Do you consider yourself part of the middle class?Moulton - He represents a crop of veteran voices that is providing a much needed perspective to Democrats, and he is willing to challenge the entrenched party establishment.
Bernie Sanders - He represents the European model of democratic socialism, which I respect
Charlie Baker - What Republicans used to look and sound like. He represents my ideal scenario, a competent fiscal conservative that provides responsible governance and leadership.
Also, none of them seem beholden to monied interests, are willing to deviate from the group think dogma of their respective political parties and tend to advocate for the middle class.
Yeh, as if going on about Bork, Thomas & Reid isn't you clutching your pearls. None of it really matters. McConnell & the GOP have a radical right agenda & are entirely eager to implement it any way they can. They impose that agenda on future generations with picks like Kavanaugh & Gorsuch.
What is that agenda other than ruthless top down class warfare against the rest of America hidden under every wedge issue they can find?
No, but I recognize that a strong middle class is what provides for social mobility.Do you consider yourself part of the middle class?
No, but I recognize that a strong middle class is what provides for social mobility.
Yeh, as if going on about him going on isn't you clutching your pearls.
Started as working class, probably upper middle class now depending on where you set the line. Most of the working class people I grew up, all loyal union Democrats, gravitated to Trump, so I find rust belt and blue dog Trumpers relatable even though I disagree with the piep piper they chose to support.You don't? Working class, upper class or Trumper class (no class)?
Yeh, as if going on about him going on isn't you clutching your pearls.
Started as working class, probably upper middle class now depending on where you set the line. Most of the working class people I grew up, all loyal union Democrats, gravitated to Trump, so I find rust belt and blue dog Trumpers relatable even though I disagree with the piep piper they chose to support.
Yep, I anticipate a higher tax bill here shortly. To support democratic socialism, I expect my taxes would look more like they do under the Trump plan regardless. The tragedy of the Trump plan is that there is a tax break for the uber rich.I'd set the upper middle class limit at 5 million a year, anything over that and you're upper class.
I get that people wanted Trump because of what actually transpired during the last recession, but they didn't actually want Trump, they wanted something else. Now they are too fucking boneheaded to admit they were wrong.
So you'd be upper middle class which is still middle class which means you're amongst those that will soon have to pay higher taxes to support those who make ten times what you make a year every month.
I'd set the upper middle class limit at 5 million a year, anything over that and you're upper class.
I get that people wanted Trump because of what actually transpired during the last recession, but they didn't actually want Trump, they wanted something else. Now they are too fucking boneheaded to admit they were wrong.
So you'd be upper middle class which is still middle class which means you're amongst those that will soon have to pay higher taxes to support those who make ten times what you make a year every month.
5 million a year? That’s somewhere around the top 0.001% of income earners.
That is worth exploring for a minute.5 million a year? That’s somewhere around the top 0.001% of income earners.
Yeah, I'd think upper middle class would be like $200K/yr of something like that. That's living pretty well in my small city.5 million a year? That’s somewhere around the top 0.001% of income earners.
That is worth exploring for a minute.
People's perception of what it is to be middle-class, which typically is meant to be "comfortable".
Yeah, I'd think upper middle class would be like $200K/yr of something like that. That's living pretty well in my small city.
5 million a year? That’s somewhere around the top 0.001% of income earners.
Yep, I anticipate a higher tax bill here shortly. To support democratic socialism, I expect my taxes would look more like they do under the Trump plan regardless. The tragedy of the Trump plan is that there is a tax break for the uber rich.
When considering two income households that puts you at making more than about 95% of the US.
If being in the top 5% of incomes is only ‘upper middle class’ doesn’t the term start to lose meaning?
It's the uppermost I would put upper middle class and I'm counting household income.
I'm still upper middle class and there is nothing you can possibly propose that would make me think I'm upper class. I make a lot of money but it's only now that I'm able to pay off the debt I have had to recur to get to this point. I've always been poor until just recently and I'm absolutely not upper class in any shape or form no matter what you may think on the matter.
‘There is nothing you can propose which will change my mind’ is an excellent way to show you’re no longer thinking about a topic logically.
There is certainly a component of wealth and income as to someone’s class but this is a common and relatively silly argument. A newly minted doctor or lawyer may have negative net worth while a fast food worker is neutral but no rational person thinks it’s better to be a fast food worker because their net worth is higher.
Just a concept you might want to familiarize yourself with: others get to define you in many MANY ways.Yeah, that's great an all but I'm still upper middle class and I do get to make the distinction because it's my economy we are discussing. Do you understand how you get to define yourself? Imagine this, I know it's fucking wild to imagine this but just hear me out, I get to define myself too.
I'm never going to be upper class no matter how much money I make, if I so make a trillion dollars a second I'll never be upper class because I'm simply NOT upper class.
Fine, where do you think the Line should be drawn?When considering two income households that puts you at making more than about 95% of the US.
If being in the top 5% of incomes is only ‘upper middle class’ doesn’t the term start to lose meaning?
Fine, where do you think the Line should be drawn?