Kavanaugh SCOTUS Senate Judicial Hearing

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Blackjack200

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Legal innocence has nothing to do with this. If anything, the exact opposite applies here. People should only be confirmed if we have very, very high confidence in their moral character. In this case it looks at least reasonably likely that Kavanaugh is a sex criminal. That doesn't cross the 'very very high' bar for me.

He has the magic R after his name so I'm sure it does for you, but you're not an honest broker so who cares what you think?

I mean, who better for a lifetime appointment of stripping women of their reproductive rights? If anything, this should burnish his qualifications.
 

Jaskalas

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Legal innocence has nothing to do with this. If anything, the exact opposite applies here. People should only be confirmed if we have very, very high confidence in their moral character. In this case it looks at least reasonably likely that Kavanaugh is a sex criminal. That doesn't cross the 'very very high' bar for me.

35+ years ago, a minor who was likely drunk, but still had enough sense to stop before... going too far?
I don't know, how much of an assault was it? We don't appear to know how bad it was.

And if this is the standard we should expect accusations for anyone seeking office. If that's all it takes to tip the balance of power in this nation, then you know that's what people will do to fight for it. Even if her account is accurate, there will be another nomination and another accuser. At what point have we violated due process by ending people without evidence?
 

fleshconsumed

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35+ years ago, a minor who was likely drunk, but still had enough sense to stop before... going too far?
I don't know, how much of an assault was it? We don't appear to know how bad it was.

And if this is the standard we should expect accusations for anyone seeking office. If that's all it takes to tip the balance of power in this nation, then you know that's what people will do to fight for it. Even if her account is accurate, there will be another nomination and another accuser. At what point have we violated due process by ending people without evidence?
Her testimony is evidence. Records of her talking to her therapist about the attempted rape is evidence. There is evidence. Perhaps the question you're asking is how much evidence is necessary to axe a nomination, but you cannot in all the seriousness say there is no evidence.
 

fskimospy

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35+ years ago, a minor who was likely drunk, but still had enough sense to stop before... going too far?
I don't know, how much of an assault was it? We don't appear to know how bad it was.

We have evidence of it being pretty bad, the statement of the alleged victim.

And if this is the standard we should expect accusations for anyone seeking office. If that's all it takes to tip the balance of power in this nation, then you know that's what people will do to fight for it. Even if her account is accurate, there will be another nomination and another accuser. At what point have we violated due process by ending people without evidence?

I feel strongly that we as a society can find plenty of people who are not credibly accused sex criminals. There is no due process for a nomination to a federal job. That doesn't exist.
 
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Legal innocence has nothing to do with this. If anything, the exact opposite applies here. People should only be confirmed if we have very, very high confidence in their moral character. In this case it looks at least reasonably likely that Kavanaugh is a sex criminal. That doesn't cross the 'very very high' bar for me.

He has the magic R after his name so I'm sure it does for you, but you're not an honest broker so who cares what you think?

The fact that there is even a remotely valid question about him being a sex criminal...I guess I don't understand how you can't find someone that has similar legal credits but can also pass that hurdle. Let alone the litany of other ones (like being dishonest). We know why, but that some of the conservatives are still trying to pretend is absurdity on the level that they can't even see how lost their cause really is. But they want to lecture people on morals.

Reminds me of the local water company that has been embroiled with a lot of issues, sending out a newsletter where they go "we weren't doing anything wrong its all lies and we're being totally supportive, but this is why we don't support the oversight they're trying to force on us". Its like, that they don't realize that there's even questions about that stuff shows exactly why they need significant oversight and that them trying to defend themselves just actually shows that they're completely out of touch.
 

Maxima1

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35+ years ago, a minor who was likely drunk

Being drunk is an inane excuse.

but still had enough sense to stop before... going too far?
I don't know, how much of an assault was it? We don't appear to know how bad it was.

Huh? Mark Judge jumped on them, which made them fall off the bed and then she escaped.
 

blackangst1

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Her testimony is evidence. Records of her talking to her therapist about the attempted rape is evidence. There is evidence. Perhaps the question you're asking is how much evidence is necessary to axe a nomination, but you cannot in all the seriousness say there is no evidence.

