Kavanaugh SCOTUS Senate Judicial Hearing

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Commodus

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I can understand not wanting to come out and say this in public NOW when it will be on every headline for WEEKS, and of coarse be facing the gauntlet of people, especially because of the timing of it, that would be tough, I understand that.

But back then, 6 years ago, when she told her therapist ,it might have barley made the front page. SO your telling me she felt so strongly about what he did but said nothing WHILE HE WAS A JUDGE FOR 6 YEARS!?
That's even more fishy.

No, it's not fishy at all.

Think of it like this: you know how at a wedding they have that line about how any objectors to the marriage should "speak now or forever hold their peace?" It's that. It's easy to tell your therapist in a private session, but publicly declaring it could be extremely difficult when you don't have much help. It would take a now-or-never situation -- say, your attacker being appointed as a Supreme Court judge -- to make you endure the psychological and physical suffering of testifying about the event.

Remember, less than a third of sexual assaults go reported.

The unfortunate thing is that you're doing the very thing I pointed out. Your mission is to protect the accused man's reputation at all costs (such as doubting that he lied when it's confirmed he has), and assume the woman is lying. I may be siding with Ford to a degree on this one, but that's because both A) the clear majority of sexual assault claims have historically been truthful, and B) Kavanaugh has already proven to have lied repeatedly. I'll take the word of the woman who's traumatized and readily answers questions over the man who's already a proven liar, evades questions and even flings out conspiracy theories.
 
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interchange

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I can understand not wanting to come out and say this in public NOW when it will be on every headline for WEEKS, and of coarse be facing the gauntlet of people, especially because of the timing of it, that would be tough, I understand that.

But back then, 6 years ago, when she told her therapist ,it might have barley made the front page. SO your telling me she felt so strongly about what he did but said nothing WHILE HE WAS A JUDGE FOR 6 YEARS!?
That's even more fishy. You are actually making it EASIER for me to think this is politically motivated.

As has been posted, the norm for sexual assault victims is to keep them hidden by more than 2:1 ratio. Here your are making a logical error. You assume because you cannot rationally understand a behavior it is suspect. However, since a crapton of evidence substantiates that the behavior is normative, the disparity here is in your lack of understanding and not in her behavior.
 

happy medium

Lifer
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No, it's not fishy at all.

Think of it like this: you know how at a wedding they have that line about how any objectors to the marriage should "speak now or forever hold their peace?" It's that. It's easy to tell your therapist in a private session, but publicly declaring it could be extremely difficult when you don't have much help. It would take a now-or-never situation -- say, your attacker being appointed as a Supreme Court judge -- to make you endure the psychological and physical suffering of testifying about the event.

Remember, less than a third of sexual assaults go reported.

The unfortunate thing is that you're doing the very thing I pointed out. Your mission is to protect the accused man's reputation at all costs (such as doubting that he lied when it's confirmed he has), and assume the woman is lying. I may be siding with Ford to a degree on this one, but that's because both A) the clear majority of sexual assault claims have historically been truthful, and B) Kavanaugh has already proven to have lied repeatedly. I'll take the word of the woman who's traumatized and readily answers questions over the man who's already a proven liar, evades questions and even flings out conspiracy theories.

I'd like to point out how your point of view hurts everyone before I go.
If this last minute lynching of this person is successful , where does it lead?
Wanna run for mayor? judge, president, senate, congress, get a job anywhere?
it will only take one person to accuse you publicly of something you might have or might not have done to ruin you. 2 years or 40 years ago, don't matter, your done, innocent ,? don't matter you are done.
There are far too many cases of false accusations that ruin people and NOTHING is done about it.
And far to many crimes that are not reported ,BUT that does not mean you should be able to roast someones good name, there are many innocent people that are also accused, lets not forget about them also/

thanks for your time,
I appreciate the conversation without name calling.
 
