Kavanaugh SCOTUS Senate Judicial Hearing

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Starbuck1975

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LOL, the Republicans made damn sure nothing of substance was raised at the "hearings". Now we are starting to see why the Republicans are in such a hurry to ram Kavanough through.
Feinstein was sitting on this. Was it not her responsibility to raise this as something of substance?
 

Starbuck1975

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He’s not on trial for a crime, we are looking to evaluate if he is fit for a lifetime appointment to an unreviewable court. He has no right to confirmation, he only gets it after all the information is reviewed. If we have to wait days or months to get that information so be it.

Also, Bork had no right to confirmation either. His rejection was entirely appropriate.
Why didn’t Feinstein release the information during the hearings? Seemed appropriate and relevant to a lifetime appointment to an unreviewable court.
 

ivwshane

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Why didn’t Feinstein release the information during the hearings? Seemed appropriate and relevant to a lifetime appointment to an unreviewable court.

We don't know, why don't you tell us since you seem to be in the know.

Oh you don't know either and are making assumptions to fit your narrative. How convenient, liar.
 
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Jaskalas

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I remember being in high school and realizing what a horrible violation of another person's sense of integrity it would be if I were to force myself on them for my own sexual satisfaction.

You know many teens who are shit faced drunk, and respecting people's boundaries, or considering philosophy?
 

fskimospy

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Why didn’t Feinstein release the information during the hearings? Seemed appropriate and relevant to a lifetime appointment to an unreviewable court.

I have no idea and I frankly don’t care. It’s quite clear the republicans knew of the accusation as well so they could have cleared it up then too and chose not to.

The only thing that matters is if it is credible. It is. Therefore we need to get to the bottom of this. It’s not about Feinstein, it’s about Kavanaugh.
 
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UNCjigga

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I still don't know what to think of all this...I believe the accuser wholeheartedly, but I also think there's something wrong with the manner these allegations came to light. And I honestly don't know if you can judge someone in their 50s by an incident like this that happened in high school. You can certainly judge them for lying about it though, which is why an allegation made in July should've been vetted by WH lawyers/FBI before the hearings started.

At this point, all I know for sure is that this woman is showing a lot more courage now than the anonymous op-ed writer "protecting us" from Trump.
 

Starbuck1975

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I have no idea and I frankly don’t care. It’s quite clear the republicans knew of the accusation as well so they could have cleared it up then too and chose not to.

The only thing that matters is if it is credible. It is. Therefore we need to get to the bottom of this. It’s not about Feinstein, it’s about Kavanaugh.
Feinstein is a member of the Senate Judiciary Committee. It was her job and responsibility to get to the bottom of it when the accusations first surfaced and to raise these concerns as part of the hearings that exist for the sole purpose of evaluating a SCOTUS nominee. Her decision not to is relevant to the discussion.
 

IronWing

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Feinstein is a member of the Senate Judiciary Committee. It was her job and responsibility to get to the bottom of it when the accusations first surfaced and to raise these concerns as part of the hearings that exist for the sole purpose of evaluating a SCOTUS nominee. Her decision not to is relevant to the discussion.
Meanwhile back to Kavanaugh… this is a thread about Kavanough after all. So tell us what is lurking in the 100k pages of documents associated with Kavanaugh's time working with the war criminals of the Bush administration. Why don't Republicans want the American people to see what Kavanaugh had to say about torture and other war crimes?
 

Jhhnn

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Meanwhile back to Kavanaugh… this is a thread about Kavanough after all. So tell us what is lurking in the 100k pages of documents associated with Kavanaugh's time working with the war criminals of the Bush administration. Why don't Republicans want the American people to see what Kavanaugh had to say about torture and other war crimes?

He's Gish galloping from one whataboutism to another...
 

Starbuck1975

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Meanwhile back to Kavanaugh… this is a thread about Kavanough after all. So tell us what is lurking in the 100k pages of documents associated with Kavanaugh's time working with the war criminals of the Bush administration. Why don't Republicans want the American people to see what Kavanaugh had to say about torture and other war crimes?
I said earlier in the thread that the perjury charges at the very least should delay the vote.
 

Moonbeam

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You know many teens who are shit faced drunk, and respecting people's boundaries, or considering philosophy?
I know of one and by the way, I was never shit faced drunk in high school. Philosophically and morally, it looked to be a bad idea. I know where you are going with this so let me just say that being philosophically and morally superior to others and at a young age, didn't come without sacrifice. I'm quite sure getting drunk off your ass as a young person and holding down girls on a bed groping them unwilling must be a real blast if you can just put out of your mind the moral corruption of your actions. Just imagine a father walking in on that. I can just imagine the sudden onset of remorse as ones philosophical and moral weakness become suddenly self-evident as the consequences suddenly stand before you. So I know the game, you're not supposed to say you're a morally superior being, and you're not suppose to be a hypocrite and judge others. Well let me tell you I know something about moral shame and the fact that I am and have long been morally superior to others is just one of those crosses I bear. That and a few dollars will get me a cup of coffee. Sorry, but the ego my moral superiority is supposed to inflate just doesn't seem to be there. It was one of those things that my merciless moral self examination destroyed along with everything else I held sacred. That I am who I am I regard as a complete accident. I was philosophically and morally programmed. I was lucky.
 