Oh, the therapy sessions where no names were given in 2012? Those you mean?
 

ch33zw1z

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35+ years ago, a minor who was likely drunk, but still had enough sense to stop before... going too far?
I don't know, how much of an assault was it? We don't appear to know how bad it was.

And if this is the standard we should expect accusations for anyone seeking office. If that's all it takes to tip the balance of power in this nation, then you know that's what people will do to fight for it. Even if her account is accurate, there will be another nomination and another accuser. At what point have we violated due process by ending people without evidence?

Reality TV president, reality TV government, who knew?
 

Starbuck1975

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I feel strongly that we as a society can find plenty of people who are not credibly accused sex criminals. There is no due process for a nomination to a federal job. That doesn't exist.
And yet at least two credibly accused sex criminals have occupied the White House in my lifetime. This seems like a tribalistic standard only applied when politically opportunistic.
 

Bitek

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35+ years ago, a minor who was likely drunk, but still had enough sense to stop before... going too far?
I don't know, how much of an assault was it? We don't appear to know how bad it was.

And if this is the standard we should expect accusations for anyone seeking office. If that's all it takes to tip the balance of power in this nation, then you know that's what people will do to fight for it. Even if her account is accurate, there will be another nomination and another accuser. At what point have we violated due process by ending people without evidence?

1. Being drunk is never an excuse. Not sure why this even needs to be said.

2. "Enough" of an assault that the woman is in therapy taking about it 35 years later

3. Yes, there are standards of character required, especially for a lifetime appointment to such a powerful position.

Al Franken was forced from the Senate, an elected office, for accusations of grabby hands and an inappropriate picture.

This is far more serious charge for a position that had no electoral recourse.
 
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Jaskalas

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Her testimony is evidence. Records of her talking to her therapist about the attempted rape is evidence. There is evidence. Perhaps the question you're asking is how much evidence is necessary to axe a nomination, but you cannot in all the seriousness say there is no evidence.

To me, an accusation is not evidence. There is nothing to substantiate the claim.
 

Atreus21

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Mark Judge, Key Witness To Alleged Brett Kavanaugh Assault, Refuses To Testify

Mark Judge, the man who Christine Blasey Ford has said was in the room while Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh allegedly assaulted her when they were in high school, has declined to speak before the Senate Judiciary Committee.

I'm not sure I'd want to be involved in this inevitable political circus either.

“In fact, I have no memory of this alleged incident,” he added. “Brett Kavanaugh and I were friends in high school but I do not recall the party described in Ford’s letter. More to the point, I never saw Brett act in the matter Dr. Ford describes.”
 
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35+ years ago, a minor who was likely drunk, but still had enough sense to stop before... going too far?
I don't know, how much of an assault was it? We don't appear to know how bad it was.

And if this is the standard we should expect accusations for anyone seeking office. If that's all it takes to tip the balance of power in this nation, then you know that's what people will do to fight for it. Even if her account is accurate, there will be another nomination and another accuser. At what point have we violated due process by ending people without evidence?

Ok, so you're arguing that her being drunk then nullifies it? So if he raped her, and they were drunk it didn't happen? I don't know if you realize how truly fucking stupid your argument is.

Ah, yes, well he didn't full on rape her, so its all good? Plus she was drunk so she was asking for it! And she was wearing a bathing suit, that fucking hussy. I bet she said yes yes yes yes, and then was like...maybe? And then she just regretted it later. Let's see what other rape enabling bullshit arguments can you add?

Uh, are you fucking joking? "If someone being accused of something horrible can get them disqualified from being one of a very select few for that position, then oh my god, what has happened to our country?" Granted I guess you feel enabled because you were able to get one in as President so you're probably wondering why sexual assault would matter at all for any position.

What? What the fuck? So now you're arguing well it won't matter because they'll keep nominating possible rapists and you think that actually supports the people nominating the possible rapists? What, the, fuck? Seriously, what, the, fuck? Which, yes, I realize you're trying to argue that is all made up and that they'll just keep making it up about any new candidate, but just wow. That you don't care about potential sexual assault, or apparently any of the other valid issues with this guy...

