Karl Rove possibly tried for perjury?

[RightIsWrong]

Hey TLC, can you address a little problem that I am having? It is a terrible MSM and liberal talking point that I need your help debunking.

It seems that there is a timeline that I saw that I know must be a trick being spun by the MSM and libs that can't be right.

March 6, 2003 - Joe Wilson writes editorial stating that Bush admin claims about Niger uranium wasn't discussed at meetings with Iraq

March 7, 2003 - Secret State Dept. memo with classified info re: Valerie Plame is requested by Colin Powell and is taken on Air Force One with major Bush admin players on a trip to Africa

March 8, 2003 - Karl Rove speaks with Robert Novak and "Joe Wilson's wife" is discussed

Please help me understand how that isn't a left wing conspiracy aimed at bringing down the honorable Karl Rove and other Bush administration officials.

 

[conjur]

NYTimes front page / For Two Aides in Leak Case, 2nd Issue Rises
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/22/polit...770e9392bb1c6&ei=5094&partner=homepage

Breaking Bloomberg report suggests both perjury and obstruction for Rove and Libby
http://thinkprogress.org/2005/07/21/bre...ibby-may-be-subject-to-perjury-charges

 

[Gusty987]

Originally posted by: conjur
NYTimes front page / For Two Aides in Leak Case, 2nd Issue Rises
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/22/polit...770e9392bb1c6&ei=5094&partner=homepage

Breaking Bloomberg report suggests both perjury and obstruction for Rove and Libby
http://thinkprogress.org/2005/07/21/bre...ibby-may-be-subject-to-perjury-charges

Haha, awesome! Indictments coming soon...

 

[Harvey]

Searching google for Two Aides in Leak Case got the link the first page without having to subscribe.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: RightIsWrong
Hey TLC, can you address a little problem that I am having? It is a terrible MSM and liberal talking point that I need your help debunking.

It seems that there is a timeline that I saw that I know must be a trick being spun by the MSM and libs that can't be right.

March 6, 2003 - Joe Wilson writes editorial stating that Bush admin claims about Niger uranium wasn't discussed at meetings with Iraq

March 7, 2003 - Secret State Dept. memo with classified info re: Valerie Plame is requested by Colin Powell and is taken on Air Force One with major Bush admin players on a trip to Africa

March 8, 2003 - Karl Rove speaks with Robert Novak and "Joe Wilson's wife" is discussed

Please help me understand how that isn't a left wing conspiracy aimed at bringing down the honorable Karl Rove and other Bush administration officials.

OMG! Consecutive days, so it must be true.

I'm so glad there are consecutive days there. That really simplifies it all for those who love tin foil and fear black helicopters.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
[ ... ]
Nor has he ever backed up his own contention that Wilson didn't spill classified information. He just diverts and redirects every time I ask him for a link. ...

Still more of Sir "It's only a flesh wound" Chicken's signature dishonesty. Sir Chicken invented an absurd charge Wilson leaked classified information when he exposed BushCo's deception about Iraq and Niger. He offered nothing to support this charge except one poorly-worded sentence in one article that he has completely misrepresented. Never mind that not even the Bush administration is making this claim (in spite of their many other dishonest attempts to smear Wilson). Never mind that it's BushCo being investigated, not Wilson. Never mind that Wilson did NOT sign a confidentiality agreement for his trip to Niger. Never mind that Chicken is flapping alone in the wind, without a single piece of evidence to support him.

Never mind all of those inconvenient facts, Chicken refuses to offer any support for his loony theory while demanding that I prove a negative, that Wilson did NOT leak classified information. I guess all I can do is defer to the resident expert on dishonest tactics, who said: "Asking for the unattainable as proof, when you know damn well it's unattainable, is a highly dishonest tactic." (That's a TLC quote, in case you're wondering.)

How are you coming on proving George is NOT Karl's love slave, Sir Chicken?

:laugh:

You must have missed this Sir Chicken. I'm sure you're eager to prove your damning claims about Wilson's disclosure of classified information. (Might want to let BushCo know too. They seem to have missed it. Easy to understand, they probably don't have any political and legal experts of your caliber.)

