Kavanaugh SCOTUS Senate Judicial Hearing

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Starbuck1975

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It's as if you're toadying up to the extreme partisanship of the GOP. They want Kavanaugh precisely because he's a right wing ideologue so they're willing to destroy the bipartisan process, withhold documentation & do whatever they can to install him. They don't mind damaging respect for the court in the process. Half the country will never see Gorsuch or Kavanaugh as legitimate. They know it. The fact that they'd accept the appointment under such circumstances tells us that they're unfit to serve.
Take it up with Justice Ginsburg. She had the audacity to blame bothsides for the partisanship.

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2018/09/12/politics/ruth-bader-ginsubrg-supreme-court-hearing/index.html

As for the rest of your post, its just the usual nonsense. The majority party is now able to sidestep the minorty party because of the incompetence and short sightedness of the minority party when they were the majority party. That door swings both ways.
 

Jhhnn

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Take it up with Justice Ginsburg. She had the audacity to blame bothsides for the partisanship.

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2018/09/12/politics/ruth-bader-ginsubrg-supreme-court-hearing/index.html

As for the rest of your post, its just the usual nonsense. The majority party is now able to sidestep the minorty party because of the incompetence and short sightedness of the minority party when they were the majority party. That door swings both ways.

The GOP has the slimmest majority imaginable in the Senate but they don't represent a majority of the voters. Not by a longshot. Neither Gorsuch nor Kavanaugh will ever be regarded as legitimate by over half the population. But you manage to blame Reid for the profound GOP disrespect for what really should be values shared by all Americans. It's shameful the way they've behaved, the way they're trying to tear down the integrity of the SCOTUS & saddle the country with right wing ideologues at the top of the federal judiciary. We need more respect for the SCOTUS & the govt in general, not less.

Not a fucking chance, not when the GOP can bolster their top down class warfare agenda with picks that will do so in a lasting way.
 

fskimospy

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Take it up with Justice Ginsburg. She had the audacity to blame bothsides for the partisanship.

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2018/09/12/politics/ruth-bader-ginsubrg-supreme-court-hearing/index.html

As for the rest of your post, its just the usual nonsense. The majority party is now able to sidestep the minorty party because of the incompetence and short sightedness of the minority party when they were the majority party. That door swings both ways.

I’m genuinely confused as to why you think Reid’s actions were either incompetent or short-sighted.

As we already agreed on before Reid was only violating norms McConnell would not have hesitated to violate now. The idea that McConnell would not have eliminated the filibuster to get these two justices confirmed seems farcical to me.

McConnell was already violating senate norms by blockading all nominees to the DC circuit. Reid made the right call in stripping McConnell of that power because he wasn’t using it responsibly.
 

fskimospy

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Apparently the other guy in the room with kavanaugh wrote a memoir about how much he used to get black out drunk in high school:

https://www.motherjones.com/politic...k-judge-high-school-drunk-allegation-alcohol/

I don’t care how drunk they got, kids in high school and college get hugely drunk all the time and I don’t hold that against them. That’s what kids do.

The real question is if the assault accusation is credible. For that you need at least one contemporary account from someone else. Otherwise it’s impossible to know. Being a drunk asshole when you’re 17 isn’t disqualifying for the Supreme Court. Being a sex offender is.
 

ElFenix

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I don’t care how drunk they got, kids in high school and college get hugely drunk all the time and I don’t hold that against them. That’s what kids do.

The real question is if the assault accusation is credible. For that you need at least one contemporary account from someone else. Otherwise it’s impossible to know. Being a drunk asshole when you’re 17 isn’t disqualifying for the Supreme Court. Being a sex offender is.

"i don't remember that" because i was black out drunk
 

Starbuck1975

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I’m genuinely confused as to why you think Reid’s actions were either incompetent or short-sighted.
He arrogantly believed in the inevitability of an insurmountable blue wall. Reid has drawn a lot of blame for Gorsuch and Kavanaugh, rightfully so.