How have we violated due process? He's not being charged with anything (but that you think that somehow means it shouldn't fucking matter...just wow...). Jesus fucking christ. You need to actually read what you posted because if you can't recognize how incredibly fucked up borderline insane it is, you need to seek a doctor immediately.

From my understanding there won't be any charges because its outside the statute of limitations. They were requesting the FBI look into it specifically for it being a valid or invalid thing for his Supreme Court nomination. Because lying to the FBI carries consequences. Its a way of getting people to seriously validate their version of events, and that if they don't match up, or there's other evidence that comes forth (again, the whole point is to see) then it will either validate or invalidate the situation. I'd think for someone so insistent that its not true, that if she was knowingly making it up, you'd want her to retract it or face consequences for it (which lying to the FBI would lead to).
 
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fskimospy

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Oh, the therapy sessions where no names were given in 2012? Those you mean?

So is the theory that she was discussing another individual from a local, elitist boys school who went on to become a high ranking figure in Washington?

Hahaha, I mean come on.
 

fskimospy

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Al Franken was a blood sacrifice. The Keith Ellison thread is certainly quiet.

No, Al Franken was a party applying the principle you said they only applied when convenient when it was most certainly not convenient.

As for Keith Ellison, I find the comparison of dragging a woman off a bed to attempted rape to be a bit ridiculous.
 

Bitek

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Ok, so you're arguing that her being drunk then nullifies it? So if he raped her, and they were drunk it didn't happen? I don't know if you realize how truly fucking stupid your argument is.

Ah, yes, well he didn't full on rape her, so its all good? Plus she was drunk so she was asking for it! And she was wearing a bathing suit, that fucking hussy. I bet she said yes yes yes yes, and then was like...maybe? And then she just regretted it later. Let's see what other rape enabling bullshit arguments can you add?

Uh, are you fucking joking? "If someone being accused of something horrible can get them disqualified from being one of a very select few for that position, then oh my god, what has happened to our country?" Granted I guess you feel enabled because you were able to get one in as President so you're probably wondering why sexual assault would matter at all for any position.

What? What the fuck? So now you're arguing well it won't matter because they'll keep nominating possible rapists and you think that actually supports the people nominating the possible rapists? What, the, fuck? Seriously, what, the, fuck? Which, yes, I realize you're trying to argue that is all made up and that they'll just keep making it up about any new candidate, but just wow. That you don't care about potential sexual assault, or apparently any of the other valid issues with this guy...

How have we violated due process? He's not being charged with anything (but that you think that somehow means it shouldn't fucking matter...just wow...). Jesus fucking christ. You need to actually read what you posted because if you can't recognize how incredibly fucked up borderline insane it is, you need to seek a doctor immediately.


Police arrest a driver after he hits a pedestrian.
Judge questions the accused on why they didn't stop.

"Judge, in my defense, I don't remember seeing the woman in the crosswalk, I was pretty drunk at the time."

:/
 
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Bitek

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So is the theory that she was discussing another individual from a local, elitist boys school who went on to become a high ranking figure in Washington?

Hahaha, I mean come on.

And can't remember which one it was... :roll:
 

Atreus21

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So is the theory that she was discussing another individual from a local, elitist boys school who went on to become a high ranking figure in Washington?

Hahaha, I mean come on.

Well, uh, yeah?

"I was raped 36 years ago at a party in Maryland by a member of a local elitest boy's school who later grew up to be a high ranking figure in Washington. Who else could it possibly be but Bret Kavanaugh?"

I mean come on.
 

Starbuck1975

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No, Al Franken was a party applying the principle you said they only applied when convenient when it was most certainly not convenient.
It was certainly convenient to the Presidential ambitions of certain Senators. A party is capable of eating its own.

As for Keith Ellison, I find the comparison of dragging a woman off a bed to attempted rape to be a bit ridiculous.
wut?
 
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