I didn't miss it. I already told you that none of what you've said is proof. You demand quotes and links as proof, yet when asked to respond in kind all we get is 'because Bowfinger says.'

Your attempts at a rationale don't prove anything. Provide the same type and level of proof you so consistently demand from others or simply admit you can't prove it. When you do this then maybe you'll receive the same type of proof as a response.

Side note: does anyone here know the caliber of an exhaust pipe?

Might I suggest a mirror and a very large micrometer gauge?

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

A question for all those hyped up on the memo drug right now.

Would the identity of a CIA covert agent in this memo warrant only a "secret" designation?

Seems a covert agent would warrant a bit higher of a security rating, eh?

 

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
[ ... ]
Nor has he ever backed up his own contention that Wilson didn't spill classified information. He just diverts and redirects every time I ask him for a link. ...

Still more of Sir "It's only a flesh wound" Chicken's signature dishonesty. Sir Chicken invented an absurd charge Wilson leaked classified information when he exposed BushCo's deception about Iraq and Niger. He offered nothing to support this charge except one poorly-worded sentence in one article that he has completely misrepresented. Never mind that not even the Bush administration is making this claim (in spite of their many other dishonest attempts to smear Wilson). Never mind that it's BushCo being investigated, not Wilson. Never mind that Wilson did NOT sign a confidentiality agreement for his trip to Niger. Never mind that Chicken is flapping alone in the wind, without a single piece of evidence to support him.

Never mind all of those inconvenient facts, Chicken refuses to offer any support for his loony theory while demanding that I prove a negative, that Wilson did NOT leak classified information. I guess all I can do is defer to the resident expert on dishonest tactics, who said: "Asking for the unattainable as proof, when you know damn well it's unattainable, is a highly dishonest tactic." (That's a TLC quote, in case you're wondering.)

How are you coming on proving George is NOT Karl's love slave, Sir Chicken?

:laugh:

You must have missed this Sir Chicken. I'm sure you're eager to prove your damning claims about Wilson's disclosure of classified information. (Might want to let BushCo know too. They seem to have missed it. Easy to understand, they probably don't have any political and legal experts of your caliber.)

I didn't miss it. I already told you that none of what you've said is proof. You demand quotes and links as proof, yet when asked to respond in kind all we get is 'because Bowfinger says.'

Your attempts at a rationale don't prove anything. Provide the same type and level of proof you so consistently demand from others or simply admit you can't prove it. When you do this then maybe you'll receive the same type of proof as a response. ...

It is your allegation. You bear the burden of proof. "Asking for the unattainable as proof, when you know damn well it's unattainable, is a highly dishonest tactic."

How 'ya coming on proving George isn't Karl's love slave?

:laugh:

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
[ ... ]
Nor has he ever backed up his own contention that Wilson didn't spill classified information. He just diverts and redirects every time I ask him for a link. ...

Still more of Sir "It's only a flesh wound" Chicken's signature dishonesty. Sir Chicken invented an absurd charge Wilson leaked classified information when he exposed BushCo's deception about Iraq and Niger. He offered nothing to support this charge except one poorly-worded sentence in one article that he has completely misrepresented. Never mind that not even the Bush administration is making this claim (in spite of their many other dishonest attempts to smear Wilson). Never mind that it's BushCo being investigated, not Wilson. Never mind that Wilson did NOT sign a confidentiality agreement for his trip to Niger. Never mind that Chicken is flapping alone in the wind, without a single piece of evidence to support him.

Never mind all of those inconvenient facts, Chicken refuses to offer any support for his loony theory while demanding that I prove a negative, that Wilson did NOT leak classified information. I guess all I can do is defer to the resident expert on dishonest tactics, who said: "Asking for the unattainable as proof, when you know damn well it's unattainable, is a highly dishonest tactic." (That's a TLC quote, in case you're wondering.)

How are you coming on proving George is NOT Karl's love slave, Sir Chicken?

:laugh:

You must have missed this Sir Chicken. I'm sure you're eager to prove your damning claims about Wilson's disclosure of classified information. (Might want to let BushCo know too. They seem to have missed it. Easy to understand, they probably don't have any political and legal experts of your caliber.)

