Kavanaugh SCOTUS Senate Judicial Hearing

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Maxima1

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So, I take it you've been living under a rock for at least a couple of years now? Its the former. Hell, most people complain that the media is too focused on all the awful shit. They don't want to have to care about this shit, because then they might have to actually deal with it.

It was more rhetorical than me not knowing the answer. I think it's a combination of both personally. In regards to the media, where have they treated the Trump scandals like they did with the Hillary issue as a consequence of the Comey letter? Many people have argued that the media has been normalizing the bullshit. Look at CNN with all the Trump sycophants given platforms constantly.
 

Guru

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If Kavanaugh was in a completely different room trying to rape her, they could easily have not seen him or her at the party, even if its a small one. If she leaves and the friend saw her but never saw Kavanaugh (say because he was passed out drunk in the other room, with her not knowing he was ever there), its quite easy to see how the friend would have no recollection of seeing Kavanaugh at that party.

FYI, the friend not remembering doesn't mean nearly as much. Because for the friend, that was probably just a typical random party not notable from any other so it'll blur in with the rest of them. For Ford, it was a traumatic experience that left an indelible mark on her.

Coulda, woulda, shoulda! FACTS ARE SHE DID NOT corroborate her own friends story as a supposed witness AND that is THE only thing we can go on! THE END!

Maybe Kavanaugh raped little children and burned them in his back yard for sacrifice! Coulda, woulda, shoulda, there is no evidence, we can't just assume excuses for why the supposed witness didn't corroborate her story!
 

Guru

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This is you being blatantly deceptive at absolute best. Ford's friend ACTUALLY has gone on record not remembering whether she was at the party with Kavanaugh. (In case there is any confusion she certainly had been with Ford at other parties over the years.) Over 30 years later its not surprising if you can't remember the details of what was for her personally an uneventful party at the time. Now she did also clarify she did not specifically remember Kavanaugh at any party, but if she did not know Kavanaugh particularly over 30 years later this is not surprising again. (Disregarding Ford's friend might have been drinking on top of this at any particular party.)

That is very different than the implication she contradicted the story, and at best you can say she unsurprisingly was unable to remember anything about the party over 30 years later. She did not say something like she clearly remembers the party and Kavanaugh was not there. (Although she did clarify she believes the alleged assault did happen.)
YEAH! She did NOT corroborate her friends story! NO evidence, no proof. We can't deal in fairy land or unicorn land! So far there is ZERO evidence, ZERO witnesses to support Ford's wild accusation.
 

Guru

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If a polygraph is administered to Kavanaugh we would know. Ford passed her's
Polygraph is hardly a legitimate method, in fact it's quite easy to consistently trick it by trained professionals or for it to be consistently inconclusive, that is why polygraph results are INADMISSIBLE in court!

Especially doing a polygraph on something that happened 36 years ago, it would be worthless essentially, but when did she take a polygraph about this accusation? I've not read anything of the sort, what is your source?
 

Aegeon

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YEAH! She did NOT corroborate her friends story! NO evidence, no proof. We can't deal in fairy land or unicorn land! So far there is ZERO evidence, ZERO witnesses to support Ford's wild accusation.
As noted, it would have been surprising if she remember the details of the party did given the circumstance, while Judge would have plausible motivation to lie if he simply didn't remember the event because he was so drunk.

There indisputably is circumstantial evidence in favor of her claims, including her discussing the assault years ago, naming Kavanaugh in relation to the assault specially to the Washington Post prior to him being nominated by Donald Trump as Supreme Court Justice (although admittedly once he clearly was one of the possible candidates), plus her polygraph results.

I don't see what what you expect to prove with your false claims other than a lack of concern with accuracy or your lack of personal integrity.
 
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Aegeon

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Especially doing a polygraph on something that happened 36 years ago, it would be worthless essentially, but when did she take a polygraph about this accusation? I've not read anything of the sort, what is your source?
So in other words you have not even done extremely basic research on the Ford allegations before making all your extreme claims in this thread...

This has been extremely well reported both on this thread and elsewhere, with the polygraph being specifically mentioned during Ford's testimony to the Senate.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/inve...982194-b846-11e8-94eb-3bd52dfe917b_story.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...4051b6ad114_story.html?utm_term=.262a8552b6f4

You can see the details of the polygraph which was taken in early August here (it certainly has nothing to do with 36 years ago.)
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...anaugh-sexual-assault-allegations/1434270002/

I would note the claim that the polygraph is worthless because the event occurred a long time ago basically does not make sense, but the broader point is you are clearly very poorly informed about some of the basic facts of Ford's allegation.
 
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Paratus

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Coulda, woulda, shoulda! FACTS ARE SHE DID NOT corroborate her own friends story as a supposed witness AND that is THE only thing we can go on! THE END!

Maybe Kavanaugh raped little children and burned them in his back yard for sacrifice! Coulda, woulda, shoulda, there is no evidence, we can't just assume excuses for why the supposed witness didn't corroborate her story!

I have to agree with you. Senator Grassley should not rule Kavanaugh guilty of attempted rape based on failing to clear reasonable doubt. Nor should he be sentenced to jail for attempted rape.

Now since Senator Grassley is not a judge, this is not a court, and Kavanaugh is not on trial what’s your point?

Mediocre entitled white men who rage and cry when stressed, make threats, and lie in confirmation hearings about their teenage binge drinking do not deserve to be Supreme Court Justices.

Even if he is given the position he will not have earned it. It will be in effect a participation trophy albeit one with significant consequences for the rest of the country.
 

