Kavanaugh SCOTUS Senate Judicial Hearing

[fskimospy]

What's funny is that you've somehow convinced yourself that you know anything about me based on a few, probably troll, posts on an internet message board. You don't have a clue.

Meh, I feel pretty confident you knew basically nothing about Kavanaugh before he was nominated and this all blew up and the type of jurisprudence he has is one that the vast majority of Americans, liberal and conservative disagree with.

Conservative support for him isn’t based on how they think he will rule outside of Christians thinking he will overturn Roe v. Wade, it’s tribalism. Sure there is a small sliver that thinks the constitution was primarily created to prevent regulation of business but that’s very few people.

 

[dank69]

The big problem we have now is that that the presumption of innocence is being turned on it's head.

There is no right to be believed. To assert such would nullify the presumption of innocence. I'm not sure how otherwise intelligent people can't figure this out. Maybe it's because we're in the middle of a panic.

Hopefully the victim in all this, the "presumption of innocence," will be okay. I'm sure it appreciates your concern.

 

[Starbuck1975]

You realize that such a think renders net neutrality unconstitutional, right?

It basically makes all ISP network management regulation unconstitutional. It’s an absolutely breathtaking change to the regulatory power of government, done in opposition to the overwhelming majority of voters. That’s radical by any definition.

You don’t have to view him being a radical as disqualifying but that’s what he is.

Again, I think he is a deregulatory minded federalist that believes in extending rights to corporations. I don’t agree with that perspective, but I also think the information age is introducing some regulatory challenges as it relates to content. How is an ISP placing a charge on high bandwidth content any different than a state government tolling a carpool lane?

 

[IJTSSG]

Meh, I feel pretty confident you knew basically nothing about Kavanaugh before he was nominated and this all blew up and the type of jurisprudence he has is one that the vast majority of Americans, liberal and conservative disagree with.

Conservative support for him isn’t based on how they think he will rule outside of Christians thinking he will overturn Roe v. Wade, it’s tribalism. Sure there is a small sliver that thinks the constitution was primarily created to prevent regulation of business but that’s very few people.

Whatever you say. You know everything. ZZZzzzzzzzzzzzz.

 

[IronWing]

I guess the Dems blew it. When Kavanaugh offered to do whatever the committee wanted, they should have offered to apply the same interrogation techniques to him that he advocated be applied to others when he was working for Bush. We might have gotten to the truth of the situation. But I guess that is one thing that still separates us real from the Republicans, real Americans still respect the Constitution and human rights.

 

[dank69]

From the person who can't understand the most basic precept of common law.

Keep ignoring all the evidence that Ford was credible and Kavanaugh was not.

 

[SlowSpyder]

Trump gets it done. He wins and wins again.

 

[crashtech]

And Kavanaugh is known to have lied during the process multiple times (such as denying his heavy drinking). So who do you trust, a woman who freely admits what she does and doesn't remember, or a man who is very adamant when lying?

Oh, and if you genuinely care about due process, then you still have to declare this appointment process a sham. The FBI was given just a week to conduct an investigation, and didn't even get to interview Kavanaugh or Ford, let alone the dozens of other people who could have filled in details. You say you're interested in due process, but the Republicans specifically made sure that due process couldn't happen. Instead, the only way any kind of justice can happen is if the Dems can regain power and ensure a real investigation takes place.

There were intervening decades where due process could have taken place. Many people were very suspicious that it got brought up just in time for the confirmation. Where were these allegations when he became a Circuit Court judge? I don't have anything to prove to you about my dedication to due process, we just happen to disagree regarding the form it ought to take.

 

[0roo0roo]

I disagree. Avenatti deserves all of the blame for diluting the legitimate accusations with his nonsense. Avenatti is who emboldened the GOP to go on offense.

Oh poor you, he proved that false accusations were common, literally 2 out of 3 were 100% disproven, 3rd beyond dubious by default. But this is nothing new, the left have been parading false accusers who disappear never to be heard of again when no longer useful for the longest time. And as already stated, from Mattress girl to Laura Dunn, this goes way back and is nothing unusual.


And all this over what exactly? In the outcome of roe being overturned, as unlikely as it is, the question merely goes back to the states, where you will have to actually use "democracy" to get your way again, and in most states it remains legal by default. In democrats darkest future, women still end up with more reproductive rights than men. For men sex IS consent to parenthood, which proves feminism's hypocrisy since they themselves claim "sex isn't consent to parenthood" as basis for their access to abortion. In their darkest future women can still give children up for adoption to escape parental responsibilities, men simply face jail, there is no escape.

So the real reason why the left fixates on this issue isn't on principle, its because they use the drummed up fear to hold their voters hostage.

 

[crashtech]

Keep ignoring all the evidence that Ford was credible and Kavanaugh was not.

The FBI disagrees.

 

[IronWing]

The FBI disagrees.

How do you know?

 

[dank69]

The FBI disagrees.

Oh you read the report? No, you are taking the Republicans' word for it. Good plan. What a fool you are.

 

[IronWing]

Oh poor you, he proved that false accusations were common, literally 2 out of 3 were 100% disproven, 3rd beyond dubious by default. But this is nothing new, the left have been parading false accusers who disappear never to be heard of again when no longer useful for the longest time. And as already stated, from Mattress girl to Laura Dunn, this goes way back and is nothing unusual.


