Kavanaugh SCOTUS Senate Judicial Hearing

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shortylickens

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I have to imagine if you attempted to rape someone, you'd certainly remember it 30+ years later. But I guess if you're constantly trying to rape people, they might just kinda smear into another one.

If Cosby is any indication, (or Harvey), simply forcing yourself on a woman doesnt automatically qualify as rape.
Oh, and Brock Turner.
 

UNCjigga

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So what’s this I keep hearing about the report being completed and making its way to the WH/Judiciary Cmte in the next few hours? FBI already done?
 

jackstar7

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Apparently there's only one copy of the report and they're going to have to read it one at a time.

That sounds like a brilliant way to handle an expedited process.
 

Commodus

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ok sounds good, what did he lie about? I find it hard to tell the truth, about something I did 36 years ago, I mean how the hell would I remember the facts, at a party? One party would just kinda smear into another one. that would be tough, I must admit.

Rather than rehash what others have said, visit that Washington Post piece ch33zw1z linked earlier. It's not just about the circumstances around attempted rape, although he has certainly lied about that -- it's that he hasn't been honest about a number of subjects during the hearings. Do you want a Supreme Court Justice who can't even be honest about how he was drinking as a teenager?
 

cytg111

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FBI havent talked to Kavanaugh or Ford or any of the other that has come forward and contacted FBI themselves.
I dont know, maybe Rosenstein is allowing this as to not give Trump a fake reason to fire him...
 

compuwiz1

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So what’s this I keep hearing about the report being completed and making its way to the WH/Judiciary Cmte in the next few hours? FBI already done?


Sure, why not? It was only a bit of follow up and clean up, supplementing his already having SIX freaking FBI background checks. That doesn't take long. Now either he's guilty, or confirmed. We'll see.
 
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happy medium

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Rather than rehash what others have said, visit that Washington Post piece ch33zw1z linked earlier. It's not just about the circumstances around attempted rape, although he has certainly lied about that -- it's that he hasn't been honest about a number of subjects during the hearings. Do you want a Supreme Court Justice who can't even be honest about how he was drinking as a teenager?

well im sure the FBI report will bust him then, we will find out in a few days.
And if the FBI report says they found nothing, are they liars also?
I have a feeling, they will not find anything that has not already been said, do you?
 
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jackstar7

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well im sure the FBI report will bust him then, we will find out in a few days.
And if the FBI report says they found nothing, are they liars also?
I have a feeling, they will not find anything that has not already been said, do you?
Who do you work for?
 

Commodus

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well im sure the FBI report will bust him then, we will find out in a few days.
And if the FBI report says they found nothing, are they liars also?
I have a feeling, they will not find anything that has not already been said, do you?

If the FBI found nothing, I'd trust them. So long as they aren't being hindered in their investigation, of course. The agency can only do so much given the age of the case, so I wouldn't count on them finding much more... but that's part of what an investigation is for, seeing if there's more than what meets the eye.
 

happy medium

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If the FBI found nothing, I'd trust them. So long as they aren't being hindered in their investigation, of course. The agency can only do so much given the age of the case, so I wouldn't count on them finding much more... but that's part of what an investigation is for, seeing if there's more than what meets the eye.
I feel the same way. I thought a week? but then I was watching a ex FBI guy on a news show saying we have over 2,000 agents and in reality they could do this investigation EASILY in days not weeks.
So i'm convinced it will be thorough enough.
They have to interview witnesses, read some affidavits, and listen to sworn testimony.
I'm sure there is a hundred guys doing this, it should be simple.
 
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Maxima1

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If the FBI found nothing, I'd trust them. So long as they aren't being hindered in their investigation, of course. The agency can only do so much given the age of the case, so I wouldn't count on them finding much more... but that's part of what an investigation is for, seeing if there's more than what meets the eye.

Which they are. And Wray will probably try to hide it. They could easily put out a memo that the scope the WH has given them won't find the truth. But this is to be expected. Who do they respond to? The GOP asking them to do inappropriate things or the Democrats asking for a no favors process?
 

happy medium

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If the FBI found nothing, I'd trust them. So long as they aren't being hindered in their investigation, of course. The agency can only do so much given the age of the case, so I wouldn't count on them finding much more... but that's part of what an investigation is for, seeing if there's more than what meets the eye.

I'd like to ask you this question, I can't seem to find an answer.

I'm still wondering why these ladies didn't come forward when he was appointed a judge?
seems more like perfect timing to me, real fishy.

I mean if the ladies thought he was a rapist or that bad why did they not try to ruin him a long time ago?
Is it ok their eyes to have a judge that drugs and gang rapes or whatever?

I 'd like your opinion on this.
 
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Rather than rehash what others have said, visit that Washington Post piece ch33zw1z linked earlier. It's not just about the circumstances around attempted rape, although he has certainly lied about that -- it's that he hasn't been honest about a number of subjects during the hearings. Do you want a Supreme Court Justice who can't even be honest about how he was drinking as a teenager?

The problem is you're giving him the benefit of the doubt that he's at all interested in discussing this in good faith. He has a history of not doing that (not just on politics either).

Also, interesting that as one person makes a big show of "leaving" we suddenly get rampant posting from an account that rarely posts in here, no?
 
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I'd like to ask you this question, I can't seem to find an answer.

I'm still wondering why these ladies didn't come forward when he was appointed a judge?
seems more like perfect timing to me, real fishy.

I mean if the ladies thought he was a rapist or that bad why did they not try to ruin him a long time ago?
Is it ok their eyes to have a judge that drugs and gang rapes or whatever?

I 'd like your opinion on this.