I didn't miss it. I already told you that none of what you've said is proof. You demand quotes and links as proof, yet when asked to respond in kind all we get is 'because Bowfinger says.'

Your attempts at a rationale don't prove anything. Provide the same type and level of proof you so consistently demand from others or simply admit you can't prove it. When you do this then maybe you'll receive the same type of proof as a response. ...

It is your allegation. You bear the burden of proof. "Asking for the unattainable as proof, when you know damn well it's unattainable, is a highly dishonest tactic."

It was your allegation. Must I repost your contention yet again?

It wouldn't matter though. You'd just avoid and evade as you have continuously when I've asked you for the same type of proof you demand.

Keep up the dancing routine, BFer.

How 'ya coming on proving George isn't Karl's love slave?

:laugh:

That would seem to be your area of expertise. Since it's also your allegation, not mine, why don't you fill everyone in?

 

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
It was your allegation. Must I repost your contention yet again? ...

Sorry honey. You are the one who claims Wilson leaked classified information. That story is entirely your invention, and you have nothing to support it. Until you do, it is treated as fiction, just like a Bigfoot claim (or claiming George is Karl's love slave). "Since it's ... your allegation, not mine, why don't you fill everyone in?"

That you continue to dodge supporting your allegation, trying instead to divert attention to me, shows you are just talking out your ass again -- just like your claims about Wilson's book proving Plame never worked outside the U.S. again. In both cases, you have asserted as fact something you cannot support. (Of course you were finally forced to concede your claim about Wilson's book was false, admitting there were no such quotes in the book. You also tried to twist that to me, but that's to be expected given your ego.)


Run, Chicken, run. Go with your strengths.

:laugh:

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
It was your allegation. Must I repost your contention yet again? ...

Sorry honey. You are the one who claims Wilson leaked classified information. That story is entirely your invention, and you have nothing to support it. Until you do, it is treated as fiction, just like a Bigfoot claim (or claiming George is Karl's love slave). "Since it's ... your allegation, not mine, why don't you fill everyone in?"

That you continue to dodge supporting your allegation, trying instead to divert attention to me, shows you are just talking out your ass again -- just like your claims about Wilson's book proving Plame never worked outside the U.S. again. In both cases, you have asserted as fact something you cannot support. (Of course you were finally forced to concede your claim about Wilson's book was false, admitting there were no such quotes in the book. You also tried to twist that to me, but that's to be expected given your ego.)


Run, Chicken, run. Go with your strengths.

:laugh:

Fiction, huh?

Here, let me demonstrate how one posts links to substantiate their claim. It's a process you should learn:

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/robertnovak/rn20030714.shtml

After eight days in the Niger capital of Niamey (where he once served), Wilson made an oral report in Langley that an Iraqi uranium purchase was "highly unlikely," though he also mentioned in passing that a 1988 Iraqi delegation tried to establish commercial contacts. CIA officials did not regard Wilson's intelligence as definitive, being based primarily on what the Niger officials told him and probably would have claimed under any circumstances. The CIA report of Wilson's briefing remains classified.

That was on July 14, 2003. Yet on May 6, 2003, a full two months prior, we get:

http://www.globalpolicy.org/security/issues/iraq/unmovic/2003/0506missing.htm

I'm told by a person involved in the Niger caper that more than a year ago the vice president's office asked for an investigation of the uranium deal, so a former U.S. ambassador to Africa was dispatched to Niger. In February 2002, according to someone present at the meetings, that envoy reported to the C.I.A. and State Department that the information was unequivocally wrong and that the documents had been forged.

The envoy reported, for example, that a Niger minister whose signature was on one of the documents had in fact been out of office for more than a decade. In addition, the Niger mining program was structured so that the uranium diversion had been impossible. The envoy's debunking of the forgery was passed around the administration and seemed to be accepted ? except that President Bush and the State Department kept citing it anyway. "It's disingenuous for the State Department people to say they were bamboozled because they knew about this for a year," one insider said.

Wilson leaked information that was still classified to Kristof.

