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Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Speaking of Sir Chicken avoiding the topic ...
It does no good discussing it with you because you won't even use your brain.

If Wilson's information wasn't classified, then why did he have to clear it with the CIA first before he wrote his op-ed? He had no NDA, right? He could just say anything he wnted, according to you.

But don't let little things like that get in the way of your ridiculous denial.
 

Czar

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Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: Czar
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: Czar
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

So what did Bolton lie about, specifically? Biden's letter seems to omit that minor little detail.
Here asshat, let me spell it out for you...
YOU calling someone "asshat?"

Talk about irony overdose. :roll:
heeey we got a new rip, dodges the argument just as well as rip did
Ayup. TLC is doing a great job playing the "avoid the topic" troll. Questioning RawStory but loving fringe blogs? Even when the RawStory article contained a copy of Biden's actual letter. And then dismissing an AP article?

TLC has lost any modicum of respect up here. He's become worthless to engage in debate.
Raw Story is the left's version of Newsmax.

And I'd be happy to use a lefty blog to cite for the Air America story. But yo know what? Not a single one of them have said "boo" about it. Now I wonder why that is? Can you figure it out?

And respect? Like I give a flying fvck what you think, the guy who has to rely on doctored Leno videos to slander Bush. Talk about partisan hacks with no respect. You take the cake.
and again.. swissshhhh... masterfully done
And some of conjur's little toadies chime in. How funny.

ah no, conjurs on his own, just find it somehow facinating when a discussion stops being a discussion and goes into what we have alot of here, what triggers it, how people read what they want to read from posts and links
 

BBond

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Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

So what did Bolton lie about, specifically? Biden's letter seems to omit that minor little detail.

Here asshat, let me spell it out for you...
YOU calling someone "asshat?"

Talk about irony overdose. :roll:

Are you going to comment on the information you requested?

Here's another article to help you get back to reality...

(BTW, when you sign an affidavit promising to tell the truth and then you don't that's a crime, not an inaccuracy. Just try it yourself and see. After all, you're no John Bolton.)

State Dept. now says Bolton gave inaccurate information

Friday, July 29, 2005
BY VICKI ALLEN AND SAUL HUDSON
REUTERS

WASHINGTON -- The State Department reversed itself last night and acknowledged that President Bush's U.N. ambassador nominee gave Congress inaccurate information about an investigation he was involved in.

The acknowledgment came after the State Department had earlier insisted nominee John Bolton's "answer was truthful" when he said he had not been questioned or provided information to jury or government investigations in the past five years.

"When Mr. Bolton completed his form during the Senate confirmation process he did not recall being interviewed by the State Department inspector general. Therefore, his form as submitted was inaccurate in this regard and he will correct the form," State Department spokesman Sean McCormack said.

Earlier, Sen. Joseph Biden (D- Del.). said he had information Bolton was interviewed as part of a joint investigation by the State Department and CIA into intelligence lapses that led to the Bush administration's pre-Iraq war claim that Iraq tried to buy uranium from Niger.

Biden, the top Democrat on the Foreign Relations Committee, said that should have been noted on the questionnaire, for which nominees swear out affidavits stating the information is true and accurate.

"It now appears that Mr. Bolton's answers may not meet that standard," Biden wrote in a letter to Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice.

McCormack also said Bolton was not interviewed in special prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald's investigation into who leaked the identity of CIA operative Valerie Plame. Earlier in the day, reporters questioned McCormack on whether Bolton testified before the federal grand jury investigating the case, as MSNBC reported last week.

Senate Democrats said the State Department should review whether Bolton's responses were accurate or incomplete.

The confirmation of Bolton, a favorite of conservatives, has been held up by accusations he tried to manipulate intelligence and intimidated intelligence analysts to support his hawkish views while in his position as the top U.S. diplomat for arms control.

"It seems unusual that Mr. Bolton would not remember his involvement in such a serious matter. In my mind, this raises more questions that need to be answered. I hope President Bush will not make the mistake of recess appointing Mr. Bolton," Biden said in response to the admission that Bolton's information was inaccurate.

Lacking votes in the Senate to confirm Bolton, the White House has left open the possibility it might appoint him while Congress takes its monthlong summer recess that starts this weekend. A recess appointment would expire in January 2007 when the new Congress convenes.
 
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Originally posted by: Czar
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: Czar
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: Czar
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

So what did Bolton lie about, specifically? Biden's letter seems to omit that minor little detail.
Here asshat, let me spell it out for you...
YOU calling someone "asshat?"