As we already agreed on before Reid was only violating norms McConnell would not have hesitated to violate now. The idea that McConnell would not have eliminated the filibuster to get these two justices confirmed seems farcical to me.
Reid and McConnell are the two least inspired leaders to ever lead the Senate for their respective parties.

McConnell was already violating senate norms by blockading all nominees to the DC circuit. Reid made the right call in stripping McConnell of that power because he wasn’t using it responsibly.
When you strip the minority party of power, don’t be surprised if they return the favor.
 
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The GOP has the slimmest majority imaginable in the Senate but they don't represent a majority of the voters. Not by a longshot. Neither Gorsuch nor Kavanaugh will ever be regarded as legitimate by over half the population. But you manage to blame Reid for the profound GOP disrespect for what really should be values shared by all Americans. It's shameful the way they've behaved, the way they're trying to tear down the integrity of the SCOTUS & saddle the country with right wing ideologues at the top of the federal judiciary. We need more respect for the SCOTUS & the govt in general, not less.

Not a fucking chance, not when the GOP can bolster their top down class warfare agenda with picks that will do so in a lasting way.

Dipshit.
The Senate doesn't and never has been meant to represent the majority of voters in this country and it was never intended to, it represents the States. Learn how the system works FFS. Your pitiful ignorance is just another indictment of the piss poor education you received at the hands of public school teachers.
 

Jhhnn

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Dipshit.
The Senate doesn't and never has been meant to represent the majority of voters in this country and it was never intended to, it represents the States. Learn how the system works FFS. Your pitiful ignorance is just another indictment of the piss poor education you received at the hands of public school teachers.

We need a SCOTUS that the people can respect & McConnell's methods won't provide that at all. They're not intended to. His contempt for decency & domestic harmony is obvious. It's also obvious in any appointee who accepts those methods.
 
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We need a SCOTUS that the people can respect & McConnell's methods won't provide that at all. They're not intended to. His contempt for decency & domestic harmony is obvious. It's also obvious in any appointee who accepts those methods.
You think that the high tech attempted lynching of Justice Thomas was so much better? I disagree.
 
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We need a SCOTUS that the people can respect & McConnell's methods won't provide that at all. They're not intended to. His contempt for decency & domestic harmony is obvious. It's also obvious in any appointee who accepts those methods.
You think that the nasty and irrational attacks on Judge Bork were so much better even though they actually caused a change in the English language they were so reprehensible?
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/Bork
"to attack or defeat (a nominee or candidate for public office) unfairly through an organized campaign of harsh public criticism or vilification"

Democrats need to climb out of the sewer before they try to smear Republicans.
 

HomerJS

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You think that the nasty and irrational attacks on Judge Bork were so much better even though they actually caused a change in the English language they were so reprehensible?
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/Bork
"to attack or defeat (a nominee or candidate for public office) unfairly through an organized campaign of harsh public criticism or vilification"

Democrats need to climb out of the sewer before they try to smear Republicans.
Bork was a traitor to the Republic. He was the lone stooge in the Sat night massacre
 

Jhhnn

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You think that the nasty and irrational attacks on Judge Bork were so much better even though they actually caused a change in the English language they were so reprehensible?
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/Bork
"to attack or defeat (a nominee or candidate for public office) unfairly through an organized campaign of harsh public criticism or vilification"

Democrats need to climb out of the sewer before they try to smear Republicans.

Poor Bork! So persecuted! He couldn't even get 51 votes, let alone 60. Too extreme.Never mind that Dems have helped to seat several other GOP nominated justices in the meanwhile.
 

fskimospy

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He arrogantly believed in the inevitability of an insurmountable blue wall. Reid has drawn a lot of blame for Gorsuch and Kavanaugh, rightfully so.

No, he didn’t.

Reid and McConnell are the two least inspired leaders to ever lead the Senate for their respective parties.