Lanyap

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I hope this latest FBI report is released to the public or leaked (since everything gets leaked in the Trump admin). Then we can actually see what they found in the investigation. I can’t help but wonder if any of the 3rd party witnesses change their story after being interviewed by the FBI during an official investigation versus just talking to the media.
 

echo4747

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you would think that the location of this house "party" should be able to be determined. Ford says she arrived at it right after swimming at some country club. It would seem likely that it was at the home of one of the people attending the party, especially if the parents/guardians were not home... From the people Ford states were at this party, who lived closest to the country club?
 

MooseNSquirrel

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YEAH! She did NOT corroborate her friends story! NO evidence, no proof. We can't deal in fairy land or unicorn land! So far there is ZERO evidence, ZERO witnesses to support Ford's wild accusation.
Wild accusation?

Thats a pretty stupid thing to claim.

She has zero game in this. Lying earns her nothing.

Party boy taking advantage of drunk women at parties Kavanaugh?

Who cant even admit to being a drunk party boy essentially purgering himself?

Please.

Nough said.
 

brycejones

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YEAH! She did NOT corroborate her friends story! NO evidence, no proof. We can't deal in fairy land or unicorn land! So far there is ZERO evidence, ZERO witnesses to support Ford's wild accusation.

Dude democracy is being destroyed in YOUR country. Why won't you fight for it?

Oh yeah, you're really looking forward to right wing authoritarian rule and hope the US falls into the same trap. Poland's government is a shit show and you've been sold a bill of goods.
 

shortylickens

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i think its both funny and terrifying how clearly this incident showed the massive partisanship every american citizen and politician really has in his heart.
 

ch33zw1z

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i think its both funny and terrifying how clearly this incident showed the massive partisanship every american citizen and politician really has in his heart.

Liberal tears are just so addictive though. People have the right to politically fight back. Republicans do-as-i-say-not-as-i-do policy is enough for me to be ok with this. Otherwise, youre letting moral degenerates obliterate your country. Gg 'Murica.
 

cytg111

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https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/29/us/politics/kavanaugh-fbi-inquiry.html

What the actual FUCK is going on ..

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/29/us/politics/kavanaugh-fbi-inquiry.html

"
WASHINGTON — President Trump said on Saturday that the F.B.I. will have “free rein” to investigate allegations of sexual misconduct against Judge Brett M. Kavanaugh, but the emerging contours of the inquiry showed its limited scope.

Four witnesses will be questioned in coming days about aspects of the assault accusations against Judge Kavanaugh, according to two people familiar with the matter. Left off the list were former classmates who have contradicted Judge Kavanaugh’s congressional testimony about his drinking and partying as a student.
"

- So free reign ... means this list of FOUR people.
Oh man this is better than bowling green if it wasnt so sad.
 

fskimospy

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https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/29/us/politics/kavanaugh-fbi-inquiry.html

What the actual FUCK is going on ..

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/29/us/politics/kavanaugh-fbi-inquiry.html

"
WASHINGTON — President Trump said on Saturday that the F.B.I. will have “free rein” to investigate allegations of sexual misconduct against Judge Brett M. Kavanaugh, but the emerging contours of the inquiry showed its limited scope.

Four witnesses will be questioned in coming days about aspects of the assault accusations against Judge Kavanaugh, according to two people familiar with the matter. Left off the list were former classmates who have contradicted Judge Kavanaugh’s congressional testimony about his drinking and partying as a student.
"

- So free reign ... means this list of FOUR people.
Oh man this is better than bowling green if it wasnt so sad.

As I suspected Trump is meddling in the investigation. When asked why he’s meddling he simply lies and denies it.
 

TeeJay1952

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This isn't a trial it is a job interview. He cursed out and asked prospective employers about their drinking habits and lied about old yearbook postings. Not throwing him in jail, just not hiring him for this job.
 

HomerJS

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Polygraph is hardly a legitimate method, in fact it's quite easy to consistently trick it by trained professionals or for it to be consistently inconclusive, that is why polygraph results are INADMISSIBLE in court!

Especially doing a polygraph on something that happened 36 years ago, it would be worthless essentially, but when did she take a polygraph about this accusation? I've not read anything of the sort, what is your source?
Polygraphs are required for many high level government jobs. What makes Kavanaugh so special?

Answer this, has Kavanaugh lied during any point of this confirmation process?
Has Kavanaugh evaded any question
Has Ford lied during any point of her testimony?
Has Ford evaded any questions?
 

IronWing

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Polygraphs are required for many high level government jobs. What makes Kavanaugh so special?

Answer this, has Kavanaugh lied during any point of this confirmation process?
Has Kavanaugh evaded any question
Has Ford lied during any point of her testimony?
Has Ford evaded any questions?
Whether Ford lied or not is immaterial to Kavanaugh's fitness for the Supreme Court. It is Kavanaugh's conduct alone that disqualifies him.
 

HomerJS

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Whether Ford lied or not is immaterial to Kavanaugh's fitness for the Supreme Court. It is Kavanaugh's conduct alone that disqualifies him.
Employers generally don't hire people who lie during their job interview
 

IronWing

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Employers generally don't hire people who lie during their job interview
My point is that some on this board want to insist that Ford lied. Whether she did or didn't simply doesn't matter to the decision at hand. What matters is that Kavanaugh lied and is unfit to serve on the court.
 

HomerJS

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What if the email said the alleged abuse was 35 years ago as a teenager, the sitter has been squeaky clean since, and the information was held for weeks and used for obvious vested intent in creating chaos because two years ago the side that sent the email was thoroughly rejected by America and they've been throwing a tantrum since?

I'd probably dismiss it.

Nuance matters, you overly dumbed it down.
How long the information takes to come out has nothing to do with the underlying accusation. The fact that you wouldn't even follow up on last minute information makes me think your kids are in trouble.
 
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