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Starbuck1975

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This has been shown to be factually false, as proved by Democrats forcing the resignation of a popular and high profile senator for exactly that. Republicans on the other hand enthusiastically support a serial sex offender.
The GOP forced their hand with regards to Franken and the Democrats had no choice or risk killing the momentum of the women’s march. I don’t even like Franken but it is why I felt he deserved a hearing.

Keith Ellison is not accused of sexual assault.
So just plain old vanilla abuse is cool?

Holding people accountable is not politicizing sexual assault, it is holding people accountable.
When applied inconsistently and hypocritically it is. I mean look at the governor’s race in California. The two leading Democrats, Newsom and Villaraigosa, are massive womanizers. Not good dudes at all. Probably in the same hemisphere as Bill Clinton.
 
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dainthomas

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So what's wrong with having a complete investigation?

OMG it's been at least 50 days since he was nominated! It's a complete outrage that a supreme court seat has been sitting vacant this long!! Completely unprecedented!!!
 

dainthomas

Lifer
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Because she knows there's no way to prove hers or Kavanaughs side. And in the days of #metoo she's the perfect story for the Dems to derail the nomination.

And why again? Is it the pure joy of receiving death threats and having to move your family for safety? That must be a huge check from Soros.

All so (at best) they pull his nom and ram through someone even crazier during the lame duck session. Sounds totally worth it.
 

fskimospy

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The GOP forced their hand with regard to Franken and the Democrats had no choice or risk killing the momentum of the women’s march.

So when Democrats don't oust people credibly accused of sexual assault it's their fault. When they do it's credited to the Republicans. As I said before you have created a situation where there is literally no way for Democrats to win. You refuse to give them credit for holding to their convictions no matter the outcome because you've already decided on your answer.

So just plain old vanilla abuse is cool?

I didn't say that at all. Attempting to equate what Ellison is accused of with what Kavanaugh is accused of is simply ridiculous though. They are not even in the same ballpark.

When applied inconsistently and hypocritically it is. I mean look at the governor’s race in California. The two leading Democrats, Newsom and Villaraigosa, are massive womanizers. Not good dudes at all. Probably in the same hemisphere as Bill Clinton.

You're now equating promiscuity with sexual assault? Give me a fucking break.
 
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Starbuck1975

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So when Democrats don't oust people credibly accused of sexual assault it's their fault. When they do it's credited to the Republicans. As I said before you have created a situation where there is literally no way for Democrats to win. You refuse to give them credit for holding to their convictions no matter the outcome because you've already decided on your answer.
I will give Democrats credit when they demonstrate an ability to act consistently on this topic.

I didn't say that at all. Attempting to equate what Ellison is accused of with what Kavanaugh is accused of is simply ridiculous though. They are not even in the same ballpark.
Yet Democrats are willing to silence or dismiss Ellison’s accuser, but embrace Dr. Ford’s account. I would say the accusations against Ellison are worst.

You're now equating promiscuity with sexual assault? Give me a fucking break.
Misogyny manifests itself in many ways. Rationalizing “promiscuity” flows from the same boy’s club.
 
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fskimospy

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I will give Democrats credit when they demonstrate an ability to act consistently on this topic.

We already know that's not true. When they acted consistently in Franken's case you refused to give them credit and declared it the work of Republicans.

Yet Democrats are willing to silence or dismiss Ellison’s accuser, but embrace Dr. Ford’s account.

I have no interest in your continuing attempts to equate dragging someone off a bed by their foot with attempted rape. Stop trivializing felonies.

Misogyny manifests itself in many ways. Rationalizing “promiscuity” flows from the same boy’s club.

It's frankly offensive that you're attempting to equate promiscuity with criminal sexual behavior. This is really gross.
 

kage69

Lifer
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Oh snap.

https://www.npr.org/2018/09/20/649771824/sen-claire-mccaskill-i-will-vote-no-on-judge-kavanaugh

McCaskill says No on Kavanaugh!

"[My] decision is not based on those allegations but rather on his positions on several key issues, most importantly the avalanche of dark, anonymous money that is crushing our democracy," McCaskill wrote.

"He has revealed his bias against limits on campaign donations which places him completely out of the mainstream of this nation," she wrote, adding that she was "also uncomfortable about his view on Presidential power as it relates to the rule of law, and his position that corporations are people."


BRAVO CLAIRE!!!
 
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fskimospy

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I know 3 of the witnesses she names at the party tell us she's lying. But you'll believe her anyway, due to party?

No, she's most likely telling the truth because the totality of the evidence weighs in her favor. There are apparently multiple people referring to contemporaneous accounts of the assault along with a six year old discussion of it in private. The 'witnesses' who claim she is lying are people who any rational person would assume would say as much.

Regardless I wouldn't make any conclusions without a credible investigation. It is very interesting to me that she is the one pushing for the FBI to investigate while Kavanaugh and his supporters are desperately attempting to avoid it. You would think the quickest and easiest way to clear your name would be for someone to investigate it! Similarly, if she is lying, the quickest way to land yourself in jail is to have the FBI investigate your false story. It's also odd how Republicans keep claiming there is secret evidence that will clear Kavanaugh that they won't release.

