Karma's a bitch: The Swedish case against Julian Assange is leaked.

[dwell]

If you care to see beyond your narcissistic inclinations, what Wikileaks is doing has the potential to help the U.S. as well by allowing the U.S. government to rectify its conduct and play fair on the world stage. It can choose to ignore and suppress such information and its bearers and continue to throw its weight around like a bully, though at its own peril.

Yeah because other world governments play by the rules

You sound like an Al-Qaeda sympathizer.

 

[nublikescake]

Shut up, please. The State Department already has a mechanism for releasing classified State Department cables to the public. We don't need a rapist publishing secret info.

Funny that people that talk about "fairness" and "equality" are those that are second class...

Ha ha. So you resort to personal attacks now when you can't back up anything you claim with a shred of evidence. Then again, you don't need to since you're a "first class" citizen of a superpower. Keep up the good work!

 

[nublikescake]

YYou sound like an Al-Qaeda sympathizer.

And you sound like Bill O'Reilly...throwing labels at opponents when all else fails.

For some reason, I expected you guys to go on a little longer with discussing this issue but you guys resorted to personal attacks fast.

 

[Wordplay]

Uh you said he hopes he gets what's coming to him for this rape, how do you know he is guilty? We here in the USA believe in innocent until proven guilty.

OJ did it!!!

They decided to head to her place,” by train, but Mr. Assange told her that he did not have any money, and that he feared he could be traced if he used his credit card. She bought their tickets, for about $16 each.

Pay my way bitch!! lol

The unredacted police report obtained by the Guardian says that the two had sex, with a condom. In the report she described waking up to find him having sex with her again, without a condom. Later that morning, Ms. W. told police, Mr. Assange “ordered her to get some water and orange juice for him”. She said “she didn’t like being ordered around in her own home but got it anyway.” That account led to the prosecutors listing rape among the allegations they wanted to question Mr. Assange about.

lol... now make me a sammich on the double.

 

[dwell]

And you sound like Bill O'Reilly...throwing labels at opponents when all else fails.

I don't watch Fox News, I have a mind of my own and in that mind people like you and Assange supporters are tools in every sense of the word.

 

[dwell]

Hey, Assange’s Celeb Supporters, What Time’s Your Protest Outside Quantico? Oh.

In case you’ve forgotten, Private First Class Manning – surely the most comically inappropriate honorific since the McChicken Supreme – is the 23-year-old soldier accused of passing thousands of diplomatic cables to Wikileaks in the first place. Specifically he’s accused of downloading 260,000 documents onto a CD, before disguising the disc as a Lady Gaga album and passing it on to Assange. He’s also accused of passing on the infamous “Collateral Murder” video. Thanks to the splendid reporting of Salon’s Glen Greenwald, we know that Manning spends 23 hours a day in his cell, where he is banned from exercising or doing anything else which might help prevent him going mad. He’s already been there for five months (plus two prior months in prison in Kuwait) and it doesn’t look like he’ll be leaving any time soon.

And yet for all my cynicism, I would dearly love to see Assange’s celebrity supporters marching on Manning’s jailers with the same furious cries of “Habeus Corpus!” with which they demanded their media-friendly hero’s release. It would certainly show that they were serious in their convictions: unlike springing Assange from Wandsworth prison – which simply involved throwing money at the problem – getting Manning out of Quantico would put campaigners directly at odds with the might of the US military, and would drag them into a case that will take years – maybe even decades – to resolve, mostly away from the glare of the TV cameras.

Assange supporters: tools.

You have to wonder if Assange looked like Kevin Mitnick if he'd have half as many sympathizers.

 

[Linflas]

Assange is an easy guy to dislike but he is not a US citizen, does not live in the US, and owes not one shred of loyalty to the US. If it turns out that all the leaked documents came from Manning then he is the one the full weight of the US legal system and law should be focused on. He is a US citizen and swore and oath to uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States.

 

[sourceninja]

There is nothing wrong with spying and I do not consider that wrong in any way whatsoever. Also, I was talking about the diplomatic cables but I don't have a problem with gunships mowing down suspected insurgents. If there was something illegal about #2 those responsible would've been dealt with. You are a very sensitive man.

What about the leaks showing our allies supporting the Taliban and our own government still giving them millions if not billions of our cash. What about finding out that all that cash wasn't used for barbed wire fences (26 million of US cash wasted), helicopters (55 million of US cash wasted), anti-air weapons (70 million wasted) and medical aid (340 million wasted) after all (Especially during a time when we could use that cash more here at home for things like unemployment!). Basically US aid will not stop Pakistan supporting militants yet we give them hundreds of millions anyway. What about finding out that we are unsure are own allies even have a firm grip on their own nuclear weapons and at the same time are being warned by russia that our own allies might become a extremist nation?

What about our government helping Pakistani army cover up hundreds of extra-judicial killings in Swat Valley? What about the reveal that Saudi Arabia wants military rule in Pakistan and the Pakistani army chief considered plan to oust president? Scary when you think they have nukes. What about leaks showing our allies helping terrorist groups evade UN sanctions?

The list just keeps growing.

Julian Assange is more american then many of our politicians, even if that statement probably offends Julian. The man has done a great service to this country's citizens. It should be a wake up call at the state of our government and a call to fix/change it.

 

[PimpJuice]

At least I don't blindly support the actions of our tyrannical government.

and what are you doing about it besides bitching on a forum? Also, when do you plan on leaving this country? Is there anything we can do to make it quicker?

GTFO Troll

 

[sourceninja]

Hey, Assange’s Celeb Supporters, What Time’s Your Protest Outside Quantico? Oh.





Assange supporters: tools.