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Lifer
Jun 8, 2003
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As has been posted, the norm for sexual assault victims is to keep them hidden by more than 2:1 ratio. Here your are making a logical error. You assume because you cannot rationally understand a behavior it is suspect. However, since a crapton of evidence substantiates that the behavior is normative, the disparity here is in your lack of understanding and not in her behavior.

what if I told you I am a victim,? Being accused of something that you are innocent of.
Do you have first hand knowledge of how this can ruin a persons life?
I do, mabe this will explain my position?
Is it hard to feel sorry for us innocent people, it seems easy for you to feel sorry for those that are victims, WE are victims also.

good day sir, thank you
 
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FIVR

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Kavanaugh will make it onto the court and the Democrats will be all the better for it. Imagine a world where the turtle isn't majority leader? That can happen, if Kavanugh makes it onto the court. As intelligent democrats, we can only hope he does.
 

FIVR

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If you have a vagina, Kavanaugh is bad news. I'm thankful that nobody is trying to legislate my genitals but I can understand why women would be upset. What I can't understand is why 55% of white females vote republican. That seems like they are voting agains their own interests.

Perhaps that will change now that their votes are giving away the rights to their own bodies.
 

Jhhnn

IN MEMORIAM
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Kavanaugh will make it onto the court and the Democrats will be all the better for it. Imagine a world where the turtle isn't majority leader? That can happen, if Kavanugh makes it onto the court. As intelligent democrats, we can only hope he does.

Bullshit. Kavanaugh would bring extreme bias & disrepute to the Court for the next couple of decades.
 

Paratus

Lifer
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Kavanaughs freshman year roommate wrote an article on Slate. He details Kavanaughs lies, under oath about his drinking and the contents of his yearbook.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/10/brett-kavanaugh-college-roommate-jamie-roche.html


I do not know if Brett attacked Christine Blasey Ford in high school or if he sexually humiliated Debbie in front of a group of people she thought were her friends. But I can say that he lied under oath. He claimed that he occasionally drank too much but never enough to forget details of the night before, never enough to “black out.” He did, regularly. He said that “boofing” was farting and the “Devil’s Triangle” was a drinking game. “Boofing” and “Devil’s Triangle” are sexual references. I know this because I heard Brett and his friends using these terms on multiple occasions.

I can’t imagine that anyone in the Senate wants to confirm an individual to a lifetime appointment on the United States Supreme Court who has demonstrated a willingness to be untruthful under oath about easily verified information.

I do not argue that Brett or anyone else should be persecuted for teenage drinking antics that are common to many, many Americans. My parents once visited Yale unexpectedly to find that I was unresponsive in my dorm room after a long session at Mory’s where friends and I sang and drank from trophy cups way past our limits. I was not a choirboy, but—unlike Brett—I’m not going on national television and testifying under oath that I was. This is not about drinking too much or even encouraging others to drink. It is not about using coarse language or even about the gray area between testing sexual boundaries with a date and sexual abuse. This is about denial. This is about not facing consequences. This is about lying.

In this case, the lies are not trivial: His lies about sexual terms and his drinking are directly relevant to the accusations of Christine Blasey Ford and Debbie Ramirez, which both involved sexual behavior and heavy drinking. The truth would make him look bad and would bolster the credibility of both of these women. In this climate, had he simply said “I don’t remember” or even “If I did these things in my youth I am sorry,” he might have sailed through the confirmation process. But he lied, under oath, like it was nothing.
 
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FIVR

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Bullshit. Kavanaugh would bring extreme bias & disrepute to the Court for the next couple of decades.
Reasons to be happy about Kavanaugh:
1) He's a drunk and will probably die younger than any other judge. Maybe even very early in some accident.

2) The other judges Trump could nominate are younger and more competent. One woman is in her mid 40s

3) The other judges are just as bad, many have even more deplorable views than Kavanaugh

4) The other judges will not offer any chance of impeachment whatsoever. We have no idea how many accusers there are out there. I would bet there are more that come forward.

5) His nomination will undoubtedly energize democrats and probably console republicans into thinking everything is fine, and lowering their turnout.
 

Maxima1

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Bullshit. Kavanaugh would bring extreme bias & disrepute to the Court for the next couple of decades.

