Kavanaugh SCOTUS Senate Judicial Hearing

[mizzou]

Democrats lose this by their absolute Hail Mary throw to keep the Supreme Court from sliding conservative before their near guaranteed win in the midterms. This is an ugly way to destroy someone and the precedent set is essentially, someone says something bad about you no matter how long ago and we ruin you. No assumption of innocence, no trial. You are judged and ruined outside of court.

Republicans lose by nominating a rich private school boy who on face value appears to be the very representative of that preppy boy culture we nearly all despise. It’s not a huge stretch for us to believe the claims....even if we don’t or can’t practically “know” them. Also, they were put in a checkmate situation where if they don’t confirm, the voter base will never forgive them for failing to get as this is maybe the last chance to do something about roe v wade.


This is totally a political chess game and we all lose. I suppose it’s just a result of the way republican blocked Obama’s Supreme Court pick (that did happen right?)

 

[Starbuck1975]

Right, but the horse is already out of that stable. Now we're talking about how you proceed.

To which you have said there should be an FBI investigation. So what are you quibbling about? Are you trying to get Brad in this thread?

I am not quibbling, I asked a question to which he satisfactorily answered. Who is Brad?

 

[Thump553]

My gut feeling is that there is at least 6-12 GOP members very soft right now on voting for such a obvious partisan as a judge. The GOP may slow walk this for a while, have the committee vote early next week and the entire Senate late in the week. What they don't want to happen is for their members to be overwhelmed with public outrage over the weekend, which is what will happen if they vote it out of committee tomorrow.

I strongly urge everyone to email or call their senators' and voice your opinion now, it can't hurt, takes little time or expense and very well may help.

The whole reason the GOP wants this wrapped up before the mid-terms is because they DON"T want the American people to have a voice in this decision.

 

[Maxima1]

Democrats lose this by their absolute Hail Mary throw to keep the Supreme Court from sliding conservative before their near guaranteed win in the midterms. This is an ugly way to destroy someone and the precedent set is essentially, someone says something bad about you no matter how long ago and we ruin you. No assumption of innocence, no trial. You are judged and ruined outside of court.

Republicans lose by nominating a rich private school boy who on face value appears to be the very representative of that preppy boy culture we nearly all despise. It’s not a huge stretch for us to believe the claims....even if we don’t or can’t practically “know” them. Also, they were put in a checkmate situation where if they don’t confirm, the voter base will never forgive them for failing to get as this is maybe the last chance to do something about roe v wade.


This is totally a political chess game and we all lose. I suppose it’s just a result of the way republican blocked Obama’s Supreme Court pick (that did happen right?)

Please. Kavanaugh was destroying himself. The Democrats were doing their duty to try to make this resemble an investigation but both Kavanaugh & the GOP didn't want to get to the bottom of it.

 

[Zstream]

Do I want allegations of sexual misconduct investigated when a Dem is President? Yes I do. I don't GARA who is in office at all or if it's a SCOTUS appointee, a Senator, or the county dog catcher.

Investigated by whom, and for what? What witnesses? You have any shred of evidence and we will stop arguing. Until that point STFU, and prepare for your ass party to face the same shit in a few years. Don’t play with fire if you can’t handle the hot coals. Good luck when dems are in power.

 

[senseamp]

I suspect they scheduled a vote early next week so they can flush Kavanaugh down the toilet and get started with a new candidate from the Corporatist Society and still have time to ram him through in the lame duck. Kavanaugh is too toxic for Republicans to have on the court, plus there is a risk that new stuff comes out and he will be impeached at some point.

 

[Zstream]

Please. Kavanaugh was destroying himself. The Democrats were doing their duty to try to make this resemble an investigation but both Kavanaugh & the GOP didn't want to get to the bottom of it.

WOW! Not shocking on this board, but for the love of god, use some IQ.

 

[Jhhnn]

Please. Kavanaugh was destroying himself. The Democrats were doing their duty to try to make this resemble an investigation but both Kavanaugh & the GOP didn't want to get to the bottom of it.

There is no bottom of it. The whole thing was a test of character for Kavanaugh at which he failed miserably.

 

[soundforbjt]

Tucker Carlson: So who did this to Ford?

 

[fskimospy]

Investigated by whom, and for what? What witnesses? You have any shred of evidence and we will stop arguing. Until that point STFU, and prepare for your ass party to face the same shit in a few years. Don’t play with fire if you can’t handle the hot coals. Good luck when dems are in power.

It is kind of funny to watch you clowns refuse to allow any investigation to happen while simultaneously whining about a lack of evidence.

You know as well as I do that Ford is probably telling the truth. Kavanaugh on the other hand lied repeatedly under oath today and exposed himself as a crazed, conspiracy theory loving partisan. He probably should be removed from his current job, not promoted.

 

[soundforbjt]

WOW! Not shocking on this board, but for the love of god, use some IQ.

Can't get any from you, you don't have any to spare.

 

[Jhhnn]

WOW! Not shocking on this board, but for the love of god, use some IQ.

For the love of God, offer something besides personal attack.

 

[mizzou]

Please. Kavanaugh was destroying himself. The Democrats were doing their duty to try to make this resemble an investigation but both Kavanaugh & the GOP didn't want to get to the bottom of it.

Realistically, how much further to the bottom is there to go in the investigation? Both seem quite believable. The evidence to support either is non-existent. What happens if both are telling the truth?

Republicans have definitely lost the short game here. My argument is long game I think Democrats are playing with fire, even if the game of court control is won.

 

[Maxima1]

There is no bottom of it. The whole thing was a test of character for Kavanaugh at which he failed miserably.