You have to wonder if Assange looked like Kevin Mitnick if he'd have half as many sympathizers.

I 100% think the man who leaked US secrets should be charged with treason and executed/jailed for life. I do not want my countries secrets leaked so easily. I also 100% think what wikileaks did is a good thing and a necessary thing. I am 100% behind wikileaks. I'm even switching banks because of them.

So to paraphrase, let's grill the US citizen who leaked the info, then let's drop it, learn from it and move on.

 

[PimpJuice]

He was the delivery boy, the messenger. You don't shoot the messenger. How hard is that to understand? Just because he's an idiot douche bag with a God complex doesn't change the fact he is nothing more than a messenger.

Jesus was a messenger and we saw what happened to him

 

[AyashiKaibutsu]

Jesus was a messenger and we saw what happened to him

So you're saying assange is here to save us from the goverment? or just our sins?

 

[nublikescake]

I 100% think the man who leaked US secrets should be charged with treason and executed/jailed for life. I do not want my countries secrets leaked so easily. I also 100% think what wikileaks did is a good thing and a necessary thing. I am 100% behind wikileaks. I'm even switching banks because of them.

So to paraphrase, let's grill the US citizen who leaked the info, then let's drop it, learn from it and move on.

So you're saying that Manning should be executed/jailed for life or just grilled?

 

[sourceninja]

So you're saying that Manning should be executed/jailed for life or just grilled?

I'm saying he should be punished in a manner fitting of stealing top secret documents and leaking them to foreigners. Now traditionally that is treason and the punishment is severe. While I am glad the information is public, I think it would be wise for the US to set an example to it's internal ranks as to what happens to people who leak confidential intel.

 

[oogabooga]

Didn't really read the thread - but I don't understand the Karma's a bitch - if anything isn't this what he really wants/proves his point? Transparency reveals stuff like this - but for governments?

 

[nublikescake]

I'm saying he should be punished in a manner fitting of stealing top secret documents and leaking them to foreigners. Now traditionally that is treason and the punishment is severe. While I am glad the information is public, I think it would be wise for the US to set an example to it's internal ranks as to what happens to people who leak confidential intel.

I understand the point that there needs to be systems in place to protect confidential information and a penal system to address those who violate the code of conduct. BUT, how else would information get out? As you said, you clearly support organizations like Wikileaks but how will they get their hands on such information if whistle-blowers are dealt with so harshly. In such a situation, no one will come forward until AFTER it's too late.

In other words, you can't have your cake and eat it too.

 

[PimpJuice]

So you're saying assange is here to save us from the goverment? or just our sins?

I'm saying they're both messengers. Don't read into it.

 

[Phokus]

Thanks to Assange, i learned that not only did the US government kidnap and torture an innocent man, they applied political pressure on Germany and other countries who had those CIA spies involved in that kidnap into not prosecuting them. I just want to thank Assange for exposing this corruption.

 

[Phokus]

DO I? No...DID I at the time? You betcha. I was in Vietnam when he released the Pentagon Papers...I would have been extremely happy to have had Mr. Ellsberg dropped into one of our forward areas...and would have gladly cut his fucking throat for him...or tied him to a tree and left him for the VC.

You are a fascist. All he did was expose the government's lies.

 

[dwell]

You are a fascist. All he did was expose the government's lies.

And profited from it where the dumb schmuck who actually leaked the document sits in a detention center.

 

[FDF12389]

And profited from it where the dumb schmuck who actually leaked the document sits in a detention center.

Who is at fault for that?

 

[sourceninja]

I understand the point that there needs to be systems in place to protect confidential information and a penal system to address those who violate the code of conduct. BUT, how else would information get out? As you said, you clearly support organizations like Wikileaks but how will they get their hands on such information if whistle-blowers are dealt with so harshly. In such a situation, no one will come forward until AFTER it's too late.

In other words, you can't have your cake and eat it too.

No I can. The government should be doing all they can to keep what they feel is necessary secret within the rule of law. The news agencies (I consider wikileaks a news agency) should be doing all they can to uncover truth and expose wrong doing.

That is what I"m saying.

 

[dwell]

Who is at fault for that?

Assange himself. His motivation is not as pure as he lets on. I've said it before in this thread and I will say it again, if his motivation was the freedom of information, why is he slowly leaking things out and not just releasing everything at once?

 

[moshquerade]

Assange himself. His motivation is not as pure as he lets on. I've said it before in this thread and I will say it again, if his motivation was the freedom of information, why is he slowly leaking things out and not just releasing everything at once?

He is a very crafty, calculating individual. Also, this is his meal ticket. The guy will be getting "donations" as long as he keeps this going to set himself up nicely for the rest of his life. Not a bad deal.

 

[nublikescake]

No I can. The government should be doing all they can to keep what they feel is necessary secret within the rule of law. The news agencies (I consider wikileaks a news agency) should be doing all they can to uncover truth and expose wrong doing.

That is what I"m saying.

Again, if he's punished for revealing secrets that show wrongdoing, how is it fair to punish him? I understand that as an institution, the military should have systems in place to protect secrets and punish those who reveal such secrets. I completely support that. That's fine as long as those secrets are legitimate, i.e. they contain information about morally and ethically acceptable conduct by the military.

BUT, what if the secrets show wrongdoing? What happens to a person leaking these kinds of secrets? Should he still be punished even though, in this case, he would be exposing immoral/unethical/unconstitutional acts committed by the organization? If you say yes, then I come back to what I said earlier:

"how else would information get out? As you said, you clearly support organizations like Wikileaks but how will they get their hands on such information if whistle-blowers are dealt with so harshly. In such a situation, no one will come forward until AFTER it's too late."