Kavanaugh SCOTUS Senate Judicial Hearing

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HomerJS

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Partisans like yourself came out against him within seconds of his being named, for no other reason than the person that named him. Don't lie that it has anything at all to do about the man.
You mean like the meeting Republicans held BEFORE Obama took office on how to block EVERYTHING he proposes.
 

cytg111

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Partisans like yourself came out against him within seconds of his being named, for no other reason than the person that named him. Don't lie that it has anything at all to do about the man.
Why let reality dictate your decisions when you can just make shit up and deep throat whatever fox ejects.
You sir, are a hack, a never been, never was. Trump IS your man.
 
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boomerang

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Liberals are really convinced that conservatives are gunning for Roe V Wade. Not so. Most of them I know, while they do not personally support all aspects of abortion, are reasonable toward it, especially in the cases of rape, incest and the possibility that the child would be born with severe birth defects. Where we disagree, often times, is at what point in the pregnancy abortions should be allowed to be performed. Most of us consider abortion to be settled law.
Our concerns about having a liberal weighted court are about keeping the Gov. Jerry Browns of this world from creating sanctuary states, allowing illegals to vote and appointing illegals to government positions. We want judges who interpret things according to the law, not by their feelings or biases in situations.
Roe v Wade is the smokescreen. The real issue is the desire of the left to have a court that will at some point, in essence nullify the second amendment. The electorate will not allow for it through the amendment process but a SCOTUS that bases rulings on feelings instead of the Constitution can. If they do there is essentially no recourse.

This is about ultimate power. Power to change the course of the nation. Power to fundamentally transform it. You can't do that with an armed populace.
 
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Jhhnn

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Roe v Wade is the smokescreen. The real issue is the desire of the left to have a court that will at some point in essence nullify the second amendment. The electorate will not allow for it through the amendment process but a SCOTUS that bases rulings on feelings instead of the Constitution can. If they do there is essentially no recourse.

This is about ultimate power. Power to change the course of the nation. Power to fundamentally transform it. You can't do that with an armed populace.

That's completely nuts. Preservation of Roe is an honest issue for Dems, completely independent of your gun grabber fantasies.
 
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HomerJS

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I hear a lot of people crying "innocent until proven guilty"

However Trump when it comes to black people, when they are found innocent in court he still proclaims them guilty. No outrage there.
 
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soundforbjt

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Roe v Wade is the smokescreen. The real issue is the desire of the left to have a court that will at some point, in essence nullify the second amendment. The electorate will not allow for it through the amendment process but a SCOTUS that bases rulings on feelings instead of the Constitution can. If they do there is essentially no recourse.

This is about ultimate power. Power to change the course of the nation. Power to fundamentally transform it. You can't do that with an armed populace.

The real power grab is Trump wanting Brat Kavanaugh to rule on his pardon powers being extended to include State as well as Federal ( case up on the SC docket in next session) and of course to block Trump from being subpoenaed and indicted. Any other conservative pick would most likely defend the 2A.
 

HomerJS

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The real power grab is Trump wanting Brat Kavanaugh to rule on his pardon powers being extended to include State as well as Federal ( case up on the SC docket in next session) and of course to block Trump from being subpoenaed and indicted. Any other conservative pick would most likely defend the 2A.
Remember Kavanaugh was not on the original Federalist list. He was added later. Smoke meet fire
 

soundforbjt

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Remember Kavanaugh was not on the original Federalist list. He was added later. Smoke meet fire
I'm really disappointed that the MSM isn't pushing this ( my above post ) in their fight against Brat K., this is the real story to take him down. Real Americans don't want a dictator with unlimited powers.
 
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HomerJS

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I have yet to see any Kavanaugh supporters answer the following, is lying during your job interview disqualifying for the position?
 

cytg111

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I have yet to see any Kavanaugh supporters answer the following, is lying during your job interview, for the SCOTUS, disqualifying for the position?

Had to add that.
Trump is going off against Iran while back home he is trying to install a priesthood of his own.
 

Jhhnn

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I have yet to see any Kavanaugh supporters answer the following, is lying during your job interview disqualifying for the position?

At least he didn't go off about chemtrails, gay frogs or the Illuminutty.
 

Maxima1

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So from what I'm seeing from the NYT, Flake, Murkowski, and Collins lied about the kind of investigation they wanted, since they were aware of the limitations the admin was placing on the investigation.
 

Jhhnn

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So from what I'm seeing from the NYT, Flake, Murkowski, and Collins lied about the kind of investigation they wanted, since they were aware of the limitations the admin was placing on the investigation.