I'm only responding because I will strongly push back on these incredibly typical attempts at discrediting victims of stuff like this (while you're trying to be eloquent about it, your argument is still the "well they should've done this back when it happened, so it probably didn't happen they're just seizing an opportunity"; which I have a problem with this type of reasoning because if they're trying to seize an opportunity, that would actually make me more likely to believe it happened and that they're doing it as a vendetta and payback for what the perpetrator had done).

You assume that they were intimately keeping track of his life. I don't know about Ford (although she came out with this to her therapist a few years ago, its not uncommon for people to suppress/repress this type of thing for extended periods of time), but I kinda doubt the other ones were keeping up with what he was up to.

But, because being nominated for the Supreme Court is kinda a big deal, they probably became aware of him again. This is international news level. The first time he was made a judge, wasn't.
 
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happy medium

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although she came out with this to her therapist a few years ago,

WAIT?! your saying she remembered this years ago? and said nothing?
She knew that there was a judge that drugged and gang raped but said nothing?
I can understand not wanting to come out and say this in public now when it will be on every headline for weeks but back then it might have barley made the front page.
That's even more fishy.

thoughts?
 
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ok sounds good, what did he lie about? I find it hard to tell the truth, about something I did 36 years ago, I mean how the hell would I remember the facts, at a party? One party would just kinda smear into another one. that would be tough, I must admit.

Go back to sleep child.
 

Commodus

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I'd like to ask you this question, I can't seem to find an answer.

I'm still wondering why these ladies didn't come forward when he was appointed a judge?
seems more like perfect timing to me, real fishy.

I mean if the ladies thought he was a rapist or that bad why did they not try to ruin him a long time ago?
Is it ok their eyes to have a judge that drugs and gang rapes or whatever?

I 'd like your opinion on this.

Because coming forward isn't that simple.

We've just seen what women often experience when they do come forward: many men assume they're lying, they're asked to relive trauma, and they even get death threats (I still want to know why people see this as opportunism when Ford testified after having to evacuate her home). There's still a climate of sexism where protecting a man's reputation is considered more important than taking allegations seriously.

As examples: look at Brock Turner, who got a light sentence for rape because the judge was more concerned about preserving his future than the lifetime of trauma he inflicted on his victim. Or Bill Cosby, who admitted to drugging women but didn't lose his squeaky clean image until dozens of women came forward years later.

You see the problem here? It's easy to say "oh, she should have come forward much earlier" when you aren't the one facing a gauntlet of men who'll attack you and drag your name through the dirt. I don't think Ford was being opportunistic. Rather, it's that she realized that if she didn't say something now, her attacker would be virtually guaranteed to sit in the highest court of the land for the rest of his life.
 
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happy medium

Lifer
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Because coming forward isn't that simple.

We've just seen what women often experience when they do come forward: many men assume they're lying, they're asked to relive trauma, and they even get death threats (I still want to know why people see this as opportunism when Ford testified after having to evacuate her home). There's still a climate of sexism where protecting a man's reputation is considered more important than taking allegations seriously.

As examples: look at Brock Turner, who got a light sentence for rape because the judge was more concerned about preserving his future than the lifetime of trauma he inflicted on his victim. Or Bill Cosby, who admitted to drugging women but didn't lose his squeaky clean image until dozens of women came forward years later.

You see the problem here? It's easy to say "oh, she should have come forward much earlier" when you aren't the one facing a gauntlet of men who'll attack you and drag your name through the dirt. I don't think Ford was being opportunistic. Rather, it's that she realized that if she didn't say something now, her attacker would be virtually guaranteed to sit in the highest court of the land for the rest of his life.

I can understand not wanting to come out and say this in public NOW when it will be on every headline for WEEKS, and of coarse be facing the gauntlet of people, especially because of the timing of it, that would be tough, I understand that.

But back then, 6 years ago, when she told her therapist ,it might have barley made the front page. SO your telling me she felt so strongly about what he did but said nothing WHILE HE WAS A JUDGE FOR 6 YEARS!?
That's even more fishy. You are actually making it EASIER for me to think this is politically motivated.
 
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I can understand not wanting to come out and say this in public NOW when it will be on every headline for WEEKS, and of coarse be facing the gauntlet of people, especially because of the timing of it, that would be tough, I understand that.

But back then, 6 years ago, when she told her therapist ,it might have barley made the front page. SO your telling me she felt so strongly about what he did but said nothing WHILE HE WAS A JUDGE FOR 6 YEARS!?
That's even more fishy. You are actually making it EASIER for me to think this is politically motivated.
Do you think your act here is original?
 

brycejones

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I can understand not wanting to come out and say this in public NOW when it will be on every headline for WEEKS, and of coarse be facing the gauntlet of people, especially because of the timing of it, that would be tough, I understand that.

But back then, 6 years ago, when she told her therapist ,it might have barley made the front page. SO your telling me she felt so strongly about what he did but said nothing WHILE HE WAS A JUDGE FOR 6 YEARS!?
That's even more fishy. You are actually making it EASIER for me to think this is politically motivated.

0/10 for originality in stupidity

Oh and welcome new deplorable, did you tag in since derpsavagefan tagged out?
 

Jhhnn

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I can understand not wanting to come out and say this in public NOW when it will be on every headline for WEEKS, and of coarse be facing the gauntlet of people, especially because of the timing of it, that would be tough, I understand that.

But back then, 6 years ago, when she told her therapist ,it might have barley made the front page. SO your telling me she felt so strongly about what he did but said nothing WHILE HE WAS A JUDGE FOR 6 YEARS!?
That's even more fishy.

He'd still have been a judge even if she had come forward back then. It would have only brought her grief. He'll still be a judge no matter if he's confirmed to the SCOTUS or not, anyway.
 
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