 

[RightIsWrong]

Also from your first link in the Novak column:

Wilson's mission was created after an early 2002 report by the Italian intelligence service about attempted uranium purchases from Niger, derived from forged documents prepared by what the CIA calls a "con man." This misinformation, peddled by Italian journalists, spread through the U.S. government. The White House, State Department and Pentagon, and not just Vice President Dick Cheney, asked the CIA to look into it.

So it would seem that, if you link to a Novak column is absolute proof as you think that it is, that Cheney's office DID IN FACT request the trip to Niger. Also, so did Bush, Powell/Rice and Rumsfeld. So are you going to back off of your claims that Wilson lied about that or are you going to say that your article proving that Wilson's report is classified is proof of something that you support and wrong about something that you contend to be false?

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: RightIsWrong
Also from your first link in the Novak column:

Wilson's mission was created after an early 2002 report by the Italian intelligence service about attempted uranium purchases from Niger, derived from forged documents prepared by what the CIA calls a "con man." This misinformation, peddled by Italian journalists, spread through the U.S. government. The White House, State Department and Pentagon, and not just Vice President Dick Cheney, asked the CIA to look into it.

So it would seem that, if you link to a Novak column is absolute proof as you think that it is, that Cheney's office DID IN FACT request the trip to Niger. Also, so did Bush, Powell/Rice and Rumsfeld. So are you going to back off of your claims that Wilson lied about that or are you going to say that your article proving that Wilson's report is classified is proof of something that you support and wrong about something that you contend to be false?

Asking the CIA to "look into it" is not the same thing as Cheney authorizing Wilson for the trip. It's already been established that Plame herself pimped her husband to go on the trip, crafted a memo to recommend him, and attended the kickoff meeting. Yet Wilson insisted his wife was not involved.

As far as Wilson lying, besides lying about his wife's involvement, I already posted a link previously to the Truthout.org site that substantiates that.

 

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
It was your allegation. Must I repost your contention yet again? ...

Sorry honey. You are the one who claims Wilson leaked classified information. That story is entirely your invention, and you have nothing to support it. Until you do, it is treated as fiction, just like a Bigfoot claim (or claiming George is Karl's love slave). "Since it's ... your allegation, not mine, why don't you fill everyone in?"

That you continue to dodge supporting your allegation, trying instead to divert attention to me, shows you are just talking out your ass again -- just like your claims about Wilson's book proving Plame never worked outside the U.S. again. In both cases, you have asserted as fact something you cannot support. (Of course you were finally forced to concede your claim about Wilson's book was false, admitting there were no such quotes in the book. You also tried to twist that to me, but that's to be expected given your ego.)


Run, Chicken, run. Go with your strengths.

:laugh:

Fiction, huh?

Here, let me demonstrate how one posts links to substantiate their claim. It's a process you should learn:

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/robertnovak/rn20030714.shtml

After eight days in the Niger capital of Niamey (where he once served), Wilson made an oral report in Langley that an Iraqi uranium purchase was "highly unlikely," though he also mentioned in passing that a 1988 Iraqi delegation tried to establish commercial contacts. CIA officials did not regard Wilson's intelligence as definitive, being based primarily on what the Niger officials told him and probably would have claimed under any circumstances. The CIA report of Wilson's briefing remains classified.

That was on July 14, 2003. Yet on May 6, 2003, a full two months prior, we get:

http://www.globalpolicy.org/security/issues/iraq/unmovic/2003/0506missing.htm

I'm told by a person involved in the Niger caper that more than a year ago the vice president's office asked for an investigation of the uranium deal, so a former U.S. ambassador to Africa was dispatched to Niger. In February 2002, according to someone present at the meetings, that envoy reported to the C.I.A. and State Department that the information was unequivocally wrong and that the documents had been forged.

The envoy reported, for example, that a Niger minister whose signature was on one of the documents had in fact been out of office for more than a decade. In addition, the Niger mining program was structured so that the uranium diversion had been impossible. The envoy's debunking of the forgery was passed around the administration and seemed to be accepted ? except that President Bush and the State Department kept citing it anyway. "It's disingenuous for the State Department people to say they were bamboozled because they knew about this for a year," one insider said.

