Kavanaugh SCOTUS Senate Judicial Hearing

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UNCjigga

Lifer
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I don't believe the time frame makes a difference. If the investigation comes back unsubstantiated, which most believe it will, then the dems will still find a reason to block him.
I don't think so. The Dem senators just won't vote for him. As for the D public, we'll just move on more determined to flip as many seats as we can in the midterms. For the vast majority of us, Kavanaugh will just go the way of Thomas...quietly on to the bench.
 

jackstar7

Lifer
Jun 26, 2009
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The Democrats had already suggested a week during the hearing. Again, just doubling is two weeks. That's still before the midterms. If you think it's going to be so short and not cutting it close, then why does the amount of time even need to be specified? The FBI would get done when it's done.
If Rs have shown one thing, it's that they do not want to leave things in the hands of professionals for any longer than it takes to create the appearance of competence (but not too much, lest people think you some smartypants).
 

dainthomas

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Can you explain why the second pick is magically bad? Based on that, why wasn’t Alito buried under sex scandals? He was the second pick, after all.

It’s weird how you guys invent conspiracy theories where you’re endlessly persecuted. Why do you think that is?

Obviously rich white christian males are definitely the persecuted group in the country. Literally no other explanation makes sense.
 
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dainthomas

Lifer
Dec 7, 2004
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Yes, youre right. We should only have judges who have only one partner at a time, and do it missionary style only. Even cowgirl is grey area.

Don't get me wrong, I don't kink shame anyone. Whatever you're into (with consenting adults) I give no shits about. But if it happened, why wouldn't Kavanaugh admit it? His faux christian supporters don't care about any of Dump's shenanigans, so they definitely wouldn't care about his. And wouldn't lying about it be an automatic disqualifier?
 

Jhhnn

IN MEMORIAM
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Gotta love the way the GOP is handling this. First they try to pass Kavanaugh off as somebody capable of judicial independence & integrity while withholding crucial information & ignoring evidence to the contrary, including likely false statements in sworn testimony. When this brouhaha surfaces, he reveals himself to be a partisan hack & their answer is "So what? He's our boy, heart & soul!"
 

Balt

Lifer
Mar 12, 2000
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No, he showed your side he is unfit, as any Republican pick would be, in your eyes. Here is what I believe:
If Kavanaugh would have been the first pick for the SCOTUS, he'd have sailed through with the same ease as Gorsuch. One? Yeah, the Dems and the left could live with that. Two? Oh hell no! If Gorsuch had been pick two, he'd have had scandals flying out of the woodwork too. Pick three, if it happens? Burn it down! What are you guys gonna do, if Trump is reelected and RBG retires or dies? I suspect it won't be pretty! lol

Please. The man delivered some of the worst testimony I've ever seen in a Senate hearing. He was evasive, unhinged, and shouted loony conspiracy theories like an Alex Jones wannabe. He obviously feels like somehow he's entitled to sit on the most important court in the country. Imagine anyone being so full of themselves that they feel they are owed a Supreme Court seat. What he revealed about himself yesterday showed that he IS the type of person who might commit sexual assault.
 

blackangst1

Lifer
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Don't get me wrong, I don't kink shame anyone. Whatever you're into (with consenting adults) I give no shits about. But if it happened, why wouldn't Kavanaugh admit it? His faux christian supporters don't care about any of Dump's shenanigans, so they definitely wouldn't care about his. And wouldn't lying about it be an automatic disqualifier?
That's the problem. Everyone already assumes guilt so unless he says what other believe, well, he MUST be lying.

Right?
 

compuwiz1

Admin Emeritus Elite Member
Oct 9, 1999
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This is a long thread, so I don't know if this has been brought up already. There are some things about Dr. Ford that make me a bit suspicious. She didn't just come up with her story when Kavanaugh was nominated. She had been following the trajectory of his career for a long time, way before the nomination. She told someone, something along the lines of; OMG, he could be selected for the Supreme Court someday and that it could not be allowed to happen. Since she had that opinion for many years, there would have been plenty of time for her to perfect her story and rehearse it for many years. Some people are capable of self hypnosis, to the point where they make themselves believe something. A .person who truly believes what they are saying would be difficult to find to be guilty of perjury. Maybe something did happen to her, I'm not discounting that. But...maybe she decided it was of some political importance to her to plug in a certain name, even if it was not the correct person. In her polygraph test, she was only asked two questions. Hmmm.

Some may ask, what would she have to gain? Even though she didn't ask for the gofundme, it's possible that she knew one would probably be created for her and the public who believed her would pour a lot of money into it. And...someone always has to take one for the team.


California? [check]
Liberal [check]
Political activist [check]

I see motives. Call me nuts, maybe I am, but I could find what I wrote plausible.
 
