Kavanaugh SCOTUS Senate Judicial Hearing

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shortylickens

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How do you feel about

4) Massive, historic levels of corruption at all levels of the federal government and a congress that enables it.

This is the most nakedly corrupt administration the country has ever seen. Time to put a stop to it.

Theres literally tens of millions of americans who either dont see the corruption, or dont care so long as its performed by Republicans.
 

Maxima1

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Not surprised in the least. If anyone thought Republicans, including Flake, actually wanted a real investigation instead of the image of one, they were being naive. It's a cover for a vote to confirm, nothing more.

If that's "cover", then people are stupid or the media is not doing enough to report the massive corruption going on.
 

compuwiz1

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An FBI agent said that he thinks the Dems are going to be disappointed because he doesn't see this investigation turning up anything different than what is already known.
 

FIVR

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Great conspiracy ideas you have there, pal. You guys have always denied that the FBI was partisan, but now that the Kavanaugh investigation is only supposed to take a week, instead of forever, until after 2020, as you'd like, you make a nutter post like this. Hahaha!

I have never once suggested the FBI was non-partisan, in fact I blamed former FBI director James Comey for Trump's Election.


There is also ample evidence that the FBI has been extremely partisan ever since Obama was elected President. The agency itself completely lacks even the semblance of diversity because the agents themselves mostly comprise former police officers who went back to school to get a bachelors or masters in criminology of some sort. That means it is an overwhelmingly white, male, and conservative agency.

Only an idiot would suggest the FBI is not a highly partisan organization.

See here:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/nov/03/fbi-leaks-hillary-clinton-james-comey-donald-trump
 

soundforbjt

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An FBI agent said that he thinks the Dems are going to be disappointed because he doesn't see this investigation turning up anything different than what is already known.
No, The People will be disappointed when they see the destruction his seating will reap on the US in the coming years.
 
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Balt

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If that's "cover", then people are stupid or the media is not doing enough to report the massive corruption going on.

Right on both counts. People generally are dumb, or just don't have the time to care about the details. And the media in this country is straight up Jerry Springer-esque garbage that just has talking heads from both sides repeat talking points with no challenge whatsoever. NPR tries, but mostly fails and invites obvious shills like Jonah Goldberg to opine. The BBC is fantastic, but has almost no influence in the U.S. The "liberal" and "failing" NY Times bends over backwards to both-sides everything.
 

FIVR

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I wouldn't be surprised if there are so many problems with Kavanaugh's story that the FBI ends up digging something up even with their incredibly partisan leadership. Kavanaugh is an obvious scumbag who has abused many women in his past. Even if they don't look at Swetnick or the other women, I'm sure there is enough dirt out there to sink his nomination.


I give him a 50% chance of making it though this, and even then it will only be because the FBI will refuse to look at anything short of smoking gun evidence due to their partisan "good ole' boy" culture.
 

Maxima1

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Right on both counts. People generally are dumb, or just don't have the time to care about the details. And the media in this country is straight up Jerry Springer-esque garbage that just has talking heads from both sides repeat talking points with no challenge whatsoever.

What's baffling to me is why don't they do what they did to Hillary with the emails after the Comey letter? This is likely to just turn into the same normalizing bullshit when it's yet another big scandal if true. This also shits on the legitimacy of the FBI if they actually go along with it.
 

soundforbjt

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I wouldn't be surprised if there are so many problems with Kavanaugh's story that the FBI ends up digging something up even with their incredibly partisan leadership. Kavanaugh is an obvious scumbag who has abused many women in his past. Even if they don't look at Swetnick or the other women, I'm sure there is enough dirt out there to sink his nomination.


I give him a 50% chance of making it though this, and even then it will only be because the FBI will refuse to look at anything short of smoking gun evidence due to their partisan "good ole' boy" culture.
Don't you mean the very limited scope that Trump has mandated? Or did you miss that post?
 

cytg111

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FIVR

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Don't you mean the very limited scope that Trump has mandated? Or did you miss that post?

How is that not an example of the FBI allowing their partisan nature and "good ole boy" culture to allow kavanaugh to get by? They would be taking an instruction from Trump who has ZERO say in this investigation and limiting their own powers on his behalf.


Do you think the FBI would've limited the scope of their investigation for Obama? Lol, they would've laughed in his face.
 

soundforbjt

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How is that not an example of the FBI allowing their partisan nature and "good ole boy" culture to allow kavanaugh to get by? They would be taking an instruction from Trump who has ZERO say in this investigation and limiting their own powers on his behalf.