Wilson leaked information that was still classified to Kristof.

I'll give you credit for finally -- finally -- trying to support your story with evidence. If you have a point in there, however, I'm missing it. I believe I've already acknowledged that the CIA report was classified, but Wilson did not leak the report. He told us about certain aspects of his trip to Niger. In order for your claim to be true, you need to show Wilson revealed information he was forbidden to discuss. Given that he did NOT sign a confidentiality agreement for the trip (per the Senate SCI report), I think that will be a bit of a challenge. If you have evidence showing otherwise, please share.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Bowfinger
I'll give you credit for finally -- finally -- trying to support your story with evidence. If you have a point in there, however, I'm missing it. I believe I've already acknowledged that the CIA report was classified, but Wilson did not leak the report. He told us about certain aspects of his trip to Niger. In order for your claim to be true, you need to show Wilson revealed information he was forbidden to discuss. Given that he did NOT sign a confidentiality agreement for the trip (per the Senate SCI report), I think that will be a bit of a challenge. If you have evidence showing otherwise, please share.

How long can you hold your breath?

 

[RightIsWrong]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: RightIsWrong
Also from your first link in the Novak column:

Wilson's mission was created after an early 2002 report by the Italian intelligence service about attempted uranium purchases from Niger, derived from forged documents prepared by what the CIA calls a "con man." This misinformation, peddled by Italian journalists, spread through the U.S. government. The White House, State Department and Pentagon, and not just Vice President Dick Cheney, asked the CIA to look into it.

So it would seem that, if you link to a Novak column is absolute proof as you think that it is, that Cheney's office DID IN FACT request the trip to Niger. Also, so did Bush, Powell/Rice and Rumsfeld. So are you going to back off of your claims that Wilson lied about that or are you going to say that your article proving that Wilson's report is classified is proof of something that you support and wrong about something that you contend to be false?

Asking the CIA to "look into it" is not the same thing as Cheney authorizing Wilson for the trip. It's already been established that Plame herself pimped her husband to go on the trip, crafted a memo to recommend him, and attended the kickoff meeting. Yet Wilson insisted his wife was not involved.

As far as Wilson lying, besides lying about his wife's involvement, I already posted a link previously to the Truthout.org site that substantiates that.

Show me a link that quotes Wilson stating that he was asked directly by Cheney or Cheney's office to make the trip. If you are referring to his editorial, here is the direct quote from it stating who sent him:

In February 2002, I was informed by officials at the Central Intelligence Agency that Vice President Dick Cheney's office had questions about a particular intelligence report. While I never saw the report, I was told that it referred to a memorandum of agreement that documented the sale of uranium yellowcake ? a form of lightly processed ore ? by Niger to Iraq in the late 1990's. The agency officials asked if I would travel to Niger to check out the story so they could provide a response to the vice president's office.

Funny, he states that the CIA asked him based on a request from Cheney's office. He doesn't state that Cheney asked him specifically which is the right wing talking point. Maybe you can prove me wrong on this and show me where he states it at a later time?

Oh, if you are going to try to say that he did it in a CNN Late Edition interview, the talking point on that one is that he stated:

From the RNC talking points:

Joe Wilson: "What They Did, What The Office Of The Vice President Did, And, In Fact, I Believe Now From Mr. Libby's Statement, It Was Probably The Vice President Himself ..." (CNN's "Late Edition," 8/3/03)

But the FULL context of that quote tells a different story:

From the August 3, 2003, edition of CNN's Late Edition:

WILSON: Well, look, it's absolutely true that neither the vice president nor Dr. [then-national security adviser Condoleezza] Rice nor even [then-CIA Director] George Tenet knew that I was traveling to Niger.

What they did, what the office of the vice president did, and, in fact, I believe now from Mr. Libby's statement, it was probably the vice president himself --

BLITZER: [I. Lewis] "Scooter" Libby is the chief of staff for the vice president.

WILSON: Scooter Libby. They asked essentially that we follow up on this report -- that the agency follow up on the report. So it was a question that went to the CIA briefer from the Office of the Vice President. The CIA, at the operational level, made a determination that the best way to answer this serious question was to send somebody out there who knew something about both the uranium business and those Niger officials that were in office at the time these reported documents were executed.