Talk about irony overdose. :roll:
heeey we got a new rip, dodges the argument just as well as rip did
Ayup. TLC is doing a great job playing the "avoid the topic" troll. Questioning RawStory but loving fringe blogs? Even when the RawStory article contained a copy of Biden's actual letter. And then dismissing an AP article?

TLC has lost any modicum of respect up here. He's become worthless to engage in debate.
Raw Story is the left's version of Newsmax.

And I'd be happy to use a lefty blog to cite for the Air America story. But yo know what? Not a single one of them have said "boo" about it. Now I wonder why that is? Can you figure it out?

And respect? Like I give a flying fvck what you think, the guy who has to rely on doctored Leno videos to slander Bush. Talk about partisan hacks with no respect. You take the cake.
and again.. swissshhhh... masterfully done
And some of conjur's little toadies chime in. How funny.

ah no, conjurs on his own, just find it somehow facinating when a discussion stops being a discussion and goes into what we have alot of here, what triggers it, how people read what they want to read from posts and links
Yeah. It's called starting a response off with an ad hom like "asshat" just as BBond did. That's what triggers it. Any further response in regards to the subject from him past that point is meaningless.

Anything else you're fascinated about?
 

Bowfinger

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Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Speaking of Sir Chicken avoiding the topic ...
It does no good discussing it with you because you keep using your brain.
Fixed.

You're demanding I accept your Bigfoot sighting on faith, even though you have yet to present a shred of factual evidence for it, even though you appear to totally alone in pushing your loony story, and even though the evidence against you is substantial, including a Senate SCI report that explicitly contradicts your claim. Sorry, your track record doesn't support accepting such an outlandish allegation based solely on your say-so. Your history of getting things wrongs is laregely unblemished.


If Wilson's information wasn't classified, then why did he have to clear it with the CIA first before he wrote his op-ed? He had no NDA, right? He could just say anything he wnted, according to you.
If Wilson did "clear it with the CIA first" as you suggest, where do you get off insisting he revealed classified information? Doh! You think maybe you might be just a wee bit full of yourself, insisting your opinion about what is and isn't classified is more credible than the CIA's? You either have an ego the size of Texas, or a brain the size of a chicken's.


But don't let little things like that get in the way of your ridiculous denial.
But don't let little things like facts and evidence and truth get in the way of your idolatrous Bush-fluffing. :roll:

 

Czar

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Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: Czar
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: Czar
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: Czar
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

So what did Bolton lie about, specifically? Biden's letter seems to omit that minor little detail.
Here asshat, let me spell it out for you...
YOU calling someone "asshat?"

Talk about irony overdose. :roll:
heeey we got a new rip, dodges the argument just as well as rip did
Ayup. TLC is doing a great job playing the "avoid the topic" troll. Questioning RawStory but loving fringe blogs? Even when the RawStory article contained a copy of Biden's actual letter. And then dismissing an AP article?

TLC has lost any modicum of respect up here. He's become worthless to engage in debate.
Raw Story is the left's version of Newsmax.

And I'd be happy to use a lefty blog to cite for the Air America story. But yo know what? Not a single one of them have said "boo" about it. Now I wonder why that is? Can you figure it out?

And respect? Like I give a flying fvck what you think, the guy who has to rely on doctored Leno videos to slander Bush. Talk about partisan hacks with no respect. You take the cake.
and again.. swissshhhh... masterfully done
And some of conjur's little toadies chime in. How funny.

ah no, conjurs on his own, just find it somehow facinating when a discussion stops being a discussion and goes into what we have alot of here, what triggers it, how people read what they want to read from posts and links
Yeah. It's called starting a response off with an ad hom like "asshat" just as BBond did. That's what triggers it. Any further response in regards to the subject from him past that point is meaningless.

Anything else you're fascinated about?
that is true, but it takes two for this to go on for as long as it usualy goes with you two
 
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Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Speaking of Sir Chicken avoiding the topic ...
It does no good discussing it with you because you keep using your brain.
Fixed.
One can only hope you've been fixed.

You're demanding I accept your Bigfoot sighting on faith, even though you have yet to present a shred of factual evidence for it, even though you appear to totally alone in pushing your loony story, and even though the evidence against you is substantial, including a Senate SCI report that explicitly contradicts your claim. Sorry, your track record doesn't support accepting such an outlandish allegation based solely on your say-so. Your history of getting things wrongs is laregely unblemished.
You mean the Senate report blurb that relates to Wilson's affiliation with the CIA that you keep parsing and ignoring the complete context of? Right. :roll:

Keep up the ignorance routine.

