Kavanaugh SCOTUS Senate Judicial Hearing

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ivwshane

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Orrin Hatch talked to Kavanaugh and says that he is "honest and straightforward" and that Ford might be "mixed up".

Amazing insight from the dude that called Rob Porter a decent man and lambasted the press for even reporting on the allegation against him. Also that the Roy Moore allegations were from "decades ago".

Going well so far guys.

He's also the piece of shit who accused Anita hill of making up her claims by using scenes from the book, the exorcist. Chuck Grassley was also on that committee and apart of that hearing.
 
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jackstar7

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My inclination is to tell old accusations to !@#$ off. Particularly given the political implications, such things are FAR too important for political power in this nation. Think of the consequences. Delayed vote, he's rejected. New Congress, Dem controlled. No more Republican nominations for SCOTUS.

Now there may be a window in December to get one passed. But after Garland? Naw, this is it. Trump gets Kavanaugh or he gets no one.

Having said that, her making even vague accusations 6 years ago adds credence to the notion that her side of this (may) not be politically motivated. Or, even if it is... she still may be telling the truth, or at least her version of it. TL;DR, it adds some credibility. But where should that leads us?

What should we do with this story?
Maybe people should live knowing that their sexual assaults will haunt them in their adult life (when not addressed appropriately in their youth).
 

ivwshane

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Maybe people should live knowing that their sexual assaults will haunt them in their adult life (when not addressed appropriately in their youth).

In my world that explains why Clarence Thomas asks so few questions when he hears a case, because he knows he doesn't deserve to be on the bench and that everything Anita hill said about him was true.

Its what I like to think anyways.
 
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Paratus

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One point I haven’t seen anyone else make is there’s a significant non-zero chance of other women making accusations against Kavanaugh. We’ve seen that in almost every sexual harassment/assualt case against a politician or famous person.

I expect that Kavanaugh (guilty or innocent) and the Republicans will have to make it so obviously uncomfortable and detrimental to Ford that no one else will want to risk making a public accusation (true or false).
 
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Muse

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Maybe people should live knowing that their sexual assaults will haunt them in their adult life (when not addressed appropriately in their youth).
And why not? I've never assaulted anyone... from day one.
 

Muse

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I expect that Kavanaugh (guilty or innocent) and the Republicans will have to make it so obviously uncomfortable and detrimental to Ford that no one else will want to risk making a public accusation (true or false).
Some women are brave, courageous. Some men, too.
 
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Bitek

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One point I haven’t seen anyone else make is there’s a significant non-zero chance of other women making accusations against Kavanaugh. We’ve seen that in almost every sexual harassment/assualt case against a politician or famous person.

I expect that Kavanaugh (guilty or innocent) and the Republicans will have to make it so obviously uncomfortable and detrimental to Ford that no one else will want to risk making a public accusation (true or false).

Wouldn't be that much of a shock.

Puts his time clerking for that judge who showed porn in his chambers and had a huge dirty email distribution list in even worse light.

Kav denied he knew anything about that either. I mean, everyone else did, judge resigned in disgrace, but somehow none of that ever reached choir boy's virgin ears...
 

FIVR

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Kavanaugh just looks slimy. And i don't mean figuratively, he literally looks covered in a thin glaze of slime all over. His pockmarked light pink skin glistens and reflects the lights while his beady little eyes look glazed over. He is a porkulus.

If I were republican would ask McConnel to move to nominate a judge that didn't look like a large swine. Bonus if he/she hasn't raped anybody recently.
 
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Indus

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If I were republican would ask McConnel to move to nominate a judge that didn't look like a large swine. Bonus if he/she hasn't raped anybody till he actually got confirmed or didn't leave anyone alive to be a witness like our fine policemen, border security personnel.

FTFY
 

Lanyap

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One point I haven’t seen anyone else make is there’s a significant non-zero chance of other women making accusations against Kavanaugh. We’ve seen that in almost every sexual harassment/assualt case against a politician or famous person.


Except that he was a drunk high schooler when this allegedly occurred and not a politician or famous person at the time.
 
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Except that he was a drunk high schooler when this allegedly occurred and not a politician or famous person at the time.
I don't think he was involved. Hopefully some serious cross questioning of his accuser will help to pinpoint where and when the alleged incident occurred. It may even be possible to find additional witnesses or people that were there. I'm happy to see them both testify under oath in an open hearing and the full power of investigative services looking into the accusation.
 

ivwshane

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I don't think he was involved. Hopefully some serious cross questioning of his accuser will help to pinpoint where and when the alleged incident occurred. It may even be possible to find additional witnesses or people that were there. I'm happy to see them both testify under oath in an open hearing and the full power of investigative services looking into the accusation.