Transcript of the interview

 

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
... It's already been established that Plame herself pimped her husband to go on the trip, crafted a memo to recommend him, and attended the kickoff meeting. Yet Wilson insisted his wife was not involved. ...

:roll:

You'd have a lot more credibility if you stuck to a reasonably objective recitation of fact instead of continuing to parrot the distorted BushCo propaganda. It has been established that Plame served as the conduit to her husband (reportedly at the CIA's request), penned a short note about his qualifications (reportedly at her director's request), and introduced him at a CIA meeting (that she reportedly left after the first two or three minutes). Did she have a greater or more active role? Anything's possible, but it's empty speculation at this point.

I agree Wilson's statement his wife wasn't involved is technically inaccurate. In common conversation, however, his comment was consistent with someone trying to explain his wife played no material role in selecting Wilson for the Niger trip. This is consistent with what we know with certainty about Plame's involvement as described above. If it is ultimately shown Plame played a larger role, then Wilson's comment can be legitimately criticized as dishonest. For now, I think one can only objectively criticize it as imprecise.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
It was your allegation. Must I repost your contention yet again? ...

Sorry honey. You are the one who claims Wilson leaked classified information. That story is entirely your invention, and you have nothing to support it. Until you do, it is treated as fiction, just like a Bigfoot claim (or claiming George is Karl's love slave). "Since it's ... your allegation, not mine, why don't you fill everyone in?"

That you continue to dodge supporting your allegation, trying instead to divert attention to me, shows you are just talking out your ass again -- just like your claims about Wilson's book proving Plame never worked outside the U.S. again. In both cases, you have asserted as fact something you cannot support. (Of course you were finally forced to concede your claim about Wilson's book was false, admitting there were no such quotes in the book. You also tried to twist that to me, but that's to be expected given your ego.)


Run, Chicken, run. Go with your strengths.

:laugh:

Fiction, huh?

Here, let me demonstrate how one posts links to substantiate their claim. It's a process you should learn:

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/robertnovak/rn20030714.shtml

After eight days in the Niger capital of Niamey (where he once served), Wilson made an oral report in Langley that an Iraqi uranium purchase was "highly unlikely," though he also mentioned in passing that a 1988 Iraqi delegation tried to establish commercial contacts. CIA officials did not regard Wilson's intelligence as definitive, being based primarily on what the Niger officials told him and probably would have claimed under any circumstances. The CIA report of Wilson's briefing remains classified.

That was on July 14, 2003. Yet on May 6, 2003, a full two months prior, we get:

http://www.globalpolicy.org/security/issues/iraq/unmovic/2003/0506missing.htm

I'm told by a person involved in the Niger caper that more than a year ago the vice president's office asked for an investigation of the uranium deal, so a former U.S. ambassador to Africa was dispatched to Niger. In February 2002, according to someone present at the meetings, that envoy reported to the C.I.A. and State Department that the information was unequivocally wrong and that the documents had been forged.

The envoy reported, for example, that a Niger minister whose signature was on one of the documents had in fact been out of office for more than a decade. In addition, the Niger mining program was structured so that the uranium diversion had been impossible. The envoy's debunking of the forgery was passed around the administration and seemed to be accepted ? except that President Bush and the State Department kept citing it anyway. "It's disingenuous for the State Department people to say they were bamboozled because they knew about this for a year," one insider said.

Wilson leaked information that was still classified to Kristof.

I'll give you credit for finally -- finally -- trying to support your story with evidence. If you have a point in there, however, I'm missing it. I believe I've already acknowledged that the CIA report was classified, but Wilson did not leak the report. He told us about certain aspects of his trip to Niger. In order for your claim to be true, you need to show Wilson revealed information he was forbidden to discuss. Given that he did NOT sign a confidentiality agreement for the trip (per the Senate SCI report), I think that will be a bit of a challenge. If you have evidence showing otherwise, please share.