If Wilson's information wasn't classified, then why did he have to clear it with the CIA first before he wrote his op-ed? He had no NDA, right? He could just say anything he wnted, according to you.
If Wilson did "clear it with the CIA first" as you suggest, where do you get off insisting he revealed classified information? Doh! You think maybe you might be just a wee bit full of yourself, insisting your opinion about what is and isn't classified is more credible than the CIA's? You either have an ego the size of Texas, or a brain the size of a chicken's.
Let me 'splain it real slow for you, since your "fixed" brain doesn't quite get it.

Wilson's op-ed is not when I'm claiming he leaked the infromation. He leaked the information to a reporter BEFORE his op-ed and his statements were reported on as an anonymous source. So why did he have to clear his op-ed with the CIA if the information wasn't classified and he signed no NDA. According to you he could just say anything. Why did he have to be quoted as an anonymous source? He could just say anything, according to you, and so had no reason to hide, right? So what's your explanation?

But don't let little things like that get in the way of your ridiculous denial.
But don't let little things like facts and evidence and truth get in the way of your idolatrous Bush-fluffing. :roll:
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The only fluff around here is in your head.
 
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Originally posted by: Czar
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: Czar
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: Czar
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: Czar
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

So what did Bolton lie about, specifically? Biden's letter seems to omit that minor little detail.
Here asshat, let me spell it out for you...
YOU calling someone "asshat?"

Talk about irony overdose. :roll:
heeey we got a new rip, dodges the argument just as well as rip did
Ayup. TLC is doing a great job playing the "avoid the topic" troll. Questioning RawStory but loving fringe blogs? Even when the RawStory article contained a copy of Biden's actual letter. And then dismissing an AP article?

TLC has lost any modicum of respect up here. He's become worthless to engage in debate.
Raw Story is the left's version of Newsmax.

And I'd be happy to use a lefty blog to cite for the Air America story. But yo know what? Not a single one of them have said "boo" about it. Now I wonder why that is? Can you figure it out?

And respect? Like I give a flying fvck what you think, the guy who has to rely on doctored Leno videos to slander Bush. Talk about partisan hacks with no respect. You take the cake.
and again.. swissshhhh... masterfully done
And some of conjur's little toadies chime in. How funny.

ah no, conjurs on his own, just find it somehow facinating when a discussion stops being a discussion and goes into what we have alot of here, what triggers it, how people read what they want to read from posts and links
Yeah. It's called starting a response off with an ad hom like "asshat" just as BBond did. That's what triggers it. Any further response in regards to the subject from him past that point is meaningless.

Anything else you're fascinated about?
that is true, but it takes two for this to go on for as long as it usualy goes with you two
Obviously it takes more than two, as you an others heartily stoke the flames as well. Dogpile much?
 

Czar

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Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: Czar
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: Czar
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: Czar
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: Czar
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

So what did Bolton lie about, specifically? Biden's letter seems to omit that minor little detail.
Here asshat, let me spell it out for you...
YOU calling someone "asshat?"

Talk about irony overdose. :roll:
heeey we got a new rip, dodges the argument just as well as rip did
Ayup. TLC is doing a great job playing the "avoid the topic" troll. Questioning RawStory but loving fringe blogs? Even when the RawStory article contained a copy of Biden's actual letter. And then dismissing an AP article?

TLC has lost any modicum of respect up here. He's become worthless to engage in debate.
Raw Story is the left's version of Newsmax.

And I'd be happy to use a lefty blog to cite for the Air America story. But yo know what? Not a single one of them have said "boo" about it. Now I wonder why that is? Can you figure it out?

And respect? Like I give a flying fvck what you think, the guy who has to rely on doctored Leno videos to slander Bush. Talk about partisan hacks with no respect. You take the cake.
and again.. swissshhhh... masterfully done
And some of conjur's little toadies chime in. How funny.

ah no, conjurs on his own, just find it somehow facinating when a discussion stops being a discussion and goes into what we have alot of here, what triggers it, how people read what they want to read from posts and links
Yeah. It's called starting a response off with an ad hom like "asshat" just as BBond did. That's what triggers it. Any further response in regards to the subject from him past that point is meaningless.