Getting Kavanaugh in gives more reason for Democrats to add to the court to cancel his bullshit out. There's reason to think confirming him may screw them in the midterms as well. The base wants a vote. I'm not even sure if the turtle really wants a yes. If it fails, the deplorables may come out in droves yelling they're so persecuted.
 

Jhhnn

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Reasons to be happy about Kavanaugh:
1) He's a drunk and will probably die younger than any other judge. Maybe even very early in some accident.

2) The other judges Trump could nominate are younger and more competent. One woman is in her mid 40s

3) The other judges are just as bad, many have even more deplorable views than Kavanaugh

4) The other judges will not offer any chance of impeachment whatsoever. We have no idea how many accusers there are out there. I would bet there are more that come forward.

5) His nomination will undoubtedly energize democrats and probably console republicans into thinking everything is fine, and lowering their turnout.

Kavanaugh isn't fit to serve. We'll deal with the next nominee when the time comes.
 

Jhhnn

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Getting Kavanaugh in gives more reason for Democrats to add to the court to cancel his bullshit out. There's reason to think confirming him may screw them in the midterms as well. The base wants a vote. I'm not even sure if the turtle really wants a yes. If it fails, the deplorables may come out in droves yelling they're so persecuted.

Gawd. If McConnell didn't want a yes he wouldn't have changed the rules. He wants stacking the Court to be his legacy.
 

Maxima1

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Gawd. If McConnell didn't want a yes he wouldn't have changed the rules. He wants stacking the Court to be his legacy.

This guy has multiple perjuries that provable through documentary evidence. His behavior during the hearing was so outrageous that over 650 law professors at many universities say he's unfit. There may be other allegations that surface as well after confirmation. If the spineless Democrats wring their hands over it, then that's pathetic. Republicans can't win this fight. They're not the majority of the country.
 
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HomerJS

Lifer
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did anyone come up with real evidence yet?
witnesses, letters, pictures , video, anything that proves he did it, anything?

please don't tell me they think hes guilty because he drank to much 36 years ago in college when he was 16 ,17,18,19 years old? please, give us something real.

i'm still wondering why these ladies didn't come forward when he was appointed a judge?
seems more like perfect timing to me, real fishy.

I keep hearing people say there is eveidence, WHAT EVIDENCE?
Lying during a job interview is disqualifying
 

Jhhnn

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This guy has multiple perjuries that provable through documentary evidence. His behavior during the hearing was so outrageous that over 650 law professors at many universities say he's unfit. There may be other allegations that surface as well after confirmation. If the spineless Democrats wring their hands over it, then that's pathetic. Republicans can't win this fight. They're not the majority of the country.

Mitch doesn't care. He's a shrewd gambler going all in on Kavanaugh. Dems are powerless if he can whip his caucus into shape.

And, uhh, you just had to bothsides it with the spineless Democrats thing, huh?
 

HomerJS

Lifer
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Sure, why not? It was only a bit of follow up and clean up, supplementing his already having SIX freaking FBI background checks. That doesn't take long. Now either he's guilty, or confirmed. We'll see.
If you don't think additional information can come forward even after multiple FBI background checks, two words for you...

Rob Porter
 

HomerJS

Lifer
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I'd like to point out how your point of view hurts everyone before I go.
If this last minute lynching of this person is successful , where does it lead?
Wanna run for mayor? judge, president, senate, congress, get a job anywhere?
it will only take one person to accuse you publicly of something you might have or might not have done to ruin you. 2 years or 40 years ago, don't matter, your done, innocent ,? don't matter you are done.
There are far too many cases of false accusations that ruin people and NOTHING is done about it.
And far to many crimes that are not reported ,BUT that does not mean you should be able to roast someones good name, there are many innocent people that are also accused, lets not forget about them also/

thanks for your time,
I appreciate the conversation without name calling.
It didn't hurt Gorsuch and he went to the SAME FUCKING SCHOOL.