First of all, the confidentiality agreement statement in the SCI report concerns Wilson's "relationship" with the CIA, not the information he gathered. As the SCI report also notes, Wilson did not have a formal security clearance but was given an operational clearance for the purpose of his trip to Niger. Receiving such a clearance requires signing a general NDA that prevents one from discussin classified information they come to know, so he was still governed by one concerning the release of classified information.

Second of all, did he release any classified information? He made specific comments about his findings. Is it really a stretch to believe those findings were classified, considering that's what the classified report was about, his findings?

btw, there was some noise about investigating whether Wilson leaked classified information himself by Long Island Rep Peter King. But the MSM disregarded it completely and so did the CIA.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: RightIsWrong

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: RightIsWrong
Also from your first link in the Novak column:

Wilson's mission was created after an early 2002 report by the Italian intelligence service about attempted uranium purchases from Niger, derived from forged documents prepared by what the CIA calls a "con man." This misinformation, peddled by Italian journalists, spread through the U.S. government. The White House, State Department and Pentagon, and not just Vice President Dick Cheney, asked the CIA to look into it.

So it would seem that, if you link to a Novak column is absolute proof as you think that it is, that Cheney's office DID IN FACT request the trip to Niger. Also, so did Bush, Powell/Rice and Rumsfeld. So are you going to back off of your claims that Wilson lied about that or are you going to say that your article proving that Wilson's report is classified is proof of something that you support and wrong about something that you contend to be false?

Asking the CIA to "look into it" is not the same thing as Cheney authorizing Wilson for the trip. It's already been established that Plame herself pimped her husband to go on the trip, crafted a memo to recommend him, and attended the kickoff meeting. Yet Wilson insisted his wife was not involved.

As far as Wilson lying, besides lying about his wife's involvement, I already posted a link previously to the Truthout.org site that substantiates that.

Show me a link that quotes Wilson stating that he was asked directly by Cheney or Cheney's office to make the trip. If you are referring to his editorial, here is the direct quote from it stating who sent him:

In February 2002, I was informed by officials at the Central Intelligence Agency that Vice President Dick Cheney's office had questions about a particular intelligence report. While I never saw the report, I was told that it referred to a memorandum of agreement that documented the sale of uranium yellowcake ? a form of lightly processed ore ? by Niger to Iraq in the late 1990's. The agency officials asked if I would travel to Niger to check out the story so they could provide a response to the vice president's office.

Funny, he states that the CIA asked him based on a request from Cheney's office. He doesn't state that Cheney asked him specifically which is the right wing talking point. Maybe you can prove me wrong on this and show me where he states it at a later time?

Oh, if you are going to try to say that he did it in a CNN Late Edition interview, the talking point on that one is that he stated:

From the RNC talking points:

Joe Wilson: "What They Did, What The Office Of The Vice President Did, And, In Fact, I Believe Now From Mr. Libby's Statement, It Was Probably The Vice President Himself ..." (CNN's "Late Edition," 8/3/03)

But the FULL context of that quote tells a different story:

From the August 3, 2003, edition of CNN's Late Edition:

WILSON: Well, look, it's absolutely true that neither the vice president nor Dr. [then-national security adviser Condoleezza] Rice nor even [then-CIA Director] George Tenet knew that I was traveling to Niger.

What they did, what the office of the vice president did, and, in fact, I believe now from Mr. Libby's statement, it was probably the vice president himself --

BLITZER: [I. Lewis] "Scooter" Libby is the chief of staff for the vice president.

WILSON: Scooter Libby. They asked essentially that we follow up on this report -- that the agency follow up on the report. So it was a question that went to the CIA briefer from the Office of the Vice President. The CIA, at the operational level, made a determination that the best way to answer this serious question was to send somebody out there who knew something about both the uranium business and those Niger officials that were in office at the time these reported documents were executed.

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Well you sure went through a lot to claim nothing that was contrary to what I said. I didn't claim that Wilson said Cheney authorized his trip.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
... It's already been established that Plame herself pimped her husband to go on the trip, crafted a memo to recommend him, and attended the kickoff meeting. Yet Wilson insisted his wife was not involved. ...