Moonbeam

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I said earlier in the thread that the perjury charges at the very least should delay the vote.
Good, but not far enough. We need to know what facts can be substantiated about this attempted rape and if they tell us anything about his character worth considering for the position he seeks. It happened or it didn't and it is important or it isn't if it did. These are judgments that Senators are required to make to advise and consent properly, I think.
 

wiyakpa

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Feinstein is a member of the Senate Judiciary Committee. It was her job and responsibility to get to the bottom of it when the accusations first surfaced and to raise these concerns as part of the hearings that exist for the sole purpose of evaluating a SCOTUS nominee. Her decision not to is relevant to the discussion.
But she shouldn't be on the committee for there should be an investigation on her and a Chinese spy she employed for over 20yrs

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Starbuck1975

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Good, but not far enough. We need to know what facts can be substantiated about this attempted rape and if they tell us anything about his character worth considering for the position he seeks. It happened or it didn't and it is important or it isn't if it did. These are judgments that Senators are required to make to advise and consent properly, I think.
We’ve certainly learned a great deal about the character of the Senators on the Judiciary Committee, not that it matters of course.

In today’s political climate there will be no fair substantation, it will just be a long drawn out and ugly knife fight

Kavanaugh should withdraw and a new nominee brought forward.
 
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IronWing

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This is the Clarence Thomas fiasco all over again. The Republicans don't give a damn about decency, they just want another pet Justice. If the candidate is compromised, all the better to keep him on a leash later.
 
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She doesn't even remember where or what year it happened, but knows it's a Supreme Court Nominee.

From the WaPo article:

Earlier this summer, Christine Blasey Ford wrote a confidential letter to a senior Democratic lawmaker alleging that Supreme Court nominee Brett M. Kavanaugh sexually assaulted her more than three decades ago, when they were high school students in suburban Maryland. Since Wednesday, she has watched as that bare-bones version of her story became public without her name or her consent, drawing a blanket denial from Kavanaugh and roiling a nomination that just days ago seemed all but certain to succeed.

Now, Ford has decided that if her story is going to be told, she wants to be the one to tell it.

Speaking publicly for the first time, Ford said that one summer in the early 1980s, Kavanaugh and a friend — both “stumbling drunk,” Ford alleges — corralled her into a bedroom during a gathering of teenagers at a house in Montgomery County..

While his friend watched, she said, Kavanaugh pinned her to a bed on her back and groped her over her clothes, grinding his body against hers and clumsily attempting to pull off her one-piece bathing suit and the clothing she wore over it. When she tried to scream, she said, he put his hand over her mouth.

“I thought he might inadvertently kill me,” said Ford, now a 51-year-old research psychologist in northern California. “He was trying to attack me and remove my clothing.”


Ford said she was able to escape when Kavanaugh’s friend and classmate at Georgetown Preparatory School, Mark Judge, jumped on top of them, sending all three tumbling. She said she ran from the room, briefly locked herself in a bathroom and then fled the house.

Ford said she told no one of the incident in any detail until 2012, when she was in couples therapy with her husband. The therapist’s notes, portions of which were provided by Ford and reviewed by The Washington Post, do not mention Kavanaugh’s name but say she reported that she was attacked by students “from an elitist boys’ school” who went on to become “highly respected and high-ranking members of society in Washington.” The notes say four boys were involved, a discrepancy Ford says was an error on the therapist’s part. Ford said there were four boys at the party but only two in the room.

Notes from an individual therapy session the following year, when she was being treated for what she says have been long-term effects of the incident, show Ford described a “rape attempt” in her late teens.

In an interview, her husband, Russell Ford, said that in the 2012 sessions, she recounted being trapped in a room with two drunken boys, one of whom pinned her to a bed, molested her and prevented her from screaming. He said he recalled that his wife used Kavanaugh’s last name and voiced concern that Kavanaugh — then a federal judge — might one day be nominated to the Supreme Court.

On Sunday, the White House sent The Post a statement Kavanaugh issued last week, when the outlines of Ford’s account first became public: “I categorically and unequivocally deny this allegation. I did not do this back in high school or at any time.”

Through a White House spokesman, Kavanaugh declined to comment further on Ford’s allegation and did not respond to questions about whether he knew her during high school. The White House had no additional comment.

