Kavanaugh SCOTUS Senate Judicial Hearing

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pcgeek11

Lifer
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You opened that door, idiot, by making absolute statements like "breaking the law is wrong". Whether you like it or not the people that were hiding Jews were, in fact, breaking the law. So according to your own words, they were in the wrong.

See how stupid your argument is? Now hold this L.

Talking to you is like talking to a 3rd grader. Your comparison is in the extreme and not worthy of a comment.
 
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ecogen

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Talking to you is like talking to a 3rd grader. Your comparison is in the extreme and not worthy of a comment.

You made the absolute statement that "Breaking the law" is wrong. You didn't qualify it once, after having many opportunities to do so. And you're calling me, the person who qualified his argument by saying that "sometimes breaking the law is the right thing to do" extreme.

You said something completely stupid and you got called out on it. Be man, own up to it, and move on with your life. Your attempts to somehow make this into something else are completely transparent and, frankly, pathetic.
 

Jhhnn

IN MEMORIAM
Nov 11, 1999
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Again, why should the Republicans go out of their way to provide Democrats with anything they don't have to provide by law? Why do anything at all to help and not hinder their political opponents?

Screw the Democrats because the Democrats are doing everything in their power to screw the Republicans.

Because the selection of SCOTUS justices should transcend partisan politics. It always did in the past when 60 votes were required. The majority had to get some opposition buy-in, a perfectly reasonable thing considering it's a lifetime appointment.

Not now, of course. This is a radical departure from the past & an attempt to confirm ideological extremists.
 

pcgeek11

Lifer
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Actually, the comparison is quite valid, given your prior comment. You framed this as, you are either OK with breaking the law (him) or you aren't (you). That is a false dichotomy. You just implicitly admitted that it IS OK in your view, given the proper circumstances. I'm going to take a wild guess and assume that Ecogen feels exactly the same way. I purposefully chose an extreme example to illustrate that your framing of the issue was itself, extreme.

The idea behind civil disobedience is not to undermine the rule of law. That is why you are supposed to openly admit your crime (or do so in public) and accept the penalty. Other than in a Nazi situation where doing so would get people killed, of course. With that qualifier, I have no issue with civil disobedience. Just don't physically harm anyone, and accept your legal penalty and it's fine by me because that is how you use law breaking as a form of protest without undermining the rule of law.

I disagree that it is valid as the context of this discussion was about the protesters at the hearing.
Instead some of you want to throw in an extreme example in an attempt to get me to justify.

Not going to happen.
 
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pcgeek11

Lifer
Jun 12, 2005
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You made the absolute statement that "Breaking the law" is wrong. You didn't qualify it once, after having many opportunities to do so. And you're calling me, the person who qualified his argument by saying that "sometimes breaking the law is the right thing to do" extreme.

You said something completely stupid and you got called out on it. Be man, own up to it, and move on with your life. Your attempts to somehow make this into something else are completely transparent and, frankly, pathetic.

As I stated to the other poster it is about the context of this thread that we were discussing. You are the one trying to make it into something more.
 
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ivwshane

Lifer
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Not unrelated at all. You are just too dense.

Lol! So now that you've admitted that they are related, why don't you explain to us what rights of others are violated by the protestors, like I asked in the first, fucking, place.
 

woolfe9998

Lifer
Apr 8, 2013
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I disagree that it is valid as the context of this discussion was about the protesters at the hearing.
Instead some of you want to throw in an extreme example in an attempt to get me to justify.

Not going to happen.

You didn't frame your statement in terms of this one incident. You were speaking more broadly, and you know it. You're just trying to run away from your straw mannery.
 
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pcgeek11

Lifer
Jun 12, 2005
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Lol! So now that you've admitted that they are related, why don't you explain to us what rights of others are violated by the protestors, like I asked in the first, fucking, place.

I didn't say that.
They are two different statements. They are related as they both are in reference to peoples rights. Idiot.
 

ecogen

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As I stated to the other poster it is about the context of this thread that we were discussing. You are the one trying to make it into something more.

Yeaaaaah, no.

It depends on the cause. Sometimes breaking the law is the only way to enact positive change. For examples you can look at the entire history of the human race.

There is / was nothing to concede. So you are wrong. I'm not arguing at all. You think it is OK to break the law and I disagree.

