Karl Rove possibly tried for perjury?

[BBond]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
I'll wait to see the outcome of this situation before I label Rove a traitor. Even if he is guilty of this it doesn't make him a traitor, just a underhanded partisan bastard that would sacrifice the safety of an American Operative for political gains.

Unlike many people whose rights, thanks in no small part to KKKarl Rove, no longer include a presumption of innocence, of course Rove is innocent until proven guilty. But if he is guilty he is a traitor, IMO. A particularly heinous traitor when you take into account his ruthless attacks against people he labels traitors for refusing to agree with his sick view of America.

 

[imported_Condor]

What he said about liberals is still true!

 

[BBond]

Originally posted by: Condor
What he said about liberals is still true!

This is an example of why we can't compromise with these people.

 

[Ozoned]

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: Condor
What he said about liberals is still true!

This is an example of why we can't compromise with these people.

Compromise isn't necessary. Extinction of your species would be welcome thing to me. I don't know why we keep propping your kind up.

 

[imported_Condor]

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: Condor
What he said about liberals is still true!

This is an example of why we can't compromise with these people.

Compromise? Who said anything about compromise?

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

See... All this posturing about how Plame was this James Bond-like undercover agent and outing her was going to put lives at risk and ruin the best intel operation we had going in the middle east... I knew it had to be exaggerated.

So, from that ultra neo-con icon, The NY TImes

But other former C.I.A. officers say that by 2003 Ms. Wilson's cover was already thin. Any serious inquiry would have revealed that Brewster Jennings was little more than a mailbox. Though she traveled regularly, Ms. Wilson, who speaks French, German and Greek, had been working for some time at agency headquarters in Langley, Va. And her marriage to a senior American diplomat, Mr. Wilson, ended any pretense of having no government ties.

"At that point, she looks, walks and quacks like an overt agency employee," said Fred Rustmann, a C.I.A. officer from 1966 to 1990, who supervised Ms. Wilson early in her career and calls her "one of the best, an excellent officer."

Now, does this make what happened right? No.
Sould the person who did it be punished? Yes.

But...

Is this woman the Christ-like figure some are ginning her up to be? No.
Are the consequences for outing her as serious as some would like for us to believe? No.
Is this thing being blown wildly out of proportion for political purposes? Absolutely!

 

[BBond]

Originally posted by: Ozoned

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: Condor
What he said about liberals is still true!

This is an example of why we can't compromise with these people.

Compromise isn't necessary. Extinction of your species would be welcome thing to me. I don't know why we keep propping your kind up.

You welcome the extinction of the human race?

May I ask, what species are you?

 

[imported_Condor]

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
See... All this posturing about how Plame was this James Bond-like undercover agent and outing her was going to put lives at risk and ruin the best intel operation we had going in the middle east... I knew it had to be exaggerated.

So, from that ultra neo-con icon, The NY TImes

But other former C.I.A. officers say that by 2003 Ms. Wilson's cover was already thin. Any serious inquiry would have revealed that Brewster Jennings was little more than a mailbox. Though she traveled regularly, Ms. Wilson, who speaks French, German and Greek, had been working for some time at agency headquarters in Langley, Va. And her marriage to a senior American diplomat, Mr. Wilson, ended any pretense of having no government ties.

"At that point, she looks, walks and quacks like an overt agency employee," said Fred Rustmann, a C.I.A. officer from 1966 to 1990, who supervised Ms. Wilson early in her career and calls her "one of the best, an excellent officer."

Now, does this make what happened right? No.
Sould the person who did it be punished? Yes.

But...

Is this woman the Christ-like figure some are ginning her up to be? No.
Are the consequences for outing her as serious as some would like for us to believe? No.
Is this thing being blown wildly out of proportion for political purposes? Absolutely!

Correct! The intel community always knows who the spooks are. At my last post, we were warned that the other side would bend car radio ariels, key cars, leave cigarettes on furniture when the occupant was out and such in order to harress us. I wasn't there long before I discovered that they only did that to certain select people. People that I didn't even know as spooks. The enemy knew who they were better than we did!

 

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: Ozoned

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: Condor
What he said about liberals is still true!

This is an example of why we can't compromise with these people.

Compromise isn't necessary. Extinction of your species would be welcome thing to me. I don't know why we keep propping your kind up.

You welcome the extinction of the human race?

May I ask, what species are you?

Idiotrollicus giganticus, I do believe.

 

[BBond]

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: Ozoned

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: Condor
What he said about liberals is still true!