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jackstar7

Lifer
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Democrats are childish too - She said she was 100% certain! That's all the proof you need!

Next time someone is in court for a crime they can just say "I'm 100% not guilty!" and that's all the court needs amirite?

Plus it works both ways, if I'm suing someone I can just say "that guy is 100% guilty". CASE CLOSED YOUR HONOR!

Christ you kids are childish. I SINCERELY hope that you morons have to go through a public witch-hunt where you are branded as guilty until proven innocent.

I want to come back to this point, because it speaks to a tone-deafness on the conservative side that grates on me, as well as a general tact that comes up with people who cannot make a salient argument.

In regards to both: context matters.

Dr. Ford says she was 100% certain and has been certain of it for years that precede Kav being nominated. It's not a random person just pointing out someone in a random crowd and making a reckless allegation. On the contrary, she wound up having to deal with death threats because she felt compelled to come forward as things blew up without her control.

To demean her as just some accuser reveals what we already knew, that you didn't see the testimony she gave (as you stated), but also leads me to believe you didn't read her letter to understand the seriousness of her story and the sober reality of her life and the anguish that has lived below the surface of her being.

I realize it's been a day since this point was raised, but still it deserves another rebuttal because of how proudly dickish it is.

In this case, in these circumstances, and with this history, her being 100% certain is the reason Kav had to resort to impudent tantrums and snide retorts to direct questions. He is an adult brat and can't understand how anyone could call him out for his actions. But it has happened. And it sounds like it will continue to happen with Ramirez and possibly others.

So come up with something better next time.
 

jackstar7

Lifer
Jun 26, 2009
11,679
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This is a long thread, so I don't know if this has been brought up already. There are some things about Dr. Ford that make me a bit suspicious. She didn't just come up with her story when Kavanaugh was nominated. She had been following the trajectory of his career for a long time, way before the nomination. She told someone, something along the lines of; OMG, he could be selected for the Supreme Court someday and that it could not be allowed to happen. Since she had that opinion for many years, there would have been plenty of time for her to perfect her story and rehearse it for many years. Some people are capable of self hypnosis, to the point where they make themselves believe something. A .person who truly believes what they are saying would be difficult to find to be guilty of perjury. Maybe something did happen to her, I'm not discounting that. But...maybe she decided it was of some political importance to her to plug in a certain name, even if it was not the correct person. In her polygraph test, she was only asked two questions. Hmmm.

Some may ask, what would she have to gain? Even though she didn't ask for the gofundme, it's possible that she knew one would probably be created for her and the public who believed her would pour a lot of money into it. And...someone always has to take one for the team.


California? [check]
Liberal [check]
Political activist [check]

I see motives. Call me nuts, maybe I am, but I could find what I wrote plausible.
Reality is a tough thing. Hopefully you'll manage to wrap your arms around it one day and leave far-fetched conspiracies behind.
 

jackstar7

Lifer
Jun 26, 2009
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That's the problem. Everyone already assumes guilt so unless he says what other believe, well, he MUST be lying.

Right?
More like since a few people from his past are coming out and saying he's a liar, I'm inclined to believe he's a liar. Also, all of his previous lies from the preceding rounds of questioning.
 

cytg111

Lifer
Mar 17, 2008
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This is a long thread, so I don't know if this has been brought up already. There are some things about Dr. Ford that make me a bit suspicious. She didn't just come up with her story when Kavanaugh was nominated. She had been following the trajectory of his career for a long time, way before the nomination. She told someone, something along the lines of; OMG, he could be selected for the Supreme Court someday and that it could not be allowed to happen. Since she had that opinion for many years, there would have been plenty of time for her to perfect her story and rehearse it for many years. Some people are capable of self hypnosis, to the point where they make themselves believe something. A .person who truly believes what they are saying would be difficult to find to be guilty of perjury. Maybe something did happen to her, I'm not discounting that. But...maybe she decided it was of some political importance to her to plug in a certain name, even if it was not the correct person. In her polygraph test, she was only asked two questions. Hmmm.

Some may ask, what would she have to gain? Even though she didn't ask for the gofundme, it's possible that she knew one would probably be created for her and the public who believed her would pour a lot of money into it. And...someone always has to take one for the team.


California? [check]
Liberal [check]
Political activist [check]

I see motives. Call me nuts, maybe I am, but I could find what I wrote plausible.

"Hmmm" ? Really? Holy shit dude.
I had a GF once who had something happen to her way back, she had not reported it either but told some family and few friends and gotten therapy for it. She had also stuffed that shit down so deep she nearly convinced herself it didnt happen until some event that triggered an episode (and then came therapy).
Its obvious you dont know wtf you are "Hmmm"ing about. This shit happens. All. The. Time.
 