When you strip the minority party of power, don’t be surprised if they return the favor.

You’re not responding to my point. Republicans were already going to do that so what Reid did didn’t matter.
 

ivwshane

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He arrogantly believed in the inevitability of an insurmountable blue wall. Reid has drawn a lot of blame for Gorsuch and Kavanaugh, rightfully so.


Reid and McConnell are the two least inspired leaders to ever lead the Senate for their respective parties.


When you strip the minority party of power, don’t be surprised if they return the favor.

Stop lying. I already posted a video where a reporter asked about repercussions about Republicans removing the filibuster altogether and Reid said we can't get any lower.
You are a liar and continue to lie.
 

Starbuck1975

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Stop lying. I already posted a video where a reporter asked about repercussions about Republicans removing the filibuster altogether and Reid said we can't get any lower.
You are a liar and continue to lie.
I don’t need to lie. I’ve similarly posted numerous articles where Reid is rightfully held accountable.
 

ivwshane

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I don’t need to lie. I’ve similarly posted numerous articles where Reid is rightfully held accountable.

Go ahead, post one of your numerous articles where Reid states the blue wave will save him from the Republicans removing the filibuster for supreme court nominations.
 

Jhhnn

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I don’t need to lie. I’ve similarly posted numerous articles where Reid is rightfully held accountable.

And it's all bullshit. Reid just gave McConnell an excuse to go further. At no time did he ever propose a simple majority vote for SCOTUS nominees.
 

ivwshane

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And it's all bullshit. Reid just gave McConnell an excuse to go further. At no time did he ever propose a simple majority vote for SCOTUS nominees.

He may have not directly proposed it but he did say that that's what would probably happen and he said this because he believes Congress cannot function with this current level of obstruction. He also understood that it would hurt and benefit both parties at some point.
 

Jhhnn

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He may have not directly proposed it but he did say that that's what would probably happen and he said this because he believes Congress cannot function with this current level of obstruction. He also understood that it would hurt and benefit both parties at some point.

Yes, the GOP has been taking the govt & the common welfare hostage since Gingrich, at least.
 
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umbrella39

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It's almost comical hearing all the But, But, But's the Dems did this and the Dems did that (all bullshit) from the usual suspects here and their flailing in the wind...

Funny little thuds off old, fat chests thumping and small, sweaty palm high fiving!

Fact: The GOP is the one that erased a line in the sand that has been there forever...

Guess what... when the Dems get back and stay back in power for along time to come, they get to draw that line back, it's not going to be in the same place again. Ever I only hope you curmudgeons are still alive shitting your Depends and have some mental faculties left to understand and appreciate it when it goes down...

Tick tock tick tock
 

Starbuck1975

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It's almost comical hearing all the But, But, But's the Dems did this and the Dems did that (all bullshit) from the usual suspects here and their flailing in the wind...
And yet we wouldn’t be having this conversation were it not true. Flailing indeed.

Fact: The GOP is the one that erased a line in the sand that has been there forever...

Guess what... when the Dems get back and stay back in power for along time to come, they get to draw that line back, it's not going to be in the same place again. Ever I only hope you curmudgeons are still alive shitting your Depends and have some mental faculties left to understand and appreciate it when it goes down...

Tick tock tick tock
Been hearing this for decades. Even FDR couldn’t pull off stacking the courts. When the Dems are in power again, they will inevitably over reac, and the pendulum swings the other way.

Fact. The Democrats and Republicans pissed on that line in the sand, to dismay of even Ginsburg.

Go ahead, post one of your numerous articles where Reid states the blue wave will save him from the Republicans removing the filibuster for supreme court nominations.
That’s not what I said. I said I’ve posted numerous articles that share my opinion in assigning some of the blame to Reid for eliminating the protections of the minority party.

My assertion and opinion is that he made this strategic blunder from a position of arrogance based on the assumption of inevitability.
 
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