And all this over what exactly? In the outcome of roe being overturned, as unlikely as it is, the question merely goes back to the states, where you will have to actually use "democracy" to get your way again, and in most states it remains legal by default. In democrats darkest future, women still end up with more reproductive rights than men. For men sex IS consent to parenthood, which proves feminism's hypocrisy since they themselves claim "sex isn't consent to parenthood" as basis for their access to abortion. In their darkest future women can still give children up for adoption to escape parental responsibilities, men simply face jail, there is no escape.

So the real reason why the left fixates on this issue isn't on principle, its because they use the drummed up fear to hold their voters hostage.

For the sake of women everywhere, please stay in your basement.

 

[Jhhnn]

Trump gets it done. He wins and wins again.

Heh. Such a hopeless fluffer. Trump picked from the list the Federalist Society sent him. That's it. McConnell orchestrated the whole song & dance, then slammed it in to the shorthairs.

 

[crashtech]

How do you know?

You have a point there, I am presuming that if there was something in their report, some senator would have done something.

 

[dank69]

You have a point there, I am presuming that if there was something in their report, some senator would have done something.

The Republicans muzzled the Senators. How do you not know this? Who talks about issues when they have no fucking idea what is going on?

 

[Jaskalas]

Trump is the President isn't he?

Yes - Trump is a filthy animal that brawled down and dirty. But as he stomped on his opponents with his "boot", he lifted up the correct voters with policy items. The states that turned did so on an economic message. Why are you dismissing that?

Democrats need to counter the POSITIVES of Trump. Yes, positives. His agenda. His message. Ignoring it cost you 2016. Rolling around in the mud with him was a fools errand. It badly addressed half his campaign, and completely ignored the other half.

Trump is filth, but you won't defeat him as filth. It's gotta be more than that. We have got to be something more than that, to the voters.

 

[IronWing]

You have a point there, I am presuming that if there was something in their report, some senator would have done something.

You mean despite the fact that revealing the contents of the report is a crime? The FBI investigation was designed as a sham to give Flake political cover for doing what he was going to do anyway. It is a big win for the fascists: they get their boy, they discredit the court, and discredit the FBI all in one move. It's a win for Flake as he is guaranteed post-Senate employment with one rightwing organization or another.

 

[fskimospy]

Again, I think he is a deregulatory minded federalist that believes in extending rights to corporations. I don’t agree with that perspective, but I also think the information age is introducing some regulatory challenges as it relates to content. How is an ISP placing a charge on high bandwidth content any different than a state government tolling a carpool lane?

Well states generally exempt car pool lanes from tolls if anything but I think I understand your point.

The thing is, it isn’t any different except that states are states and ISPs aren’t. We use the government to decide what roads should be tolled. Similarly, the state can decide what ‘information highways’ should be tolled or not. Kavanaugh, on the other hand, appears to think that the ‘cars’ an ISP handles are the equivalent of speech so it’s unconstitutional for the government to make that choice. ie: you effectively can’t regulate ISPs.

This is in accordance with tons of other conservative holdings that weaponize the first amendment against government regulation. Baking a cake is speech so public accommodation laws can’t apply. Signing a form saying you decline to provide birth control is infringing on your religion so the ACA can’t apply. Money is speech so campaign finance laws can’t apply. As almost anything can be speech, Internet packets apparently included, the first amendment has been changed from something encouraging the free exchange of ideas into something corporations can use to fuck us over.

That’s what Kavanaugh represents and it’s super radical! Again, maybe you don’t consider that a reason to oppose him but let’s make no mistake, he’s a radical.

 

[dank69]

Yes - Trump is a filthy animal that brawled down and dirty. But as he stomped on his opponents with his "boot", he lifted up the correct voters with policy items. The states that turned did so on an economic message. Why are you dismissing that?

Democrats need to counter the POSITIVES of Trump. Yes, positives. His agenda. His message. Ignoring it cost you 2016. Rolling around in the mud with him was a fools errand. It badly addressed half his campaign, and completely ignored the other half.

Trump is filth, but you won't defeat him as filth. It's gotta be more than that. We have got to be something more than that, to the voters.

Americans want filth. So now they choke on it.

 

[crashtech]

I'm wrong re talking about the report.

 

[senseamp]

I don’t agree with it, but I don’t find it extremist or disqualifying.

Perjury is disqualifying, not judicial perspective.

You don't find it extremist to think that ISPs have a 1st amendment right to edit and filter your speech on the internet? OK

 

[crashtech]

You mean despite the fact that revealing the contents of the report is a crime? The FBI investigation was designed as a sham to give Flake political cover for doing what he was going to do anyway. It is a big win for the fascists: they get their boy, they discredit the court, and discredit the FBI all in one move. It's a win for Flake as he is guaranteed post-Senate employment with one rightwing organization or another.

I concede that revealing the contents of the report wasn't an option, but certainly if there was something there worth pursuing, it would have been, unless we have that little faith in each and every member of the committee.

 

[0roo0roo]

For the sake of women everywhere, please stay in your basement.

At no point will "women" have their rights lowered so far that they become equal with men.

Men are forced to become parents against their will all the time, with no escape. The lefts "empathy" as with all things is proven a lie.

Think that one over, but you won't think, and that's the problem.

 

[Victorian Gray]

I disagree. Avenatti deserves all of the blame for diluting the legitimate accusations with his nonsense. Avenatti is who emboldened the GOP to go on offense.

oh lordy