You don't think he's involved? Is this based on your gut that is never wrong? Or did you have some sort of evidence and logical/factual reasoning for making such a declaration?

Personally, I think bret's history in the bush white house is reason enough to disqualify him along with lying under oath. The fact that he's a federalist society member and was picked by them also lends suspect to his ability to reason objectively.
 
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HomerJS

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FBI has not investigated this because circumstances dictate that request needs to come from the White House. Needs to be granted immediately. Also since Trump was so gung ho on lie detector tests Kavanaugh needs to submit to one. Their results added to the list of evidence.

Its possible BK was so blackout drunk he doesn't remember what he did. Questions concerning his drinking will be interesting.
 
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Starbuck1975

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Did we discuss Ford's time travel from 2012 to 2018 allowing her to preview Kavanaugh's nomination so she could plant the story with her therapist and husband??
The therapist notes make mention of an assault at a party but do not name Kavanaugh as the assailant.

Kavanaugh is someone she supposedly mentioned to her husband, but how do you prove that?

Ford wanted to remain anonymous, but that changed once her letter leaked and the press started closing in on her. She had no choice but to come forward at that point.

Doesn’t matter. Everyone gets to tell their story under oath. Kavanaugh survives or he doesn’t.

My guess is he will withdraw.
 

Perknose

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Perknose

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I Believe Her
When I was in high school, I faced my own Brett Kavanaugh.

This woman's story really touched me. I believe it to be relevant to this discussion. I would hope that every poster here who just thinks "boys will be boys" would read it and reflect. Of course, I also want a pony for Christmas, so I won't be holding my breath here.

An excerpt:

"I told no one [about the attempted date rape.] In my mind, it was not an example of male aggression used against a girl to extract sex from her. In my mind, it was an example of how undesirable I was. It was proof that I was not the kind of girl you took to parties, or the kind of girl you wanted to get to know. I was the kind of girl you took to a deserted parking lot and tried to make give you sex. Telling someone would not be revealing what he had done; it would be revealing how deserving I was of that kind of treatment.

[...]

One morning, while ringing up a sale, I saw in my peripheral vision that someone was approaching the register. When I finished the sale, he was gone. A few minutes later, I saw him coming back; it was the boy who’d tried to rape me. He had tears in his eyes, and he seemed almost overwrought. And right there—in the A&S department store in the Smith Haven Mall—he apologized profusely.


“It’s okay, it’s okay,” I kept saying to him. “I forgive you, don’t worry.” It was a weird ambush of intense guilt and apology, and it was the wrong place and time—but the thing was, I really did forgive him. My life had moved on, and things were better. It felt good to get the apology and—as it always does—even better to forgive him. He’d done a terrible thing, but he’d done what he could to make it right. I held nothing against him, and I still don’t.

But if Ford’s story is true, Brett Kavanaugh never apologized. He never tried to make amends, never took responsibility for what he did. In my case, the near-rape—as awful as it was at the time and in its immediate aftermath—didn’t cause any lasting damage. But by Ford’s account, Kavanaugh’s acts did cause lasting damage, and he has done nothing at all to try to make that right. And that is why the mistake of a 17-year-old kid still matters. The least we should do is put this confirmation on hold until we can learn more about what happened. If it’s not true, Kavanaugh should be confirmed without a cloud of suspicion. If it is true, we’ll have to decide whether you get to attack a girl, show no remorse, and eventually become a Supreme Court justice. My own inclination is: No."
 

HomerJS

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The therapist notes make mention of an assault at a party but do not name Kavanaugh as the assailant.

Kavanaugh is someone she supposedly mentioned to her husband, but how do you prove that?

Ford wanted to remain anonymous, but that changed once her letter leaked and the press started closing in on her. She had no choice but to come forward at that point.

Doesn’t matter. Everyone gets to tell their story under oath. Kavanaugh survives or he doesn’t.

My guess is he will withdraw.
Its a credibility test based on weight of evidence. That's why it needs to be fully investigated.
 

K1052

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The therapist notes make mention of an assault at a party but do not name Kavanaugh as the assailant.

Kavanaugh is someone she supposedly mentioned to her husband, but how do you prove that?

Ford wanted to remain anonymous, but that changed once her letter leaked and the press started closing in on her. She had no choice but to come forward at that point.

Doesn’t matter. Everyone gets to tell their story under oath. Kavanaugh survives or he doesn’t.

My guess is he will withdraw.

Reportedly she told some friends in 2017 that the person in question was a federal judge.

I think the Kavanaugh nomination is done personally. Going ahead with the hearing looks like political suicide for the GOP.
 
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