Do you think the FBI would've limited the scope of their investigation for Obama? Lol, they would've laughed in his face.
No, he had all the say in this. He had to order it or it wouldn't have happened at all.
He's the head of the Executive branch not Congress.
 
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FIVR

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No, he had all the say in this. He had to order it or it wouldn't have happened at all.
He's the head of the Executive branch not Congress.

The FBI doesn't need to be ordered to investigate things. Or at least, it didn't until Trump purged its leadership.


Under Obama this investigation would've started as soon as the accusations surfaced. The fact that the FBI didn't start their investigation immediately is more evidence of what I was talking about.
 

compuwiz1

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The FBI investigation, even if it continued for a couple years, then turned up nothing, would still not satisfy many here. Still would be crying foul. The bottom line is those precious abortions must be protected and no conservative should be put on that bench. It doesn't matter whether Kavanaugh did it or not. Another nominee with the same stance on abortion would be similarly blocked, to the best of the Dems ability, by any means necessary. This is what it's all about, full stop.
 

soundforbjt

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The FBI doesn't need to be ordered to investigate things. Or at least, it didn't until Trump purged its leadership.


Under Obama this investigation would've started as soon as the accusations surfaced. The fact that the FBI didn't start their investigation immediately is more evidence of what I was talking about.
These "things", yes he does.
 

compuwiz1

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The FBI doesn't need to be ordered to investigate things. Or at least, it didn't until Trump purged its leadership.


Under Obama this investigation would've started as soon as the accusations surfaced. The fact that the FBI didn't start their investigation immediately is more evidence of what I was talking about.

The investigation could have been started much sooner if Feinstein wouldn't have sat on the information for so long, even during the confirmation hearings. She could have brought the allegation up, questioned Kavanaugh about it, and made sure an FBI investigation was requested. She could have done this while keeping the accuser anonymous. She failed, or she had an 11th hour plan, in case it looked like he was going to be confirmed. She's a scumbag and I hope she loses her next election.
 

Maxima1

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These "things", yes he does.

There was definitely a loophole around it that they weren't willing to take.

"The FBI clearly has jurisdiction, without any referral from the WH, to investigate the death threats, the hacking, and the harassment designed to prevent the alleged victim from appearing to testify before the US Senate. That would lead to investigating the alleged arrack itself" -- Laurence Tribe
 

IronWing

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The FBI investigation, even if it continued for a couple years, then turned up nothing, would still not satisfy many here. Still would be crying foul. The bottom line is those precious abortions must be protected and no conservative should be put on that bench. It doesn't matter whether Kavanaugh did it or not. Another nominee with the same stance on abortion would be similarly blocked, to the best of the Dems ability, by any means necessary. This is what it's all about, full stop.
So we see all that matters to you: fetuses. Forget that Kavanaugh is a conspiracy chasing rightwing loon. Forget that the White House and Senate are shielding whatever participation he had in Bush's war crimes. This is all about fetuses. Face it, your obsession with fetuses has caused you to despise your country.
 
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IronWing

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The investigation could have been started much sooner if Feinstein wouldn't have sat on the information for so long, even during the confirmation hearings. She could have brought the allegation up, questioned Kavanaugh about it, and made sure an FBI investigation was requested. She could have done this while keeping the accuser anonymous. She failed.
You and I have precisely as much power as Feinstein to beg the committee chair for an investigation. Your Republican Senator doesn't want any truth to surface. He, like you, would rather live with lies and get his way. Disgraceful.
 
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soundforbjt

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The FBI investigation, even if it continued for a couple years, then turned up nothing, would still not satisfy many here. Still would be crying foul. The bottom line is those precious abortions must be protected and no conservative should be put on that bench. It doesn't matter whether Kavanaugh did it or not. Another nominee with the same stance on abortion would be similarly blocked, to the best of the Dems ability, by any means necessary. This is what it's all about, full stop.
For me, it's the President gaining more power, Roe V Wade will be forever challenged by the Right.

Stopping the President from being subpoenaed, Not being able to indict a President, and granting him pardon powers over State in addition to Federal should worry anyone with a brain cell or two.
 
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compuwiz1

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You and I have precisely as much power as Feinstein to beg the committee chair for an investigation. Your Republican Senator doesn't want any truth to surface. He, like you, would rather live with lies and get his way. Disgraceful.

