Kavanaugh SCOTUS Senate Judicial Hearing

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K1052

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I heard this morning that each side will get 5 minutes for Kavanaugh and 5 minutes for Ford. That's it. Did I hear that right?

Per Senator but yes it seems insufficient. Republicans will probably yield all their time to the counsel they hired. I'd expect the Dems to do their own but some may yield their time to the more effective members. Harris and Klobuchar seem the most able and best equipped.
 

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Ahhhh, per senator. That was the part I missed. Ok, that makes way more sense. Thanks!
 

HomerJS

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Per Senator but yes it seems insufficient. Republicans will probably yield all their time to the counsel they hired. I'd expect the Dems to do their own but some may yield their time to the more effective members. Harris and Klobuchar seem the most able and best equipped.
Hmmm seems sometimes there is an advantage to diversity. Republicans have never believed in it. They want it now because they look bad.

They should wear their "We are the party of white guys" proudly like a street lamp.
 

echo4747

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Then you would get destroyed as a witness, especially if you were testifying to something where your memory was imperfect. Attorneys are experts at tricking people into giving inconsistent answers even when the witness is attempting to be entirely truthful.

If you were part of a case and told your lawyer that you didn’t need to prepare for a deposition or trial because you were going to tell the truth they would tell you that you’re a fool.
If you testify to something where your memory is imperfect, Then she should just state that fact (" I dont recall" or "I'm not entirely certain")
 

Starbuck1975

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You may have done so but that doesn’t mean that was a good idea.

I would love to see if a single one of the actual lawyers on here think Ford would be smart to go into this proceeding without any preparation because she planned to tell the truth.

A single, solitary one.
Didn’t have a choice in the matter. The truth doesn’t change regardless if how clever someone may be in asking the questions.
 

K1052

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So Kavanaugh released his calendar for 1982 and somebody noticed something...





 

HomerJS

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Didn’t have a choice in the matter. The truth doesn’t change regardless if how clever someone may be in asking the questions.
The truth doesn't change but some people are skilled at question phrasing and when they get you to agree you are cornered.

It would be best practice for anyone giving critical testimony to rehearse. Especially listening carefully and taking your time to answer.
 

fskimospy

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Didn’t have a choice in the matter. The truth doesn’t change regardless if how clever someone may be in asking the questions.

This is naive. The truth doesn’t change but what other people perceive of your truthfulness sure does and in a case like this that’s all that matters.

Have you really never been in an argument or discussion with someone where they were able to twist your words into making you sound dishonest or wrong even though you knew you were right? That was almost certainly a discussion with a layperson. Now imagine what someone who does that for a living, was specifically selected for the task of discrediting you, and has spent a significant amount of time preparing for that discussion with you could do.

Serious offer - if you can find one lawyer on here who will agree with you that she does not need to prepare if she’s telling the truth I’ll concede your point. Just one.
 

fskimospy

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Who the hell would keep calendars from the early 80s?

Definitely weird. Also even if the party isn’t on there why would that be even the slightest surprise? I know when I was a kid I didn’t keep a calendar of all the underage drinking or other shady shit I was planning on doing. I got caught enough without giving my parents a blueprint.
 

HomerJS

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Definitely weird. Also even if the party isn’t on there why would that be even the slightest surprise? I know when I was a kid I didn’t keep a calendar of all the underage drinking or other shady shit I was planning on doing. I got caught enough without giving my parents a blueprint.
This guy seems to have some weird character flaws.

Completely different from keeping a journal or notes as part of your profession.
 
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K1052

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This is naive. The truth doesn’t change but what other people perceive of your truthfulness sure does and in a case like this that’s all that matters.

Have you really never been in an argument or discussion with someone where they were able to twist your words into making you sound dishonest or wrong even though you knew you were right? That was almost certainly a discussion with a layperson. Now imagine what someone who does that for a living, was specifically selected for the task of discrediting you, and has spent a significant amount of time preparing for that discussion with you could do.

Serious offer - if you can find one lawyer on here who will agree with you that she does not need to prepare if she’s telling the truth I’ll concede your point. Just one.

I once watched a prep session for a cross examination in a civil case of someone I knew to be telling the truth. The lawyer playing the opposing counsel fucking demolished them.

Not to be well prepared by counsel would be incredibly naive.
 
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fskimospy

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This guy seems to have some weird character flaws.

Completely different from keep a journal or notes as part of your profession.

I can see keeping a journal even not in a professional capacity. Honestly, a calendar of what I was doing my senior year in high school would probably be interesting to look through 40 years later (or depressing, haha). I never would have thought to keep it at the time though.
 

Starbuck1975

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This is naive. The truth doesn’t change but what other people perceive of your truthfulness sure does and in a case like this that’s all that matters.
That applies to both the accuser and accused. As you have pointed out, this is a job interview, so perception is what’s at stake.