The Ls keep coming.
 

pcgeek11

Lifer
Jun 12, 2005
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You didn't frame your statement in terms of this one incident. You were speaking more broadly, and you know it. You're just trying to run away from your straw mannery.

You don't understand the context of a thread conversation. OK
 

ivwshane

Lifer
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Damn that Harry Reid!

Actually, no, dumb ass. That was the Republicans. Reid ended the filibuster but only for lower court appointments because of Republican obstruction. The Republicans removed the filibuster entirely when they gained power.

Lol, the one time you could have gone, "both sides".
 
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ivwshane

Lifer
May 15, 2000
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Again, why should the Republicans go out of their way to provide Democrats with anything they don't have to provide by law? Why do anything at all to help and not hinder their political opponents?

Screw the Democrats because the Democrats are doing everything in their power to screw the Republicans.

Maybe because they prefer to put country before party? Obviously they don't believe that and obviously that's exactly how you like it.
 

cytg111

Lifer
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Talking to you is like talking to a 3rd grader. Your comparison is in the extreme and not worthy of a comment.
So talking to a 3rd grader largely goes over your head too? I mean seriously why do you keep self owning like this, its almost like you dont like yourself... it would make sense though, you need to love yourself before you can love others.. I suggest you take some time off and work on you.
 

ivwshane

Lifer
May 15, 2000
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I didn't say that.
They are two different statements. They are related as they both are in reference to peoples rights. Idiot.

Again, you stupid fuck, I'm asking what those rights are you keep referring to. Is this too hard for you?

If you think discussing things with other people on this forum is like talking to 3rd graders, its because they are trying to get down to your level to get through your thick ass skull.
 
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IronWing

No Lifer
Jul 20, 2001
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Here's Booker's link to the 4 emails he was talking about. Looks like he didn't read them because they show Kavanaugh is exactly the opposite of a racist.
https://www.scribd.com/document/387988906/Booker-Confidential-Kavanaugh-Hearing
Booker was very clear as to why he chose to release the documents. The reason is that none of these documents contained national security info or personal info. Booker was demonstrating that the Republicans are lying about the reasons they want these documents suppressed. The intent of the release wasn’t to reveal a smoking gun with respect to Kavanaugh’s radical views on presidential powers, it was to show the American people that they are being lied to by both the Trump administration and Senate Republicans.
 

Starbuck1975

Lifer
Jan 6, 2005
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Actually, no, dumb ass. That was the Republicans. Reid ended the filibuster but only for lower court appointments because of Republican obstruction. The Republicans removed the filibuster entirely when they gained power.

Lol, the one time you could have gone, "both sides".
Harry Reid cracked the levee and Biden is on record asserting that an election year President should not appoint to SCOTUS. Politics is a Pandora’s box.
 

Starbuck1975

Lifer
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That's mealy mouthed as well. Asked for his own opinion on the matter, he expressed a non-opinion. Either he supports Roe or he doesn't & he wouldn't say. It's often referred to as weasel words.
He answered the question, its just not the answer you want to hear
 

woolfe9998

Lifer
Apr 8, 2013
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You don't understand the context of a thread conversation. OK

No, I read it all and understand it thoroughly. I know you were discussing the protestors at this particular hearing when the conservation started. But you then proceeded to make what appears to be a straw man generalization about the person you were debating. The straw man wasn't qualified by context. You didn't say, "you agree with what these protestors are doing and I do not." You said, "you think it's OK to break the law and I don't." Not very different than a situation where someone says "I think it's OK to smack your wife in self-defense when she's coming at you with a baseball bat" and the reply is "you think it's OK to beat your wife and I do not."
 

Jhhnn

IN MEMORIAM
Nov 11, 1999
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He answered the question, its just not the answer you want to hear

His answer was non-responsive. If he supported Roe he would have said so. Obviously he does not. Given that & the rest of what he's said he's clearly no advocate for women's rights at all.
 

K1052

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So, theoretically, if Kavanaugh is found to have lied in his confirmation hearing would that be grounds for impeachment and removal? I'd think so.

I'm only asking since he just admitted to a close friendship with a lawyer at Kasowitz firm, which has had many cases before his circuit, that he previously didn't seem to remember even existed.
 
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