This is an example of why we can't compromise with these people.

Compromise isn't necessary. Extinction of your species would be welcome thing to me. I don't know why we keep propping your kind up.

You welcome the extinction of the human race?

May I ask, what species are you?

Idiotrollicus giganticus, I do believe.

Thanks Bowfinger. Excellent job identifying a once rare but now, unfortunately, very common right-wing American political species.

For a moment there I thought this was War of the Worlds. :laugh:

 

[Ozoned]

Originally posted by: Condor

The intel community always knows who the spooks are.

:shocked:

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
See... All this posturing about how Plame was this James Bond-like undercover agent and outing her was going to put lives at risk and ruin the best intel operation we had going in the middle east... I knew it had to be exaggerated.

So, from that ultra neo-con icon, The NY TImes

But other former C.I.A. officers say that by 2003 Ms. Wilson's cover was already thin. Any serious inquiry would have revealed that Brewster Jennings was little more than a mailbox. Though she traveled regularly, Ms. Wilson, who speaks French, German and Greek, had been working for some time at agency headquarters in Langley, Va. And her marriage to a senior American diplomat, Mr. Wilson, ended any pretense of having no government ties.

"At that point, she looks, walks and quacks like an overt agency employee," said Fred Rustmann, a C.I.A. officer from 1966 to 1990, who supervised Ms. Wilson early in her career and calls her "one of the best, an excellent officer."

Now, does this make what happened right? No.
Sould the person who did it be punished? Yes.

But...

Is this woman the Christ-like figure some are ginning her up to be? No.
Are the consequences for outing her as serious as some would like for us to believe? No.
Is this thing being blown wildly out of proportion for political purposes? Absolutely!

Exactly. :thumbsup:

 

[NeenerNeener]

"Compromise isn't necessary. Extinction of your species would be welcome thing to me. I don't know why we keep propping your kind up."

Got Crack?

All this stuff isn't new news. Her Husband, Joe Wilson wrote a book about his wife getting outted a year or two ago. Nothing has been done about it yet. Ozoned, did you forget your medication? Extinction? Did somebody watch War of the Worlds over the weekend?

 

[piasabird]

The more Liberals hate someone, the more I think he might be a really great guy.

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: piasabird
The more Liberals hate someone, the more I think he might be a really great guy.

That really shows your high moral values. You people are a fraud.

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

Can you see the pieces moving around on the board?

First you have the accusation - Someone outed an undercover agent.

Then the Public disclosure - "It was Rove! It was Rove!"

Then the lefties get all worked up.

Then we find out that the under cover agent was undercover in job title only and was really a 9-5er in Langly getting ready to start climbing the management ladder.

Then the press decides that the story isn't as juicy as they hoped since the outted CIA agent isn't really what she was initially said to be (and therefore isn't damaging ENOUGH to the administration to warrant the expediture of resources that would be required to finish the story).

With the exception of a few indignant lefties the story slowly fades away. Eventually a low level staffer is fired and a short apology from someone inconsequential is released late one Friday evening.

The whole episode morphs into urban legend...

 

[Ozoned]

Originally posted by: NeenerNeener
"Compromise isn't necessary. Extinction of your species would be welcome thing to me. I don't know why we keep propping your kind up."

Got Crack?

All this stuff isn't new news. Her Husband, Joe Wilson wrote a book about his wife getting outted a year or two ago. Nothing has been done about it yet. Ozoned, did you forget your medication? Extinction? Did somebody watch War of the Worlds over the weekend?

No, some one was responding in kind to the weak rhetoric spouted off by the forums lunatic fringe element. Do you need a drawing to follow along?

 

[Ozoned]

Originally posted by: piasabird
The more Liberals hate someone, the more I think he might be a really great guy.

Political science major?

 

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: piasabird
The more Liberals hate someone, the more I think he might be a really great guy.

That really shows your high moral values. You people are a fraud.

No kidding. What a bunch of slimeballs. Now they're rationalizing that it's no big deal to expose covert intelligence operatives, declaring in their self-righteous apologist ferver that they are qualified to decide the impact of this crime. Funny how these so-called America-loving patriots are so willing to sacrifice our security when the alternative is acknowledging the brains of their holiness in the White House might have done something wrong. Any bets on whether they'd be equally dismissive if the alleged perpetrator was a Democrat? ROFL.

 

[shurato]

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: Ozoned

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: Condor
What he said about liberals is still true!

This is an example of why we can't compromise with these people.

