Kavanaugh SCOTUS Senate Judicial Hearing

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dawp

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I’m sure Mr. Whelan will be along with a floor plan for Timmy’s house any minute now...

Was Kavanaugh in avid water skier? Is water skiing popular on the Potomac? I don’t know why he’d be getting any other skis in July.

If that’s a reference to a drinking party, then Kavanaugh’s already caught in another lie—nevermind Ford.

I was in high school in the late seventies, graduated in 81, and the term brewskies was popular, and if that school had the party atmosphere mine did then ski's more than likely it's referring to beers.
 

Starbuck1975

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If jokers on here can do it to you then you would stand no chance in Ford’s situation. It would be a massacre.
lol, you just did it, nice pivot

There are holes in every story because no one’s memory is perfect.
That is such BS. There is only one version of the truth based on observable or verifiable fact. If you cannot verify something, you answer truthfully that you cannot recall.

Oh give me a break. Witness preparation is not some racket to drive up fees. It’s done because they want to win. That’s why for big cases they get outside witness preparation experts at great expense.
Winning. Not justice or truth. Winning.

Discipline on the ship is not fundamentally adversarial and your NCO (usually) stands nothing to gain by discrediting you. Therefore you’re both trying to get to the truth.
Situations often emerge in the military where there is a failure of leadership (training fatality, DUI, brawl at the local bar), and enlisted soldiers are asked to help the senior officer or commander sort through a lot of data. Discrediting is absolutely in play, and there are no lawyers to coach how you should answer direct questions from a superior officer.

The exact opposite is true here. The side without the truth is going to be laser focused on discrediting the side telling the truth and they are very effective at it.
How do you know who is telling the truth? Were you there?

Find me a lawyer, any lawyer that would say preparation wasn’t necessary here. One.
Don’t need to because you’ve thrown down an irrelevant gauntlet
 
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IronWing

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I checked it out. July 01, 1982 was indeed a Thursday. If it's fake, it's a quality fake.


Also, the real mystery: what is the combination to? What did Mr. Kavanaugh have locked away?
 

fskimospy

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lol, you just did it, nice pivot

How did I do it? This makes no sense. What I said is almost certainly true, if you went into something like this with no preparation it would be a massacre.

That is such BS. There is only one version of the truth based on observable or verifiable fact. If you cannot verify something, you answer truthfully that you cannot recall.

Now THIS is BS. Empirical research clearly shows that people's memories are highly imperfect and even things they truthfully believe happened did not. I have no doubt that large quantities of things you believe you observed never happened, or at least didn't happen as you remember them. A skilled attorney will find one of those strings and pull on it until you unravel entirely.

Winning. Not justice or truth. Winning.

Yep, and that's our system. Witness preparation is done because it's absolutely necessary. Plenty of people think just like you, that if they tell the truth they will do just fine. Many, many people have learned extremely costly lessons about how that's not true.

Situations often emerge in the military where there is a failure of leadership (training fatality, DUI, brawl at the local bar), and enlisted soldiers are asked to help the senior officer or commander sort through a lot of data. Discrediting is absolutely in play, and there are no lawyers to coach how you should answer direct questions from a superior officer.

I don't think you understand what I mean by discrediting. Everyone there is still ostensibly working together to find the truth. In our system one side is often affirmatively working to obscure the truth.

How do you know who is telling the truth? Were you there?

It doesn't matter - no matter which side is telling the truth (likely both sides are telling the truth to a certain degree) they will be subject to aggressive attempts to discredit them. You can bet your ass Kavanaugh has been preparing like a madman for his testimony regardless of whether he's telling the truth or not. Let's say Kavanaugh is telling the truth, are you saying someone with his legal experience is foolish and should be following your advice?

Don’t need to because you’ve thrown down an irrelevant gauntlet

Can you explain why the professional opinion of experts in the field with actual experience in the issue is not relevant here? Wouldn't that be among the most relevant things?
 
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Starbuck1975

Lifer
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How did I do it? This makes no sense. What I said is almost certainly true, if you went into something like this with no preparation it would be a massacre.
I already told you I have gone in to something like this, on more than one occasion, and my only protection was the truth. Sure, it wasn’t for a SCOTUS seat, but it did impact the trajectory of people’s careers, so it was a situation of incredible stress and pressure.


Now THIS is BS. Empirical research clearly shows that people's memories are highly imperfect and even things they truthfully believe happened did not. I have no doubt that large quantities of things you believe you observed never happened, or at least didn't happen as you remember them. A skilled attorney will find one of those strings and pull on it until you unravel entirely.
Which is why we don’t embrace allegations on face value.

Yep, and that's our system. Witness preparation is done because it's absolutely necessary. Plenty of people think just like you, that if they tell the truth they will do just fine. Many, many people have learned extremely costly lessons about how that's not true.
My personal experience was that the truth is what protected me.