Anything else you're fascinated about?
that is true, but it takes two for this to go on for as long as it usualy goes with you two
Obviously it takes more than two, as you an others heartily stoke the flames as well. Dogpile much?
flames are there to ruin a discussion and since this is not a discussion its not much to ruin

unless you call this bickering a discussion then please, go a head I'll butt out and just watch how it goes
 

DealMonkey

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Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Bwahahaha. Still smarting over that thread, eh? Those righteous and kind fruit loopers from Air America ripping off the poor kids and old people of New York. Shame on them.
Ahhh, I see the hypocrisy is strong in you TLC. Convicting Air America before any kind of investigation has completed or any proof of wrongdoing shown. Convicting them on the basis of a bunch of right-wing bloggers with anonymous sources who "claim" something happened, we don't know what exactly, but fact-checking be damned!

You're just as bad as the lefties who scream for Rove's blood.
 

Harvey

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Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Ahhh, I see the hypocrisy is strong in you TLC. Convicting Air America before any kind of investigation has completed or any proof of wrongdoing shown. Convicting them on the basis of a bunch of right-wing bloggers with anonymous sources who "claim" something happened, we don't know what exactly, but fact-checking be damned!

You're just as bad as the lefties who scream for Rove's blood.
He's worse because it has been established that Rove and Libby were among the White House sources for leaking Valerie Plame's identity. :|
 
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Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Bwahahaha. Still smarting over that thread, eh? Those righteous and kind fruit loopers from Air America ripping off the poor kids and old people of New York. Shame on them.
Ahhh, I see the hypocrisy is strong in you TLC. Convicting Air America before any kind of investigation has completed or any proof of wrongdoing shown. Convicting them on the basis of a bunch of right-wing bloggers with anonymous sources who "claim" something happened, we don't know what exactly, but fact-checking be damned!

You're just as bad as the lefties who scream for Rove's blood.
What did I "convict" Air America of? Am I claiming any of them should be "frogmarched" or "shot" like some of the morons in here have suggested about Rove?

You boys need to get your heads screwed on straight. Your lame attempts to attack me as doing the same thing or making the same type of overstatement, overreaction, and hyperbole as you make just shows how far you have to reach, spin, and twist things to make a point. And you consistently end up failing in the process and looking ignorant at the same time.

Congrats on failing yet again. Your ignorance and hypocritical bias is shining through.
 

DealMonkey

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Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
What did I "convict" Air America of? Am I claiming any of them should be "frogmarched" or "shot" like some of the morons in here have suggested about Rove?
What makes you think you have to make some sort of outrageous statement before you can convict someone in the court of public opinion? You've already decided via your many posts on the topic. Do I really need to quote them AGAIN?

You boys need to get your heads screwed on straight. Your lame attempts to attack me as doing the same thing or making the same type of overstatement, overreaction, and hyperbole as you make just shows how far you have to reach, spin, and twist things to make a point. And you consistently end up failing in the process and looking ignorant at the same time.

I'm attacking you for the same reason you're attacking the "looper lefties" as you have so maturely dubbed them. I'm attacking you for reaching a conclusion without having the needed evidence to do so. Reaching a conclusion before any investigation is completed, or any charges have been leveled. Reaching a conclusion based on pure speculation by biased bloggers and their anonymous sources.

I'm also attacking you for ridiculing sources as you've done numerous times in this very thread, when you post your own dubious sources in other threads. Links to right-wing bloggers who compare themselves to Rush Limbaugh. Links to op/ed pieces. Links to tabloids. Etc., etc.

You've become exactly the fruitloop you love to rail against. Congratulations on marginalizing yourself.
 

Harvey

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Originally posted by: DealMonkey
You've become exactly the fruitloop you love to rail against. Congratulations on marginalizing yourself.
:thumbsup: :beer:
 
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Wow... Almost 1400 posts and the issue is exactly where it was when I bailed out of this thread over 1000 posts ago.

All I can say is "wow"
 
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Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
What did I "convict" Air America of? Am I claiming any of them should be "frogmarched" or "shot" like some of the morons in here have suggested about Rove?
What makes you think you have to make some sort of outrageous statement before you can convict someone in the court of public opinion? You've already decided via your many posts on the topic. Do I really need to quote them AGAIN?

You boys need to get your heads screwed on straight. Your lame attempts to attack me as doing the same thing or making the same type of overstatement, overreaction, and hyperbole as you make just shows how far you have to reach, spin, and twist things to make a point. And you consistently end up failing in the process and looking ignorant at the same time.

