There's no question to any reasonable observer that Kavanaugh was totally unqualified for the position from a personal character standpoint, a truthfulness standpoint, or a tempermental standpoint. Hell, even when he was apologizing for his ludicrous statements in the committee he was being disingenuous, painting them as a product of anger in the moment when they were in fact part of his prepared remarks.
I'm still baffled at the whole "ruining this guy's life" narrative. Like, his options were either to sit on SCOTUS, or be forced to live in a cardboard box under a bridge, living off cat food?
If this whole ordeal isn't Justice Thomas all over again I don't know what is.
The democrats have learned nothing. Using women for their disgusting political ends.
It must be understood that just because I choose to believe Kavanaugh's accusers doesn't mean it's actually true. It's not something that can really be proven. Conservatives have taken the other side of it out of pure team ball enthusiasm, of course, so going on about just convinces them even more that he's the victim.
All the other reasons to reject him are actually much, much stronger. He has misrepresented himself throughout the hearings & his appearances in a fundamental way. Conservatives don't care because he's their guy & that's that. Dishonesty is fine, just so long as they win. I have no idea what they think they've won but we'll find out soon enough.
They are definitely convinced that the standards of proof deserved for the repeated allegations of this man from his victims and friends regarding his rapery (which have, historically, never been consistent or proper with these type of cases) are far, far, far, far greater than they would ever demand for someone named Billary Clinton.
And they know it. They just don't gaf.
How many lives were ruined just by associating with Trump?I'm still baffled at the whole "ruining this guy's life" narrative. Like, his options were either to sit on SCOTUS, or be forced to live in a cardboard box under a bridge, living off cat food?
You didn't "choose" anything, you heard the Democrat talking points gave, them the closed fist salute and acquiesced to them.It must be understood that just because I choose to believe Kavanaugh's accusers doesn't mean it's actually true. It's not something that can really be proven. Conservatives have taken the other side of it out of pure team ball enthusiasm, of course, so going on about just convinces them even more that he's the victim.
All the other reasons to reject him are actually much, much stronger. He has misrepresented himself throughout the hearings & his appearances in a fundamental way. Conservatives don't care because he's their guy & that's that. Dishonesty is fine, just so long as they win. I have no idea what they think they've won but we'll find out soon enough.
He's a Catholic. Thanks for spewing your ignorance though.Supposedly, this privileged WASP rapist coaches a friend of my boss's daughter. Sometimes, this stuff is just much closer than it appears.
This is a pretty common response. Whenever conservatives are doing something they know is wrong and indefensible they accuse liberals of making them do it. Conservatives CHOSE to nominate this person. Conservatives CHOSE to limit the investigations into his conduct. Conservatives CHOSE to confirm him. It is their responsibility and theirs alone. The first step would seem to be that conservatives need to take responsibility for their own actions instead of blaming liberals for everything. You guys are adults that have agency, if you're really saying that liberals doing something mean to you makes you act wildly and uncontrollably unethical then doesn't it stand to reason you aren't fit to hold power?
As for your idea more generally as woolfe mentioned before this basically means that no one who does not immediately report a sexual assault can ever bring an accusation against their assailant, ever, as sexual assaults are nearly always done in private. Does that seem like a smart standard to you?
Man, it's no wonder sexual assault and rape has been a huge problem for so many generations.
Man, it's no wonder it has always been difficult for victims to come forward, especially when their abusers are such high-profile people. Man, is it any wonder that allegations of "YOU SHOULD HAVE TOLD US THEN!" continue to pour out from the mouths of the privileged, simply terrified that they, too, will unfairly have their rapist behaviors exposed before a "not-very-nice public"?
One wonders when the perpetual defenders of rape will ever get tired of using the same, roundly discredited logic when they try to discredit credible victims, if only to protect the entitled powers of abuse that they feel that some day, any day, they will be allowed to execute.
I think the standard of any conviction, or for something to be considered a credible accusation is either evidence, or a pattern of behavior that fits with what we know about the criminology of this type of attacker.
So either they leave evidence, there are eye witnesses, or there is a pattern to the accusations that fit with crimes done by people who were convicted with evidence. Kavanaugh was in a position of power for a very long time, and also coached young females. No recent reports, nothing that can be considered a pattern, there was nothing. What is your opinion on what the standard should be?
It's difficult, but I haven't heard of a better way of handling it.
You didn't "choose" anything, you heard the Democrat talking points gave, them the closed fist salute and acquiesced to them.
Except in this case, the hiring manager dismissed the report and moved forward with the candidate.I’m still trying to imagine what these guys think a job interview actually entails.
Interviewer: we just got a report that you were involved in a sex crime a number of years back.
Pcgeek: innocent until proven guilty!
Interviewer: goodbye.
For temperament and ethics, Kavanaugh is indefensible.
The entire country won, not just me and not just Republicans. We won a chance to get away from progressive judicial activists making decisions they have no right to make. We returned power to the legislature and the President while reducing it to bureaucrats and fringe activists.You poor thing, Taj. Now, tell us what you think you won. Other than delicious liberal tears. And an entitled privileged class right wing frat boy asshole on the SCOTUS. I hope you realize he'll rule in favor of the privileged class every chance he gets, stand on his head & rub his tummy at the same time if it'll make him seem more convincing, too.
For temperament and ethics, Kavanaugh is indefensible.
Wouldn't that basically mean only serial sex criminals would be 'caught'? Seriously, under this standard it seems like basically everyone would get one free rape so long as they didn't immediately report it to the police (and many people do not).
To me the best way of handling it is the way we handle most other things in the world as remember, this isn't a criminal trial. There's no need to establish guilt beyond a reasonable doubt, just that it's more likely to have happened than not. (even that standard is probably too high for a SCOTUS justice but whatever) In this case we have someone who has detailed this accusation going back years, which lends it credibility. While certainly well practiced people can lie during testimony she seemed pretty credible to me and I'm not aware of any pattern of dishonesty in other parts of her life.
Kavanaugh on the other hand was hiding and dissembling the whole time. We know his descriptions of his drinking behavior were at best misleading and at worst outright lies. We know he's testified deceptively about his use of stolen documents previously. He repeatedly (and misleadingly) said all the people supposedly at the party exonerated him, etc. To me it comes down to the fact that he appears to have lied a bunch under oath and it doesn't seem like she has. Therefore she's more credible.
We don't really know what the standard is for confirmation hearings is anymore. I believe the standard for recommending a confirmation used to be examining their qualifications, judgment, and philosophy.
In the words of Bill Maher - "We can have MeToo and Kavanaugh"
Conservatives don't care because he's their guy & that's that. Dishonesty is fine, just so long as they win. I have no idea what they think they've won but we'll find out soon enough.