Have you really never been in an argument or discussion with someone where they were able to twist your words into making you sound dishonest or wrong even though you knew you were right?
Yes, the waterboys here do it often

That was almost certainly a discussion with a layperson. Now imagine what someone who does that for a living, was specifically selected for the task of discrediting you, and has spent a significant amount of time preparing for that discussion with you could do.
Answering truthfully would prevent them from discrediting me, unless of course there are holes in my story.

Serious offer - if you can find one lawyer on here who will agree with you that she does not need to prepare if she’s telling the truth I’ll concede your point. Just one.
Doesn’t matter. Of course lawyers are going to advise coaching, that is their livelihood after all.

I believe you were Navy. I have to assume you dealt with military discipline at some point. When there is an NCO in your face looking for answers, there is no preparation or coaching...its the truth or nothing. The simplicity works remarkably well.
 

fskimospy

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I once watched a prep session for a cross examination in a civil case once of someone I knew to be telling the truth. The lawyer playing the opposing counsel fucking demolished them.

Not to be well prepared by counsel would be incredibly naive.

Hell, I dated a lawyer who worked for a high powered law firm for about a year and a half and she was great at winning arguments she hadn’t even prepared for (OR DID SHE?!) even if I knew I was right. I can only imagine what she could do if she got days or weeks to get ready.
 

Maxima1

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This guy seems to have some weird character flaws.

Completely different from keep a journal or notes as part of your profession.

A lot of affluent households probably have reams of old & forgettable crap in them. I think it's weirder for him to even attempt to use it as some kind of viable defense. It's pathetically weak.
 

fskimospy

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That applies to both the accuser and accused. As you have pointed out, this is a job interview, so perception is what’s at stake.

Yes, the waterboys here do it often

If jokers on here can do it to you then you would stand no chance in Ford’s situation. It would be a massacre.

Answering truthfully would prevent them from discrediting me, unless of course there are holes in my story.

There are holes in every story because no one’s memory is perfect.

Doesn’t matter. Of course lawyers are going to advise coaching, that is their livelihood after all.

Oh give me a break. Witness preparation is not some racket to drive up fees. It’s done because they want to win. That’s why for big cases they get outside witness preparation experts at great expense.

I believe you were Navy. I have to assume you dealt with military discipline at some point. When there is an NCO in your face looking for answers, there is no preparation or coaching...its the truth or nothing. The simplicity works remarkably well.

Discipline on the ship is not fundamentally adversarial and your NCO (usually) stands nothing to gain by discrediting you. Therefore you’re both trying to get to the truth.

The exact opposite is true here. The side without the truth is going to be laser focused on discrediting the side telling the truth and they are very effective at it.

Find me a lawyer, any lawyer that would say preparation wasn’t necessary here. One.
 

UNCjigga

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So Kavanaugh released his calendar for 1982 and somebody noticed something...






I’m sure Mr. Whelan will be along with a floor plan for Timmy’s house any minute now...

Was Kavanaugh in avid water skier? Is water skiing popular on the Potomac? I don’t know why he’d be getting any other skis in July.

If that’s a reference to a drinking party, then Kavanaugh’s already caught in another lie—nevermind Ford.
 
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1prophet

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That applies to both the accuser and accused. As you have pointed out, this is a job interview, so perception is what’s at stake.

Yes, the waterboys here do it often

Answering truthfully would prevent them from discrediting me, unless of course there are holes in my story.

Doesn’t matter. Of course lawyers are going to advise coaching, that is their livelihood after all.

I believe you were Navy. I have to assume you dealt with military discipline at some point. When there is an NCO in your face looking for answers, there is no preparation or coaching...its the truth or nothing. The simplicity works remarkably well.
 

Commodus

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I have to scratch my head. Why would Kavanaugh claim he has a calendar that exonerates him when, if anything, it digs the hole deeper? Mind you, I don't think there's any three-dimensional chess going on here... more than likely he's just not particularly bright and didn't think people would pay close attention.
 

Indus

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I’m sure Mr. Whelan will be along with a floor plan for Timmy’s house any minute now...

Was Kavanaugh in avid water skier? Is water skiing popular on the Potomac? I don’t know why he’d be getting any other skis in July.

If that’s a reference to a drinking party, then Kavanaugh’s already caught in another lie—nevermind Ford.

wow! just wow!

That calendar is gonna prove Dr. Blasey is not lying since she mentioned a P.J. at the party.
 

1prophet

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That applies to both the accuser and accused. As you have pointed out, this is a job interview, so perception is what’s at stake.

Yes, the waterboys here do it often

Answering truthfully would prevent them from discrediting me, unless of course there are holes in my story.

Doesn’t matter. Of course lawyers are going to advise coaching, that is their livelihood after all.

I believe you were Navy. I have to assume you dealt with military discipline at some point. When there is an NCO in your face looking for answers, there is no preparation or coaching...its the truth or nothing. The simplicity works remarkably well.

That works remarkably well if they don't have an agenda, prejudice, or looking for a fall guy,

in the real world the truth can be twisted to make you look guilty,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-7o9xYp7eE

 
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