That's called duh-version & blame shifting.
 

Starbuck1975

Lifer
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I have yet to see any Kavanaugh supporters answer the following, is lying during your job interview disqualifying for the position?
Not a Kavanaugh supporter but its the lies that should disqualify him.

If we are treating this like a corporation, I would also fire every member of the judiciary committee.
 
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yllus

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Not a Kavanaugh supporter but its the lies that should disqualify him.

If we are treating this like a corporation, I would also fire every member of the judiciary committee.
Honestly yeah. The Democrats did not do an adequate job of questioning either; I know it's a tall task with 5 minutes each but it has to be done. Cede your time to a lead questioner and get real answers.

Assault allegations or not, you cannot have a potential Supreme Court judge lying left and right like he did here. Judge Amy Barrett would presumably be confirmed with grumbling but with confidence of being a competent appointee and of morals of the highest order.
 
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Maxima1

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That's called duh-version & blame shifting.

What do you mean? That those anonymous administration officials were lying about working in concert with Senate Republicans?

Such a sham if this is how it's going down (which means Wray is signing onto it as well), and those Senate Republicans don't interject. Interviewing just 4 people is laughable. There is at least two dozen potential people that could be interviewed.
 

K1052

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I'm seeing quite a bit of rationalization in conservative circles that admits Kav was not truthful but excuses it on the grounds that the questions were unfair/embarrassing. Much like Trump they know the lies are lies but in service of the partisan agenda it doesn't matter. There is no sin except losing.

My expectation is that the FBI investigation, which appears to be hobbled from the WH, will probably turn up little we don't know. This will likely lead to a successful but narrow confirmation vote next week. The downstream political consequences for the Republican look unfavorable. Without an issue to mobilize their voters turnout could lag. Democratic campaign finance figures are 4 to 5 times the last midterm cycle and their voters appear very motivated. Republican money sources are aggressively cutting off incumbent candidates who look done to preserve resources. The House appears all but lost and the senate is in question. Loss of one or both houses will certainly lead to investigations into the Kavanaugh appointment.

The real long term cost of Kavanaugh's appointment is the legitimacy of the Supreme Court. I expect to see Democrats try to pack it in my lifetime.
 

ch33zw1z

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Not a Kavanaugh supporter but its the lies that should disqualify him.

If we are treating this like a corporation, I would also fire every member of the judiciary committee.

Yup. The lies alone are enough to DQ him. But good thing those dirty liberals aren't running things. This is what 'Murica vote for. Elect a clown, get a circus.
 

FIVR

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I'm seeing quite a bit of rationalization in conservative circles that admits Kav was not truthful but excuses it on the grounds that the questions were unfair/embarrassing. Much like Trump they know the lies are lies but in service of the partisan agenda it doesn't matter. There is no sin except losing.

My expectation is that the FBI investigation, which appears to be hobbled from the WH, will probably turn up little we don't know. This will likely lead to a successful but narrow confirmation vote next week. The downstream political consequences for the Republican look unfavorable. Without an issue to mobilize their voters turnout could lag. Democratic campaign finance figures are 4 to 5 times the last midterm cycle and their voters appear very motivated. Republican money sources are aggressively cutting off incumbent candidates who look done to preserve resources. The House appears all but lost and the senate is in question. Loss of one or both houses will certainly lead to investigations into the Kavanaugh appointment.

The real long term cost of Kavanaugh's appointment is the legitimacy of the Supreme Court. I expect to see Democrats try to pack it in my lifetime.


The FBI said they were going to look into both Ford's and Ramirez's allegations. If they look into those allegations thoroughly they will find them to be much more credible than Kavanaugh's denials. So the question is not "how much did Trump hobble the FBI?", the question is how much did the FBI hobble itself to serve the conservative agenda. There is ample evidence and many credible witnesses to be looked at in the Ford allegation alone. If the FBI come back with "We dunno who is telling the truth!" then they are not trying to find out who is telling the truth.
 

Maxima1

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The FBI said they were going to look into both Ford's and Ramirez's allegations. If they look into those allegations thoroughly they will find them to be much more credible than Kavanaugh's denials. So the question is not "how much did Trump hobble the FBI?", the question is how much did the FBI hobble itself to serve the conservative agenda. There is ample evidence and many credible witnesses to be looked at in the Ford allegation alone. If the FBI come back with "We dunno who is telling the truth!" then they are not trying to find out who is telling the truth.

They'll also probably act as if they don't need extra time.
 
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