Judge did not respond to emails seeking comment, and efforts to locate a phone number or address for him were unsuccessful. In an interview Friday with The Weekly Standard, before Ford’s name was known, he denied that any such incident occurred. “It’s just absolutely nuts. I never saw Brett act that way,” Judge said. He told the New York Times that Kavanaugh was a “brilliant student” who loved sports and was not “into anything crazy or illegal.”

Christine Ford is a professor at Palo Alto University who teaches in a consortium with Stanford University, training graduate students in clinical psychology. Her work has been widely published in academic journals.

She contacted The Post through a tip line in early July, when it had become clear that Kavanaugh was on the shortlist of possible nominees to replace retiring justice Anthony M. Kennedy but before Trump announced his name publicly. A registered Democrat who has made small contributions to political organizations, she contacted her congresswoman, Democrat Anna G. Eshoo, around the same time. In late July, she sent a letter via Eshoo’s office to Sen. Dianne Feinstein of California, the ranking Democrat on the Judiciary Committee.

In the letter, which was read to The Post, Ford described the incident and said she expected her story to be kept confidential. She signed the letter as Christine Blasey, the name she uses professionally.

For weeks, Ford declined to speak to The Post on the record as she grappled with concerns about what going public would mean for her and her family — and what she said was her duty as a citizen to tell the story.

She engaged Debra Katz, a Washington lawyer known for her work on sexual harassment cases. On the advice of Katz, who believed Ford would be attacked as a liar if she came forward, Ford took a polygraph test administered by a former FBI agent in early August. The results, which Katz provided to The Post, concluded that Ford was being truthful when she said a statement summarizing her allegations was accurate.

By late August, Ford had decided not to come forward, calculating that doing so would upend her life and probably would not affect Kavanaugh’s confirmation. “Why suffer through the annihilation if it’s not going to matter?” she said.

Her story leaked anyway. On Wednesday, The Intercept reported that Feinstein had a letter describing an incident involving Kavanaugh and a woman while they were in high school, and that Feinstein was refusing to share it with her Democratic colleagues.

Feinstein soon released a statement: “I have received information from an individual concerning the nomination of Brett Kavanaugh to the Supreme Court,” she wrote. “That individual strongly requested confidentiality, declined to come forward or press the matter further, and I have honored that decision. I have, however, referred the matter to federal investigative authorities.”

The FBI received a version of the letter with Ford’s name redacted, according to a Republican official with knowledge of the letter, and then sent it to the White House to be included in Kavanaugh’s background file. The White House sent it to the Senate Judiciary Committee, making it available to all senators.

As pressure grew, the New York Times reported that the incident involved “possible sexual misconduct.”

By then, Ford had begun to fear she would be exposed, particularly after a BuzzFeed reporter visited her at her home and tried to speak to her as she was leaving a classroom where she teaches graduate students. Another reporter called her colleagues to ask about her.

On Friday, the New Yorker reported the letter’s contents but did not reveal Ford’s identity. Soon after, Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Charles E. Grassley (R-Iowa) released a letter from 65 women who say they knew Kavanaugh when he attended high school from 1979 to 1983 at Georgetown Prep, an all-boys school in North Bethesda.

“Through the more than 35 years we have known him, Brett has stood out for his friendship, character, and integrity,” the women wrote. “In particular, he has always treated women with decency and respect. That was true when he was in high school, and it has remained true to this day.”

As the story snowballed, Ford said, she heard people repeating inaccuracies about her and, with the visits from reporters, felt her privacy being chipped away. Her calculation changed.

“These are all the ills that I was trying to avoid,” she said, explaining her decision to come forward. “Now I feel like my civic responsibility is outweighing my anguish and terror about retaliation.”

Katz said she believes Feinstein honored Ford’s request to keep her allegation confidential, but “regrettably others did not.”

“Victims must have the right to decide whether to come forward, especially in a political environment that is as ruthless as this one,” Katz said. “She will now face vicious attacks by those who support this nominee.”

After so many years, Ford said she does not remember some key details of the incident. She said she believes it occurred in the summer of 1982, when she was 15, around the end of her sophomore year at the all-girls Holton-Arms School in Bethesda. Kavanaugh would have been 17 at the end of his junior year at Georgetown Prep.

At the time, Ford said, she knew Kavanaugh and Judge as “friendly acquaintances” in the private-school social circles of suburban Maryland. Her Holton-Arms friends mostly hung out with boys from the Landon School, she said, but for a period of several months socialized regularly with students from Georgetown Prep.

Ford said she does not remember how the gathering came together the night of the incident. She said she often spent time in the summer at the Columbia Country Club pool in Chevy Chase, where in those pre-cellphone days, teenagers learned about gatherings via word of mouth. She also doesn’t recall who owned the house or how she got there.