Viper GTS

Lifer
Oct 13, 1999
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This is a long thread, so I don't know if this has been brought up already. There are some things about Dr. Ford that make me a bit suspicious. She didn't just come up with her story when Kavanaugh was nominated. She had been following the trajectory of his career for a long time, way before the nomination. She told someone, something along the lines of; OMG, he could be selected for the Supreme Court someday and that it could not be allowed to happen. Since she had that opinion for many years, there would have been plenty of time for her to perfect her story and rehearse it for many years. Some people are capable of self hypnosis, to the point where they make themselves believe something. A .person who truly believes what they are saying would be difficult to find to be guilty of perjury. Maybe something did happen to her, I'm not discounting that. But...maybe she decided it was of some political importance to her to plug in a certain name, even if it was not the correct person. In her polygraph test, she was only asked two questions. Hmmm.

Some may ask, what would she have to gain? Even though she didn't ask for the gofundme, it's possible that she knew one would probably be created for her and the public who believed her would pour a lot of money into it. And...someone always has to take one for the team.


California? [check]
Liberal [check]
Political activist [check]

I see motives. Call me nuts, maybe I am, but I could find what I wrote plausible.

She has been rich (Or at least solidly upper class, but let's be real here - Multiple generations of country club? She's rich.) her whole life, it's simply delusional to think that somebody from her walk of life would go to this much effort to setup a long con of seeking funding from a site she had probably never even heard of back when this would have had to have been started to complete your timeline.

You have lost it man. Seek help.

Viper GTS
 
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repoman0

Diamond Member
Jun 17, 2010
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This is a long thread, so I don't know if this has been brought up already. There are some things about Dr. Ford that make me a bit suspicious. She didn't just come up with her story when Kavanaugh was nominated. She had been following the trajectory of his career for a long time, way before the nomination. She told someone, something along the lines of; OMG, he could be selected for the Supreme Court someday and that it could not be allowed to happen. Since she had that opinion for many years, there would have been plenty of time for her to perfect her story and rehearse it for many years. Some people are capable of self hypnosis, to the point where they make themselves believe something. A .person who truly believes what they are saying would be difficult to find to be guilty of perjury. Maybe something did happen to her, I'm not discounting that. But...maybe she decided it was of some political importance to her to plug in a certain name, even if it was not the correct person. In her polygraph test, she was only asked two questions. Hmmm.

Some may ask, what would she have to gain? Even though she didn't ask for the gofundme, it's possible that she knew one would probably be created for her and the public who believed her would pour a lot of money into it. And...someone always has to take one for the team.


California? [check]
Liberal [check]
Political activist [check]

I see motives. Call me nuts, maybe I am, but I could find what I wrote plausible.

You know you're in the weeds of insanity when OroROoROoORoooo likes your post.

Seriously man, you're projecting. We know that hick Repubs would do something stupid like this (see: those two ding bats who called in pretending to be the two attackers) but this woman is well respected with nothing to gain and everything to lose by coming forward. And just lol at the prospect of a comfortably upper class person with what many would consider a dream job doing this for a gofundme.
 
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Jhhnn

IN MEMORIAM
Nov 11, 1999
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She has been rich (Or at least solidly upper class, but let's be real here - Multiple generations of country club? She's rich.) her whole life, it's simply delusional to think that somebody from her walk of life would go to this much effort to setup a long con of seeking funding from a site she had probably never even heard of back when this would have had to have been started to complete your timeline.

You have lost it man. Seek help.

Viper GTS

I think you misunderstood the person you quoted or quoted the wrong person somehow.
 

0roo0roo

No Lifer
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I want to come back to this point, because it speaks to a tone-deafness on the conservative side that grates on me, as well as a general tact that comes up with people who cannot make a salient argument.

In regards to both: context matters.

Dr. Ford says she was 100% certain and has been certain of it for years that precede Kav being nominated. It's not a random person just pointing out someone in a random crowd and making a reckless allegation. On the contrary, she wound up having to deal with death threats because she felt compelled to come forward as things blew up without her control.

To demean her as just some accuser reveals what we already knew, that you didn't see the testimony she gave (as you stated), but also leads me to believe you didn't read her letter to understand the seriousness of her story and the sober reality of her life and the anguish that has lived below the surface of her being.

I realize it's been a day since this point was raised, but still it deserves another rebuttal because of how proudly dickish it is.

In this case, in these circumstances, and with this history, her being 100% certain is the reason Kav had to resort to impudent tantrums and snide retorts to direct questions. He is an adult brat and can't understand how anyone could call him out for his actions. But it has happened. And it sounds like it will continue to happen with Ramirez and possibly others.

So come up with something better next time.