I'm attacking you for the same reason you're attacking the "looper lefties" as you have so maturely dubbed them. I'm attacking you for reaching a conclusion without having the needed evidence to do so. Reaching a conclusion before any investigation is completed, or any charges have been leveled. Reaching a conclusion based on pure speculation by biased bloggers and their anonymous sources.

I'm also attacking you for ridiculing sources as you've done numerous times in this very thread, when you post your own dubious sources in other threads. Links to right-wing bloggers who compare themselves to Rush Limbaugh. Links to op/ed pieces. Links to tabloids. Etc., etc.

You've become exactly the fruitloop you love to rail against. Congratulations on marginalizing yourself.
Nice try, but that's not what you were doing. Let's review:

Ahhh, I see the hypocrisy is strong in you TLC. Convicting Air America before any kind of investigation has completed or any proof of wrongdoing shown.
I have made no "convictions" of anyone at Air America. What conclusion have I made? - The conclusion that public funds were transferred to AA from a NY organization.

Convicting them on the basis of a bunch of right-wing bloggers with anonymous sources who "claim" something happened, we don't know what exactly, but fact-checking be damned!
Again, I made no conviction. And, as I've already stated, the only reason I'm using right-wing bloggers is because they are the only ones covering this. btw, where did those "right-wing bloggers" get their information? Oh, that's right. It came from the articles in a couple of small newspapers, of which links have been provided to those articles. The information is there in those newspapers. Ignore the right-wing bloggers if you find them so offensive. Then again, you haven't shown thm to actually be wrong in their ascertians. Instead of addressing the topic you'd rather deflect the whole ordeal by weakly trying to beat on me instead.

Additionally, you keep ovelooking the fact that Air America itself has already admitted to the "transaction." So stop pretending like it doesn't exist and this story is nothing but hot air.

You're just as bad as the lefties who scream for Rove's blood.
Take some time to look at some of the 'out there' comments made about Rove and compare them to comments I made concerning the Air America issue. They are nowhere near equivalent. Nice attempt to equate me with the silly loopers making idiotic statements about Rove, but any actual analysis of the situation demonstrates that your claim falls flat on its face.

But thanks for recognizing, in a round about way, how bad those calling for Rove's blood really are. At least you're honest in that respect. :thumbsup:
 

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Hmmm, Air America. I've never bothered to read that thread, but if I'm assuming correctly, you're trying to deflect the accusations of the loopy left once again. Again let me guess, you don't give a hoot about AA, you're only objective is to counter the loopy left.

So just off the top of my head we have Rove, Bolton, and AA. Did I miss anyone/anything? You sure are doing a bang-up job of showing us all here what a true liberal you are.
 
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Originally posted by: Gaard
Hmmm, Air America. I've never bothered to read that thread, but if I'm assuming correctly, you're trying to deflect the accusations of the loopy left once again. Again let me guess, you don't give a hoot about AA, you're only objective is to counter the loopy left.

So just off the top of my head we have Rove, Bolton, and AA. Did I miss anyone/anything? You sure are doing a bang-up job of showing us all here what a true liberal you are.
Yes, I realize that in your mind that the only way someone can possibly be a liberal is to bash Bush or the Republicans relentlessly, viciously, and quite often vacuously. Since that seems to be the case for you, you may want to be very careful messing with the top of your head. I imagine it's a bit on the fragile side.

 

Gaard

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Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Yes, I realize that in your mind that the only way someone can possibly be a liberal is to bash Bush or the Republicans relentlessly, viciously, and quite often vacuously.
It just doesn't seem logical that if a person were a liberal, he'd spend hours bashing fellow liberals or Democrats relentlessly, viciously, and quite often vacu...vacuma...vaculla...er, inane.

 

DealMonkey

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Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Take some time to look at some of the 'out there' comments made about Rove and compare them to comments I made concerning the Air America issue. They are nowhere near equivalent. Nice attempt to equate me with the silly loopers making idiotic statements about Rove, but any actual analysis of the situation demonstrates that your claim falls flat on its face.

But thanks for recognizing, in a round about way, how bad those calling for Rove's blood really are. At least you're honest in that respect. :thumbsup:
You're welcome.

Frankly, I'm just tired of going 'round and 'round with you. It's like your CadSortaGuy's evil twin brother or something -- incapable of seeing what you're doing and how it's the SAME as those you choose to rail against here @ P&N.

It's no biggie TLC, the rest of us can clearly see what you're doing. You should try applying your own rigorous standards to your own posts once in a while. It would do you some good.
 
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