Compromise isn't necessary. Extinction of your species would be welcome thing to me. I don't know why we keep propping your kind up.

You welcome the extinction of the human race?

May I ask, what species are you?

Species Nazi by the way some of these chickenhawks violently spout off... you'd think fascism is making a come back or something.

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: piasabird
The more Liberals hate someone, the more I think he might be a really great guy.

That really shows your high moral values. You people are a fraud.

No kidding. What a bunch of slimeballs. Now they're rationalizing that it's no big deal to expose covert intelligence operatives, declaring in their self-righteous apologist ferver that they are qualified to decide the impact of this crime. Funny how these so-called America-loving patriots are so willing to sacrifice our security when the alternative is acknowledging the brains of their holiness in the White House might have done something wrong. Any bets on whether they'd be equally dismissive if the alleged perpetrator was a Democrat? ROFL.

Patriotism to the right wing is a commodity to be bought, sold and traded whenever it suits their political needs. It's disgusting.

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: piasabird
The more Liberals hate someone, the more I think he might be a really great guy.

That really shows your high moral values. You people are a fraud.

No kidding. What a bunch of slimeballs. Now they're rationalizing that it's no big deal to expose covert intelligence operatives, declaring in their self-righteous apologist ferver that they are qualified to decide the impact of this crime. Funny how these so-called America-loving patriots are so willing to sacrifice our security when the alternative is acknowledging the brains of their holiness in the White House might have done something wrong. Any bets on whether they'd be equally dismissive if the alleged perpetrator was a Democrat? ROFL.

This is a perfect example. You guys are making her out to be something that she wasn't when this happened. Outing a NOC is a terrible thing but that isn't what happened in this case. And that is a big reason why it's hard to take people like you seriously. You seem to think that it's OK to exaggerate the facts and twist reality so long as it furthers your argument. And if there is even the slightest possibility that Dubbya or anyone in his administration might have their feet held to the fire then you suspend the rules of truth and logic altogether.

Like I said waaaaay back up this thread, you guys are jumping the gun here. You're getting all excited before the facts come out and you're going to end up looking silly.

 

[BBond]

Originally posted by: Ozoned

Originally posted by: Condor

The intel community always knows who the spooks are.

:shocked:

Too bad they couldn't figure out who the terrorists were. Or whether WMD existed.

If the identity of our agents under Non-Official Cover is such public knowledge, then why is there a law against revealing their names that comes with up to a ten year sentence for doing so?

Why doesn't the CIA just publish a directory?

Because this is just another in a very long and ever growing line of ridiculous justifications for what is treasonous behavior on Rove's part. When Bush administration members are caught with their hand in the cookie jar, suddenly it's OK to have your hand in the cookie jar.

This is the most morally bankrupt administration America has ever suffered under.

 

[Ozoned]

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: piasabird
The more Liberals hate someone, the more I think he might be a really great guy.

That really shows your high moral values. You people are a fraud.

No kidding. What a bunch of slimeballs. Now they're rationalizing that it's no big deal to expose covert intelligence operatives, declaring in their self-righteous apologist ferver that they are qualified to decide the impact of this crime. Funny how these so-called America-loving patriots are so willing to sacrifice our security when the alternative is acknowledging the brains of their holiness in the White House might have done something wrong. Any bets on whether they'd be equally dismissive if the alleged perpetrator was a Democrat? ROFL.

This is a perfect example. You guys are making her out to be something that she wasn't when this happened. Outing a NOC is a terrible thing but that isn't what happened in this case. And that is a big reason why it's hard to take people like you seriously. You seem to think that it's OK to exaggerate the facts and twist reality so long as it furthers your argument. And if there is even the slightest possibility that Dubbya or anyone in his administration might have their feet held to the fire then you suspend the rules of truth and logic altogether.

Like I said waaaaay back up this thread, you guys are jumping the gun here. You're getting all excited before the facts come out and you're going to end up looking silly.

If you really want to have a discussion with these idiots, you need to learn to play the game that they want to play it. They won't have it any other way. Have a nice day.

 

[BBond]

Originally posted by: piasabird
The more Liberals hate someone, the more I think he might be a really great guy.

And this ridiculously skewed "logic" is why George W Bush is in the White House instead of jail, where he belongs.

Bush didn't win. The Republicans, always fond of attacking Democrats for being only anti-Bush and not having solutions or ideas, didn't vote for Bush, they voted against liberals. Thereby accomplishing the prime example of their complaint.