It doesn't matter - no matter which side is telling the truth (likely both sides are telling the truth to a certain degree) they will be subject to aggressive attempts to discredit them. You can bet your ass Kavanaugh has been preparing like a madman for his testimony regardless of whether he's telling the truth or not. Let's say Kavanaugh is telling the truth, are you saying someone with his legal experience is foolish and should be following your advice?
I guarantee you Kavanaugh was preparing his ass off relative to his time in the Bush White House, which is the conversation we should be having.

Can you explain why the professional opinion of experts in the field with actual experience in the issue is not relevant here? Wouldn't that be among the most relevant things?
Because its a bug not a feature. In the information age, justice is more a function of emotion than fact.
 
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fskimospy

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I already told you I have gone in to something like this, on more than one occasion, and my only protection was the truth. Sure, it wasn’t for a SCOTUS seat, but it did impact the trajectory of people’s careers, so it was a situation of incredible stress and pressure.

You faced nothing like this, I guarantee it.

Which is why we don’t embrace allegations on face value.

My personal experience was that the truth is what protected me.

I guarantee you Kavanaugh was preparing his ass off relative to his time in the Bush White House, which is the conversation we should be having.

Because its a bug not a feature. In the information age, justice is more a function of emotion than fact.

It's a feature, not a bug. The adversarial procedure is the bedrock foundation of our system of law.

I'm telling you, if you ever get into anything even remotely similar for your own good, prepare ahead of time. Don't make a mistake you'll regret forever.
 

feralkid

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I checked it out. July 01, 1982 was indeed a Thursday. If it's fake, it's a quality fake.


Also, the real mystery: what is the combination to? What did Mr. Kavanaugh have locked away?
O.J.'s other glove and a map leading to the real killers.
 
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It’s where he said on tape that he routinely sexually assaulted women. Nothing about a confession needs to be in court.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump_Access_Hollywood_tape

Let me know if you need any more reminders. If not, can you confirm that you find a taped confession of serial sex crimes to be more credible and serious than what you claim to be worried about with this guy?
Only if you consider an illegal and doctored taping to be a confession. I don't.
 

Commodus

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Only if you consider an illegal and doctored taping to be a confession. I don't.

Illegal (if it even was illegal) doesn't mean he didn't say it. Moreover, given that Trump publicly admitted to saying it and then lied that it was "just locker room talk," I don't think claims of doctoring hold water.
 
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PLEASE! Taj doesn't care about women, he just wants his pound of liberal flesh and tears.
I'm married with female children and grandchildren, of course i care about women. No reason to smear because my political orientation is different for the Socialist Democrats. I find the accusation made by Ford not to be enough to convict Judge Kavanaugh of wrongdoing and the accusation by Ramirez not to be credible. I'm waiting on the Thursday hearing to see if it will change my mind, but without new evidence i would doubt it.
 

fskimospy

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Only if you consider an illegal and doctored taping to be a confession. I don't.

Whether it was illegal or not (dubious) is irrelevant. He's on tape saying it.

If you think it's doctored, provide evidence.

I love your descent into conspiracy theory nuttiness because you know you've been caught being a hypocrite yet again.
 

Bitek

Lifer
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I heard this morning that each side will get 5 minutes for Kavanaugh and 5 minutes for Ford. That's it. Did I hear that right?

God I hope not. Hillary had to sit for 11 hours of questions on the bengahzi hearing.

She did it, and they found nothing.

The Republican actions are those consistent with a guilty conscience.

If they are so sure Kav is innocent and the woman is lying for fame and fortune, then a proper investigation and questioning period would bear that out.
 
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Whether it was illegal or not (dubious) is irrelevant. He's on tape saying it.

If you think it's doctored, provide evidence.

I love your descent into conspiracy theory nuttiness because you know you've been caught being a hypocrite yet again.
Sorry, but according to the "Kavanaugh Rule" you have to prove it isn't doctored. This isn't a criminal trial after all.
 
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fskimospy

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Sorry, but according to the "Kavanaugh Rule" you have to prove it isn't doctored. This isn't a criminal trial after all.

No, I don't. If we're going by the 'Kavanaugh Rule' then you have to provide someone who can credibly claim the tape was doctored. Provide this.

Look, we both know you're trapped and you're only going to make yourself look worse. Why not stop digging now?
 

senseamp

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A sexual assault prosecutor would be more sympathetic to the accuser than the accused, but I would expect also has the skills to determine when the accuser’s account doesn’t hold up.

This isn’t a criminal proceeding. It is a job interview, and this is the venue chosen by the hiring manager to address claims against the candidate.

Nothing is stopping Dr. Ford from filing charges in Maryland, the state has literally invited her to.
Ford is not the one applying for the job, Kavanaugh is. Democrats should also bring a sex assault prosecutor to question him.
 
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No, I don't. If we're going by the 'Kavanaugh Rule' then you have to provide someone who can credibly claim the tape was doctored. Provide this.

Look, we both know you're trapped and you're only going to make yourself look worse. Why not stop digging now?
No, the "Kavanaugh Rule" means you have to prove a negative.
I made the allegation that the tape may be doctored, you have to prove it wasn't.
 
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