Unfortunately for you I did. Context does matter, she is a doctor of psychology, so her act of playing the innocent naif who knows nothing about how polygraphs work, or the science behind memory and trauma simply doesn't wash. Either she's profoundly dishonest, or she's profoundly unqualified for her job. Just the education and "training" for her job should have "triggered" her into a predicament where it would have been unavoidable long ago, never mind with her leftist politics, in the circles she swims likely radical feminist at that.

And no, false memories aren't random, in this case she was politically primed and motivated to replace certain memories with a convenient target. And this is a person who lies about being too afraid to fly when she does it all the time, convenient dishonesty is clearly not beyond her. And professional ethics, simply nonexistent, there is no way she doesn't know about polygraph, its literally psych 101, she went on the day of a funeral, and couldn't even remember who paid for it. This isn't a reliable person to be charitable.

And of course this entire concern from the left, this entire circus is completely disingenuous. If the new standard is any false accusation can derail anything, you've validated sharia law because there can be no justice under such a system. And why would a woman do this? The left expose themselves as the ultimate sexists when they do this because you wouldn't ask why would someone blow themselves up over their beliefs, they clearly do it all the time, and the fact is, feminism at its core is simply nothing more than a religion, and this is far less than dying for your beliefs, in fact its pure positive attention from the only people that matter her, and monetary gain to boot.

What is the plight of the false accuser? Well this is how mattress girl was treated long after her story fell apart.
http://www.artnews.com/2016/06/28/n...mes-emma-sulkowicz-its-2016-woman-of-courage/
http://archive.is/uGTPN
And this case proves that even for the oldest and most well known feminist organization, no amount of proof against a false accusation is enough, because as I said, its a religion.


It says everything about the left that they will go this far to defend their fringe values from a nominee who will protect the fundamental constitutional values they are attempting to erode at every turn.
 
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Jhhnn

IN MEMORIAM
Nov 11, 1999
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Unfortunately for you I did. Context does matter, she is a doctor of psychology, so her act of playing the innocent naif who knows nothing about how polygraphs work, or the science behind memory and trauma simply doesn't wash. Either she's profoundly dishonest, or she's profoundly unqualified for her job. Just the education and "training" for her job should have "triggered" her into a predicament where it would have been unavoidable long ago, never mind with her leftist politics, in the circles she swims likely radical feminist at that.

And no, false memories aren't random, in this case she was politically primed and motivated to replace certain memories with a convenient target. And this is a person who lies about being too afraid to fly when she does it all the time, convenient dishonesty is clearly not beyond her. And professional ethics, simply nonexistent, there is no way she doesn't know about polygraph, its literally psych 101, she went on the day of a funeral, and couldn't even remember who paid for it. This isn't a reliable person to be charitable.

And of course this entire concern from the left, this entire circus is completely disingenuous. If the new standard is any false accusation can derail anything, you've validated sharia law because there can be no justice under such a system. And why would a woman do this? The left expose themselves as the ultimate sexists when they do this because you wouldn't ask why would someone blow themselves up over their beliefs, they clearly do it all the time, and the fact is, feminism at its core is simply nothing more than a religion, and this is far less than dying for your beliefs, in fact its pure positive attention from the only people that matter her, and monetary gain to boot.

What is the plight of the false accuser? Well this is how mattress girl was treated long after her story fell apart.
http://www.artnews.com/2016/06/28/n...mes-emma-sulkowicz-its-2016-woman-of-courage/
http://archive.is/uGTPN
And this case proves that even for the oldest and most well known feminist organization, no amount of proof against a false accusation is enough, because as I said, its a religion.


It says everything about the left that they will go this far to defend their fringe values from a nominee who will protect the fundamental constitutional values they are attempting to erode at every turn.

Well, there it is. Whenerver Oroo oroo takes any side of an argument it's bullshit.
 

blackangst1

Lifer
Feb 23, 2005
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More like since a few people from his past are coming out and saying he's a liar, I'm inclined to believe he's a liar. Also, all of his previous lies from the preceding rounds of questioning.
Compare those statements with the stack of statements from far more credible people saying the opposite.
 

Jhhnn

IN MEMORIAM
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Compare those statements with the stack of statements from far more credible people saying the opposite.

Who cares? Compare the man Kavanaugh presented himself to be before these accusations & the one he revealed yesterday. He revealed himself as a conspiracy theorist & a Party hack.
 

blackangst1

Lifer
Feb 23, 2005
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Who cares? Compare the man Kavanaugh presented himself to be before these accusations & the one he revealed yesterday. He revealed himself as a conspiracy theorist & a Party hack.
No one is more of a party hack than most in this thread.
 
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UberNeuman

Lifer
Nov 4, 1999
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Who cares? Compare the man Kavanaugh presented himself to be before these accusations & the one he revealed yesterday. He revealed himself as a conspiracy theorist & a Party hack.

and that's what they want. These babbling mouseketeers aren't reasonable or truthfull or decent.
 
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