I think I've already made clear that he came across as wild and unfit.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

I SINCERELY don't want to prop up Hillary, but uh... I kind of... slightly...have to... *gulp* agree with this

 

[soundforbjt]

Realistically, how much further to the bottom is there to go in the investigation? Both seem quite believable. The evidence to support either is non-existent. What happens if both are telling the truth?

Republicans have definitely lost the short game here. My argument is long game I think Democrats are playing with fire, even if the game of court control is won.

Simple, FBI gets involved, you saw how Bretty doesn't want that to happen. And they both can't be right unless you subscribe to Tucker Carlson's spin.

 

[fskimospy]

Realistically, how much further to the bottom is there to go in the investigation? Both seem quite believable. The evidence to support either is non-existent. What happens if both are telling the truth?

Their stories are mutually incompatible so they can’t both be telling the truth. As for evidence, that’s why you have an investigation. That’s why you call the other person Ford says was there in to testify. Republicans refuse to do this.

Republicans have definitely lost the short game here. My argument is long game I think Democrats are playing with fire, even if the game of court control is won.

I’m struggling to see why bringing up accusations of felonies that you agree are believable is playing with fire. If they are credible, they should be brought up.

 

[Maxima1]

Realistically, how much further to the bottom is there to go in the investigation? Both seem quite believable. The evidence to support either is non-existent. What happens if both are telling the truth?

Republicans have definitely lost the short game here. My argument is long game I think Democrats are playing with fire, even if the game of court control is won.

There was a lot of circumstantial evidence indicating that it was something Kavanaugh did or possibly would do. Kavanaugh, on the other hand, was overstating his "4 witnesses", relying on shit (e.g. the laughable calendar) that had no probative value, and clearly didn't want an actual investigation that would bring in more statements from witnesses like Mark Judge.

 

[Jhhnn]

The truth of the allegations & further investigation & blah, blah, blah don't matter at this point. Kavanaugh revealed himself to be unfit to sit on the SCOTUS. He's a partisan hack with a lust for the power the position would bring.

 

[snoopy7548]

Whoa, five minutes without a new post.

 

[nickqt]

Investigated by whom, and for what? What witnesses? You have any shred of evidence and we will stop arguing. Until that point STFU, and prepare for your ass party to face the same shit in a few years. Don’t play with fire if you can’t handle the hot coals. Good luck when dems are in power.

Get a fucking grip. The Republican party doesn't govern, it passes tax cuts for the richest people in the solar system, deregulates to allow the richest people in the solar system to get richer, and then bitches and moans when they don't get everything they want. And that's when they're in power. Out of power, they do nothing but stand in the way.

The Democrats are playing with fire? Which Democrats are playing with fire here, because this is a Supreme Court nomination process.

Or are you just pissed that some bitch is standing in the way of a conservative Supreme Court?

Keep on keepin' on, snowflake.

 

[PlanetJosh]

SCOTUS justices have their own personal interests. There's one who likes pornography (Thomas, and that came out back in the hearings for him.) And now we'll have one who likes to cry. Nothing really that wrong with either one. I do both, I watch porn and I cry watching sad movies. I even cry at the end of Undercover Boss tv shows when the boss rescues a few employees from financial disaster by buying them a car, a house or tuiton. Which has the lucky employee in tears of joy which makes me cry.

Anyway on a more practical note imo if Kavanaugh is rejected then Trump will probably nominate a more conservative person knowing it's unlikely that today's debacle will be repeated.

Ah dang forgot to add that people who say lie detector tests are not admissible in court in the same sentence when they say they're also unreliable usually look like they're trying to hide something. I know both are true but come on we see this so much. The ones who pass the tests say they are wonderful tools and the ones who refuse to take them for the two reasons stated above seem suspect to a large portion of the population.

 

[woolfe9998]

Tucker Carlson: So who did this to Ford?

The trouble with the whole mistaken identity theory is that Ford didn't just identify Kavanaugh. She also identified Kavanaugh's admitted good friend Mark Judge as being in the room. Judge has publicly said that he can't recall any such party or occurrence. So if she's mistaking Kavanaugh's identity, then presumably she is also mistaking someone else for Mark Judge, and it just so happens by coincidence that Judge was Kavanaugh's friend.

That's the reason I tend to believe her allegations. Not because of her credible demeanor. Both her and Kavanaugh seem credible in their accusations and denials, and either could just be putting on a good acting job. But we know this happened to her because she said it to two therapists in 2012. And, as I said, the theory of mistaken identity makes no sense here.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

My gut feeling is that there is at least 6-12 GOP members very soft right now on voting for such a obvious partisan as a judge. The GOP may slow walk this for a while, have the committee vote early next week and the entire Senate late in the week. What they don't want to happen is for their members to be overwhelmed with public outrage over the weekend, which is what will happen if they vote it out of committee tomorrow.

I disagree. I expect the vote very soon, maybe tomorrow. The GOP needs to either confirm him or move on ASAP to ensure they get their 5-4 Republican stacked court before the new year. If they have to move on to another nominee they need to do it right away.

 

[VRAMdemon]

Who knew they'd love Judge Whiny McTantrum?..Kavanaugh's performance today was disturbing to those who value honesty and mental stability.

I figured Kavanaugh was toast -Trump wouldn't like the crying, so therefore the Breitbart/Alex Jones followers wouldn't like it, either. I assumed that the judges on the supreme court were above believing in conspiracies, so his testimony crushed that assumption.

But I guess Trump needs Kav too much to reject him, no matter what. No one else on that Federalist Society list, apparently, has, like Kavanaugh, pledged to keep Trump safe from subpoenas and other pesky intimations that Presidents aren't above the law.