What is it about Feinstein knowing this information way before we did, that you don't understand. We are not members of congress. She sat on the information and failed to do what she should have done, which was to bring it into the light when she knew about it. Don't try and pin that failure on me. Democrats own it.
 

compuwiz1

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For me, it's the President gaining more power, Roe V Wade will be forever challenged by the Right.

Stopping the President from being subpoenaed, Not being able to indict a President, and granting him pardon powers over State in addition to Federal should worry anyone with a brain cell or two.

And how, exactly would Kavanaugh be able to do those things? Supreme Court Justices don't legislate. That's just paranoia on your part.
 

Guru

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Man, you really are a case. And cut out this bullshit trying to personally attack me, you're out of line with that shit.

Kav is not "innocent until proven guilty." Reason? That happens in one place and one place only: a court of law. He's not being accused of a crime. No prosecutor has said he's guilty of violating such and such law in front of a judge. He's being evaluated for SCOTUS. The problem is, at least in part, semantical here. "Guilty" is the word you used, and that's the wrong word to use.

Let's put it this way. Did Kav assault that woman? Did he try to rape her? Did he put his hand over her mouth when she started screaming. Was he trying to take off her clothes? Were he and Mike Judge laughing like hyenas while this was going on? Sane people acquainted with the information available by virtue of the testimony Thursday think the answers are yes (see the straw poll). When Kav was asked if he wanted an FBI investigation launched to determine the truth of these allegations, he dodged the question... again and again and again. This is not the behavior of someone falsely accused. You believe whatever you want. Vote for whomever you fucking please. I am not in doubt what's going on here.

Now, go fuck yourself.

Again, this is pure bullshit. Ford's own friend wrote a letter to the senate committee that she hadn't been or seen Kavanaugh at any party whether she's been with Ford, herself or others. Ford said that there were 6-7 people at the party, if she and her friend were there as she said, that would leave 4-5 people more there, if you take out Kavanaugh and his friend Judge, then that leaves only 2-3 people at the party. If they were at that party there, she would have seen Kavanaugh there. You can't be at a party with 6 or 7 people and not be able to see them. So her friend basically did NOT corroborate her story. Neither of the supposed witnesses have corroborated her story!

So that is just the facts. There is ZERO evidence, ZERO proof that Kavanaugh did anything.

What I'm saying to you in the previous post, and you are intentionally ignoring it, is that even with NO evidence at all, no nothing, mere hours after the allegation, ALL you democrats said he's guilty and he shouldn't be confirmed because of it! And I've been watching you here, and other places literally from minutes to hours after the story broke, labeling his guilty with ZERO PROOF!

No one even knew if the story was true, there was no official confirmation that the story was even real, yet you collectivist just knew he was guilty! This is my issue with you! You were brainwashed by MSNBC and CNN that this is an evil scotus candidate, so all your arguments were: "he wants to make babies live, OMG he is evil". I've not seen anyone actually go into details on his rulings and his views on the constitution and attack him on that.You had NOTHING, until this wild accusation and ALL of you boarded the RETARD train and jumped on the guilty wagon! NO EVIDENCE, NO PROOF, NO NOTHING, YET HE WAS GUILTY IN YOUR MIND!

Now you are trying to justify this by absurd means, by insane means, saying its the room that counts if someone is innocent until proven guilty, otherwise it doesn't matter.

Will he overturn Roe vs Wade? No! Will he and other right leaning judges put limitations to it if they get the chance? You bet! The previous ruling way overreaching far and beyond. It didn't take into account any counter argument at all and gave a blanket check to even murders of seconds before the baby is born. That is hardcore! And the court voted 100% on party lines on that!

But hey, lets say Kavanaugh isn't confirmed, do you really think that would change anything? It won't change anything because there is no democrats in the USA that actually use facts and statistics anymore. You never oppose people on their policies, you oppose them purely on partisan lines! If Kavanaugh was a Obama nominee, you all would have loved him, Roe Wade or no!

We see the same thing over and over with you! Trump, Jeff Sessions, Mike Pompeo, John Bolton, Gina Haspel, etc... ALL you know is : "racist, sexit, bigot AND NOW rapist". That is your whole playbook! You've never gone after them on facts. You've never pointed to many of these people's terrible records and bad decisions in the past.
 
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