Yeah, republicans sure stuck to that with Hillary Clinton and the endless accusations against her. Oh wait.Innocent until proven guilty is a concept, principle, etc... it's not dependant on what room you are in. We either uphold this concept, this belief, this principle or don't. in your case, everyone who is accused is essentially automatically ruined. He/she might as well end their own lives.
I was struggeling to figure out what Flake's move ment, reading left and right sources didnt really pin it for me, is it all for show or is it actually a change of heart?
Damn I think maybe he has been possessed by John McCain.. There is so many ways this can turn sour for MK now AND the GOP AND for midterms that this was not something he did lightly.
Hi John. Say hi to my mother, will you?
When the shoe fits, absolutely.
This is a long thread, so I don't know if this has been brought up already. There are some things about Dr. Ford that make me a bit suspicious. She didn't just come up with her story when Kavanaugh was nominated. She had been following the trajectory of his career for a long time, way before the nomination. She told someone, something along the lines of; OMG, he could be selected for the Supreme Court someday and that it could not be allowed to happen. Since she had that opinion for many years, there would have been plenty of time for her to perfect her story and rehearse it for many years. Some people are capable of self hypnosis, to the point where they make themselves believe something. A .person who truly believes what they are saying would be difficult to find to be guilty of perjury. Maybe something did happen to her, I'm not discounting that. But...maybe she decided it was of some political importance to her to plug in a certain name, even if it was not the correct person. In her polygraph test, she was only asked two questions. Hmmm.
Some may ask, what would she have to gain? Even though she didn't ask for the gofundme, it's possible that she knew one would probably be created for her and the public who believed her would pour a lot of money into it. And...someone always has to take one for the team.
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I see motives. Call me nuts, maybe I am, but I could find what I wrote plausible.
This is a long thread, so I don't know if this has been brought up already. There are some things about Dr. Ford that make me a bit suspicious. She didn't just come up with her story when Kavanaugh was nominated. She had been following the trajectory of his career for a long time, way before the nomination. She told someone, something along the lines of; OMG, he could be selected for the Supreme Court someday and that it could not be allowed to happen. Since she had that opinion for many years, there would have been plenty of time for her to perfect her story and rehearse it for many years. Some people are capable of self hypnosis, to the point where they make themselves believe something. A .person who truly believes what they are saying would be difficult to find to be guilty of perjury. Maybe something did happen to her, I'm not discounting that. But...maybe she decided it was of some political importance to her to plug in a certain name, even if it was not the correct person. In her polygraph test, she was only asked two questions. Hmmm.
Some may ask, what would she have to gain? Even though she didn't ask for the gofundme, it's possible that she knew one would probably be created for her and the public who believed her would pour a lot of money into it. And...someone always has to take one for the team.
California? [check]
Liberal [check]
Political activist [check]
I see motives. Call me nuts, maybe I am, but I could find what I wrote plausible.
Innocent until proven guilty is how we maintain ourselves as a nation of laws. As a civil society.
To let the public destroy people without due process should, itself, be a crime.
Your hysterical opposition to such ideals is duly noted.
Chill out, Tobias. Did you finish your movie night of "The Accused" and "Irreversible."
lol.
What move? Him delaying the vote a week for this (likely to be very limited and rushed) FBI investigation? Hasn't he already said he's voting yes for Kavanaugh? I don't think it is especially hard to figure out his motive. This is him trying to save face so that he can run again in the future (almost guarantee he'll run again, he's just trying to keep from getting caught up in Turmp's likelihood of burning everything he's associated with). Watch, he'll claim to be some crusader for women with regards to sexual assault in a few years and he'll point to this as his big crowning achievement (and he'll try to claim that he quit because he couldn't stand Turmp because of the sexual assault allegations). Even if he doesn't run for public office, he'll still be involved in politics some way or another, and he's probably wanting a "get out of jail" card for any potential creepy behavior of his that could get revealed.
Just like McCain with his sham "standing up to Turmp", he's still going to vote to support nearly everything that Turmp/the GOP is doing.
But hell, maybe its because he has to look his wife in the eye and explain to her how they could let a fucking creep like Kavanaugh get confirmed without even lip service to letting the FBI do an investigation.
Here is but a taste of what false accusations do to INNOCENT people.
Teacher Acquitted of Having Sex With Student Finds Work as a Waitress
Her life-long career is finished, her income slashed, her family harmed. Even with due process and acquittal, mob justice demands that her life is over. That she is automatically and permanently guilty. Guilty of what? Being accused. Full stop, nothing more. The mob doesn't care for the outcome of a trial. The mob does not care about due process or anyone's civil liberties. No, the mob is here to destroy people. To end their lives through bigotry and discrimination.
This mother's children had a teacher supporting them. Now they live on tips from a waitress.
Go ahead and tell me that we haven't failed as a civil society. Got plenty of ways to demonstrate that we have.