You know what happens if he gets seated, Dems take over the House, hold endless hearings and keep Kavanaugh tied up in subpoenas for a few years. He won't even get a chance to get his seat warm. It will be the Democratic version of Benghazi and you fucks will have it coming
 

Maxima1

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Mitch doesn't care. He's a shrewd gambler going all in on Kavanaugh. Dems are powerless if he can whip his caucus into shape.

And, uhh, you just had to bothsides it with the spineless Democrats thing, huh?

Uh, I still vote for the Democrats, so why do you get angry that I criticize them? If they do nothing, that's pathetic. It's people like you who don't want to elect some Congressmen with a little fire in the belly.

Now look at this below of what I was about to post and tell me with a straight face the turtle can get this guy in without severe consequences later

BREAKING NEWS. All three accusers corroborated. It's nuts to confirm this guy.

https://www.newyorker.com/news/news...testimonies-from-kavanaughs-former-classmates

Appold, who is the James Hastings Nichols Professor of Reformation History at Princeton Theological Seminary, said that he first heard about the alleged incident involving Kavanaugh and Ramirez either the night it occurred or a day or two later. Appold said that he was “one-hundred-per-cent certain” that he was told that Kavanaugh was the male student who exposed himself to Ramirez. He said that he never discussed the allegation with Ramirez, whom he said he barely knew in college. But he recalled details—which, he said, an eyewitness described to him at the time—that match Ramirez’s memory of what happened.
 

Lanyap

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Looks like Ford has been busted on her testimony about the two front doors related to the assault and its timing with the therapist session in 2012. This was supposed to be the evidence that sealed the deal in her testimony. I’ve been researching this issue since it came up. All houses have at least two doors for egress so why did Ford want a third door in the front of the house.

This lays out a lot of the details that refutes her testimony and explains what the second front door was really used for.
https://www.realclearinvestigations...uments_undermine_fords_exit_door_account.html

More details.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/a...ns_about_fords_double-door_story__138225.html

This one has links to google street views of her house from 2007 to 2015 and shows the second front door was already installed in 2011 before the therapist session in 2012. Also has a link to the remodel floor plan. You can see the before floor plan on the left is the original and on the right is the remodel. The front of house is viewed from the top on these plans. Notice the new master bedroom behind the garage already has two doors for egress one near the front door and one going to the back yard.
https://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant...a-of-her-2-front-doors----in-detail/79152833/

I’m surprised the Right figured this out. It’s usually the Left that uncovers this kind of stuff.

I wonder if the FBI is looking at this?
 
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nickqt

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If you have a vagina, Kavanaugh is bad news. I'm thankful that nobody is trying to legislate my genitals but I can understand why women would be upset. What I can't understand is why 55% of white females vote republican. That seems like they are voting agains their own interests.

Perhaps that will change now that their votes are giving away the rights to their own bodies.

Cognitive dissonance and projection are the twin pillars of modern US Conservatism d/b/a the Republican party.

Tribal solidarity Trumps whether a policy might actually be valuable to the individual Republican base voter. They're the collectivists they scream at us about.

They vote with the tribe.
 

Maxima1

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Jan 15, 2013
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Looks like Ford has been busted on her testimony about the two front doors related to the assault and its timing with the therapist session in 2012. This was supposed to be the evidence that sealed the deal in her testimony. I’ve been researching this issue since it came up. All houses have at least two doors for egress so why did Ford want a third door in the front of the house.

This lays out a lot of the details that refutes her testimony and explains what the second was really used for.
https://www.realclearinvestigations...uments_undermine_fords_exit_door_account.html

More details.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/a...ns_about_fords_double-door_story__138225.html

This one has links to google street views of her house from 2007 to 2015 and shows the second front door was already installed in 2011 before the therapist session in 2012. Also has a link to the remodel floor plan. You can see the before floor plan on the left is the original and on the right is the remodel. The front of house is viewed from the top on these plans. Notice the new master bedroom behind the garage already has two doors for egress one near the front door and one going to the back yard.
https://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant...a-of-her-2-front-doors----in-detail/79152833/

I’m surprised the Right figured this out. It’s usually the Left that uncovers this kind of stuff.

I wonder if the FBI is looking at this?

lol tigerdroppings?
 
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