:roll:

You'd have a lot more credibility if you stuck to a reasonably objective recitation of fact instead of continuing to parrot the distorted BushCo propaganda. It has been established that Plame served as the conduit to her husband (reportedly at the CIA's request), penned a short note about his qualifications (reportedly at her director's request), and introduced him at a CIA meeting (that she reportedly left after the first two or three minutes). Did she have a greater or more active role? Anything's possible, but it's empty speculation at this point.

I agree Wilson's statement his wife wasn't involved is technically inaccurate. In common conversation, however, his comment was consistent with someone trying to explain his wife played no material role in selecting Wilson for the Niger trip. This is consistent with what we know with certainty about Plame's involvement as described above. If it is ultimately shown Plame played a larger role, then Wilson's comment can be legitimately criticized as dishonest. For now, I think one can only objectively criticize it as imprecise.

She also asked Wilson directly to go on the trip. "There's this crazy report..."

That implies pretty direct involvement and there's little doubt that she was the impetus for his selection.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
She also asked Wilson directly to go on the trip. "There's this crazy report..."

That implies pretty direct involvement and there's little doubt that she was the impetus for his selection.

But, she didn't send him. She offered his name up and the decision was made elsewhere.

Even then, it has NOTHING to do with the investigation by Fitzgerald. Leaking information or committing perjury by White House officials is the subject.

 

[BBond]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
She also asked Wilson directly to go on the trip. "There's this crazy report..."

That implies pretty direct involvement and there's little doubt that she was the impetus for his selection.

But, she didn't send him. She offered his name up and the decision was made elsewhere.

Even then, it has NOTHING to do with the investigation by Fitzgerald. Leaking information or committing perjury by White House officials is the subject.

Whenever we ask the Bushies why Halliburton gets all of those no-bid contracts to repair what Bush unnecessarily destroyed in Iraq, they ask, "Who better to do the job?"

Who better than Ambassador Joe Wilson to do this job? The CIA thought he was the best choice or they wouldn't have sent him in the first place.

So who would you Bushies have sent? John Bolton? I'm sure he would have found what Bush and Cheney were looking for. But how would they explain themselves now that we KNOW THERE WAS NO WMD IN IRAQ AND NO SALE OF YELLOW CAKE FROM NIGER OR ANYWHERE ELSE?

I'd love to see the lies, excuses, and obfuscations you Bushies would be dreaming up now.

It seems the only thing you Bushies can't abide is THE TRUTH.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
She also asked Wilson directly to go on the trip. "There's this crazy report..."

That implies pretty direct involvement and there's little doubt that she was the impetus for his selection.

But, she didn't send him. She offered his name up and the decision was made elsewhere.

Even then, it has NOTHING to do with the investigation by Fitzgerald. Leaking information or committing perjury by White House officials is the subject.

Actually it has quite a lot to do with the investigation. It goes to motivation for Rove to comment on Plame in the first place. I doubt Fitzgerald has overlooked that fact.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
She also asked Wilson directly to go on the trip. "There's this crazy report..."

That implies pretty direct involvement and there's little doubt that she was the impetus for his selection.

But, she didn't send him. She offered his name up and the decision was made elsewhere.

Even then, it has NOTHING to do with the investigation by Fitzgerald. Leaking information or committing perjury by White House officials is the subject.

Actually it has quite a lot to do with the investigation. It goes to motivation for Rove to comment on Plame in the first place. I doubt Fitzgerald has overlooked that fact.

The only motivation Rove had was to save face for the lying administration and to smear Wilson to accomplish that goal.

 

[conjur]

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Yellow Dog Blog: Countdown with Keith Olbermann:

The Wall Street Journal will break the news tomorrow that not only was the damning State Department memo reported today labeled "secret," it was classified as "top secret."

And, according to WSJ National Political Editor John Harwood, the memo also lists the Plame revelation as "SNF," or "Secret, No Foreign," in terms of parties to whom the information can or cannot be disclosed.

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It's hitting the fan!

Atrios: Do Not Share With Foreign Nationals.

Raw Story is reporting that Karl Rove and Vice President Dick Cheney's Chief of Staff 'Scooter' Libby provided false testimony to the special prosecutor to a Washington-based grand jury.

Think Progress is reporting the same news that the Raw story is.