This is what gets me. It's so simple. Why is someone so innocent, so chaste, so Godly, lying about so many things with such frequency?If Kavanaugh is innocent why do you think he’s told so many easily disproven lies about the time period in question?
Here is but a taste of what false accusations do to INNOCENT people.
Teacher Acquitted of Having Sex With Student Finds Work as a Waitress
Her life-long career is finished, her income slashed, her family harmed. Even with due process and acquittal, mob justice demands that her life is over. That she is automatically and permanently guilty. Guilty of what? Being accused. Full stop, nothing more. The mob doesn't care for the outcome of a trial. The mob does not care about due process or anyone's civil liberties. No, the mob is here to destroy people. To end their lives through bigotry and discrimination.
This mother's children had a teacher supporting them. Now they live on tips from a waitress.
Go ahead and tell me that we haven't failed as a civil society. Got plenty of ways to demonstrate that we have.
Here is but a taste of what false accusations do to INNOCENT people.
Teacher Acquitted of Having Sex With Student Finds Work as a Waitress
Her life-long career is finished, her income slashed, her family harmed. Even with due process and acquittal, mob justice demands that her life is over. That she is automatically and permanently guilty. Guilty of what? Being accused. Full stop, nothing more. The mob doesn't care for the outcome of a trial. The mob does not care about due process or anyone's civil liberties. No, the mob is here to destroy people. To end their lives through bigotry and discrimination.
This mother's children had a teacher supporting them. Now they live on tips from a waitress.
Go ahead and tell me that we haven't failed as a civil society. Got plenty of ways to demonstrate that we have.
“Although Ms. Lamontagne was acquitted of the criminal charges, I think it is important to acknowledge that the evidence that was presented during the trial demonstrated a troubling failure by one of our teachers to comply with the standards we expect of all of our employees,” Hawes said in the statement. “For example, RSU 21 prohibits our employees from communicating with students by text and social media platforms, we require our teachers to refer students in crisis to professional counselors rather than attempting to intervene with these students on their own, and we would never condone the use of intimate language, of the type introduced during the trial, between our teachers and their students.”
If Kavanaugh is innocent why do you think he’s told so many easily disproven lies about the time period in question?
Kavanaugh definitely lied about multiple things during the hearing, including the Maryland drinking age at the time, his drinking, Renate Alumnus, Boofed, Devil's Triangle, Ralphing, and other things. The FBI will be able to dig in more to prove that those are obvious lies, and lay out what else he was lying about. So even if there is no absolute proof that he attacked Dr. Ford, his repeated lying alone should be enough to keep him off the court. His lying should show that he’s unfit. I can imagine a Senator not feeling comfortable calling him a rapist for certain, but comfortable pointing at his lying showing that he’s unfit to confirm.
Whenever I play Tom Petty's Free Falling, she asks me to change it because it reminds her that men can be horrible jerks, but yet I play it to remind me that most mistakes cannot be unmade.
Rape is never acceptable. But I get your point.Regardless of what one believes, it's been quite a revealing week to see how openly one side asserts that exploitation, even rape, is acceptable whenever one is of a higher social status of the exploited.
Funny because the Republicans are saying the same thing about Democrats.You are part of the problem. When you spout this #bothsides nonsense you enable the Republicans to act badly without consequence.
I would suggest reading ‘it’s even worse than it looks’. Neither party is totally innocent but it’s long, looooooong past time that we all agree that the primary problem is that the Republican Party has gone insane.
Funny because the Republicans are saying the same thing about Democrats.
Fool, I'm not the nominee for the SCOTUS.If some girl came forward and said that Muse the Anandtech forum user raped her when she was just 10 years old, should we automatically believe her? Or should we need evidence, before that to assume you to be innocent.
I've never said one side is worse. Things like this are never 50/50. I do agree with you the GOP seems to have lost is way. But that doesn't invalidate my post.Of course they are, they’re trying to justify their actions. Nobody comes out and says ‘we are destroying American governing institutions because we think they have no value’, they always blame it on someone else. I really suggest reading the book, it’s not written by raging partisans. There’s no way you can come away from it still thinking #bothsides if you read it with an open mind.
Alternatively just look at various measures of political ideology. You’ll see Democrats have moved moderately to the left and republicans have gone off the deep end to the right. These are unbiased, empirical measures that show Republicans are the problem.
Republicans are the problem and until they regain their sanity they are going to drag the rest of us down with them. We need help from conservatives to somehow bring the rest of the party back from crazy town because they won’t listen to liberals.
Honest question, what evidence would you accept to prove that the polarization we are seeing is primarily a phenomenon of the right?
You should calm down and get the facts. You are deluded at the present time. I won't bother to refute you, you're simply out in the weeds.But hey. Carry on with your fuck fuck.Because, you know, youre right and theyre wrong.