Ford said she remembers that it was in Montgomery County, not far from the country club, and that no parents were home at the time. Ford named two other teenagers who she said were at the party. Those individuals did not respond to messages on Sunday morning.

She said she recalls a small family room where she and a handful of others drank beer together that night. She said that each person had one beer but that Kavanaugh and Judge had started drinking earlier and were heavily intoxicated.

In his senior-class yearbook entry at Georgetown Prep, Kavanaugh made several references to drinking, claiming membership to the “Beach Week Ralph Club” and “Keg City Club.” He and Judge are pictured together at the beach in a photo in the yearbook.

Judge is a filmmaker and author who has written for the Daily Caller, The Weekly Standard and The Washington Post. He chronicled his recovery from alcoholism in “Wasted: Tales of a Gen-X Drunk,” which described his own black-out drinking and a culture of partying among students at his high school, renamed in the book “Loyola Prep.” Kavanaugh is not mentioned in the book, but a passage about partying at the beach one summer makes glancing reference to a “Bart O’Kavanaugh,” who “puked in someone’s car the other night” and “passed out on his way back from a party.”

Through the White House, Kavanaugh did not respond to a question about whether the name was a pseudonym for him.

Ford said she left the family room to use the bathroom, which was at the top of a narrow stairway. She doesn’t remember whether Kavanaugh and Judge were behind her or already upstairs, but she remembers being pushed into a bedroom and then onto a bed. Rock-and-roll music was playing with the volume turned up high, she said.

She alleges that Kavanaugh — who played football and basketball at Georgetown Prep — held her down with the weight of his body and fumbled with her clothes, seemingly hindered by his intoxication. Judge stood across the room, she said, and both boys were laughing “maniacally.” She said she yelled, hoping that someone downstairs would hear her over the music, and Kavanaugh clapped his hand over her mouth to silence her.

At one point, she said, Judge jumped on top of them, and she tried unsuccessfully to wriggle free. Then Judge jumped on them again, toppling them, and she broke away, she said.

She said she locked herself in the bathroom and listened until she heard the boys “going down the stairs, hitting the walls.” She said that after five or ten minutes, she unlocked the door and made her way through the living room and outside. She isn’t sure how she got home.

Ford said she has not spoken with Kavanaugh since that night. And she told no one at the time what had happened to her. She was terrified, she said, that she would be in trouble if her parents realized she had been at a party where teenagers were drinking, and she worried they might figure it out even if she did not tell them.

“My biggest fear was, do I look like someone just attacked me?” she said. She said she recalled thinking: “I’m not ever telling anyone this. This is nothing, it didn’t happen, and he didn’t rape me.”

Years later, after going through psychotherapy, Ford said, she came to understand the incident as a trauma with lasting impact on her life.

“I think it derailed me substantially for four or five years,” she said. She said she struggled academically and socially and was unable to have healthy relationships with men. “I was very ill-equipped to forge those kinds of relationships.”

She also said she believes that in the longer term, it contributed to anxiety and post-traumatic stress disorder symptoms with which she has struggled.

She married her husband in 2002. Early in their relationship, she told him she had been a victim of physical abuse, he said. A decade later, he learned the details of that alleged abuse when the therapist asked her to tell the story, he said.

He said he expects that some people, upon hearing his wife’s account, will believe that Kavanaugh’s high school behavior has no bearing upon his fitness for the nation’s high court. He disagrees.

“I think you look to judges to be the arbiters of right and wrong,” Russell Ford said. “If they don’t have a moral code of their own to determine right from wrong, then that’s a problem. So I think it’s relevant. Supreme Court nominees should be held to a higher standard.”
 
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So you think she’s been laying the groundwork for this false accusation since 2012? That’s quite a plan.

This accusation should be credible to any reasonable person. Doesn’t mean it’s true, but there’s no reason to dismiss it.
She didn't name him in 2012, but nice lie.
 
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Feinstein was sitting on this. Was it not her responsibility to raise this as something of substance?

The woman decided in August that she didn't wish to pursue the issue.

"By late August, Ford had decided not to come forward, calculating that doing so would upend her life and probably would not affect Kavanaugh’s confirmation. “Why suffer through the annihilation if it’s not going to matter?” she said.

Her story leaked anyway. On Wednesday, the Intercept reported that Feinstein had a letter describing an incident involving Kavanaugh and a woman while they were in high school and that Feinstein was refusing to share it with her Democratic colleagues.

Feinstein soon released a statement: “I have received information from an individual concerning the nomination of Brett Kavanaugh to the Supreme Court,” she wrote. “That individual strongly requested confidentiality, declined to come forward or press the matter further, and I have honored that decision. I have, however, referred the matter to federal investigative authorities.”

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