand jury testimony.

Rove told the grand jury that four days later, he had a phone conversation with Time magazine reporter Matt Cooper and ? in an effort to discredit some of Wilson's allegations ? told Cooper that Wilson's wife worked for the CIA, though he never used her name.

An e-mail Cooper recently provided the grand jury shows Cooper reported to his magazine bosses that Rove had described Wilson's wife in a confidential conversation as someone who "apparently works" at the CIA.

Robert Luskin, Rove's attorney, said Thursday his client truthfully testified to the grand jury and expected to be exonerated.

"Karl provided all pertinent information to prosecutors a long time ago," Luskin said. "And prosecutors confirmed when he testified most recently in October 2004 that he is not a target of the investigation."

Rove's conversation with Cooper took place five days after Wilson suggested in a New York Times opinion piece that some of the intelligence related to Iraq's nuclear weapons program was twisted to exaggerate the Iraqi threat. Novak's column identifying Wilson's wife as a CIA employee and Cooper's magazine piece came out a few days later.

Pressed to explain its statements of two years ago that Rove wasn't involved in the leak, the White House refused to do so this week.

"If I were to get into discussing this, I would be getting into discussing an investigation that continues and could be prejudging the outcome of the investigation," White House spokesman Scott McClellan said.

I'm so glad this is all happening. I needed a good laugh. I can't wait to see what TDS will do with this.

The media did it. Bwahaha.

Must be the same media that gave Bush Iraq's WMD info. And told him about all of the Iraqis with flowers waiting in Baghdad. The media even told Bush that the mission was accomplished and major hostilities were over.

The Bush administration is just one bumbling event after another followed by the most ridiculous excuses imaginable. It's like watching Reality TV. Maybe that's why so many Americans are willing to keep watching without demanding any accountability.

 
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Originally posted by: totalcommand
FEC rules require donors to list their employment. Plame used her married name, Valerie E. Wilson, and listed her employment as an "analyst" with Brewster-Jennings & Associates. The document establishes that Plame has worked undercover within the past five years. The time frame is one of the standards used in making determinations about whether a disclosure is a criminal violation of the Intelligence Identities Protection Act.
Your blurb from above "The time frame is one of the standards used in making determinations about whether a disclosure is a criminal violation of the Intelligence Identities Protection Act." is wrong. The time frame alone has no bearing. It's only when it's used as a consideration in conjunction with an agent being outside the US that it's valid. I keep telling you this and you continue to get it wrong by repeating back that same incorrect blurb.

I don't think you have any real honest intent to discuss this anyway, just like Bowfinger. So consider this my last reply to you as well.
 

Bowfinger

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Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: totalcommand
FEC rules require donors to list their employment. Plame used her married name, Valerie E. Wilson, and listed her employment as an "analyst" with Brewster-Jennings & Associates. The document establishes that Plame has worked undercover within the past five years. The time frame is one of the standards used in making determinations about whether a disclosure is a criminal violation of the Intelligence Identities Protection Act.
Your blurb from above "The time frame is one of the standards used in making determinations about whether a disclosure is a criminal violation of the Intelligence Identities Protection Act." is wrong. The time frame alone has no bearing. It's only when it's used as a consideration in conjunction with an agent being outside the US that it's valid. I keep telling you this and you continue to get it wrong by repeating back that same incorrect blurb.

I don't think you have any real honest intent to discuss this anyway, just like Bowfinger. So consider this my last reply to you as well.
Run, Chicken, run! ROFLMAO!
 
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