All very, very odd coincidences that someone who is being so unfairly smeared is trying so hard to prevent impartial people from clearing his name. I'm sure there's a perfectly good reason for it other than him being guilty. What do you think that reason is?
 

Starbuck1975

Lifer
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We already know that's not true. When they acted consistently in Franken's case you refused to give them credit and declared it the work of Republicans.
Fine, I give the Democrats credit for doing the right thing that one time after backing themselves into a corner.

I have no interest in your continuing attempts to equate dragging someone off a bed by their foot with attempted rape. Stop trivializing felonies.
I have a strong interest in seeing how many different ways Democrats can rationalize Ellison. Next thing you will tell me is he was only tickling her feet.

It's frankly offensive that you're attempting to equate promiscuity with criminal sexual behavior. This is really gross.
Predatory promiscuity and sexual entitlement all stem from the same well of misogyny. That’s not offensive, just cold hard fact.
 
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fskimospy

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NPR is reporting that the other student who an account to Facebook has since deleted her post and can now no longer confirm or deny that the incident took place.

https://www.npr.org/2018/09/20/6497...ssmate-that-it-happened-or-not-i-have-no-idea

If you read the original post it’s clear that her story has not changed. She said she heard about it at the time. At no point did she ever claim that she could confirm the incident took place.

So now we have multiple people saying they heard about this incident at the time. How many more do we need until you guys give in?
 

fskimospy

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Fine, I give the Democrats credit for doing the right thing that one time after backing themselves into a corner.

Haha even now you’re refusing, just in a backhanded way.

I have a strong interest in seeing how many different ways Democrats can rationalize Ellison. Next thing you will tell me is he was only tickling her feet.

We both know this isn’t true so I don’t know who you think you’re fooling. As each one of your arguments has been demolished you’ve just retreated to a new one (see below).

It is frankly disgusting that you’re trying to trivialize violent felonies because you can’t admitt you’re wrong.

Predatory promiscuity and sexual entitlement all stem from the same well of misogyny. That’s not offensive, just cold hard fact.

Promiscuity is not a violent sexual felony and comparing promiscuous people to violent sex criminals is disgusting. You should be ashamed of yourself.
 

Jaskalas

Lifer
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Oh snap.

https://www.npr.org/2018/09/20/649771824/sen-claire-mccaskill-i-will-vote-no-on-judge-kavanaugh

McCaskill says No on Kavanaugh!

"[My] decision is not based on those allegations but rather on his positions on several key issues, most importantly the avalanche of dark, anonymous money that is crushing our democracy," McCaskill wrote.

"He has revealed his bias against limits on campaign donations which places him completely out of the mainstream of this nation," she wrote, adding that she was "also uncomfortable about his view on Presidential power as it relates to the rule of law, and his position that corporations are people."


BRAVO CLAIRE!!!

Oh wow, is this the first policy discussion for Kavanaugh on page 67?

If he stands for the Citizens United decision, then I do not want him on the SCOTUS and urge votes accordingly. McCaskill has sound reasoning here.

Now to resume our regular distraction on stalling the vote for next year's Senate.
 
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Moonbeam

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I know 3 of the witnesses she names at the party tell us she's lying. But you'll believe her anyway, due to party?
Why do I get the feeling you poo poo
drunken rapist behavior in high school students. Somebody close to home you are defending?

Which is most likely the reason she won't testify.
No the Senate will simply deny her request for the normal, logical, and completely appropriate FBI investigation and they will do so because they have a reliable body of cult members who would rather not know if their nominee is an attempted rapist. If you weren't deep into cult thinking you would easily see this.`There can be no doubt that the Senate intention in excluding an FBI investigation is to keep any data out of the confrontation that would be anything but he said she said. In shout the Republicans are as usual acting like scum.
 

Starbuck1975

Lifer
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If you read the original post it’s clear that her story has not changed. She said she heard about it at the time. At no point did she ever claim that she could confirm the incident took place.

So now we have multiple people saying they heard about this incident at the time. How many more do we need until you guys give in?
The original Facebook post if fairly affirmative but now she’s walking it back. No one needs to give in. The Senate called for additional hearings and delayed the vote.
 
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Starbuck1975

Lifer
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Haha even now you’re refusing, just in a backhanded way.
No I am acknowledging it for what it is.


We both know this isn’t true so I don’t know who you think you’re fooling. As each one of your arguments has been demolished you’ve just retreated to a new one (see below).
No one’s demolished my arguments. The silence and rationalizations for Ellison are deafening

It is frankly disgusting that you’re trying to trivialize violent felonies because you can’t admitt you’re wrong.
I didn’t trivialize anything. I just enjoy watching mental gymnastics.

Promiscuity is not a violent sexual felony and comparing promiscuous people to violent sex criminals is disgusting. You should be ashamed of yourself.
Men in power abusing their positions in a predatory promiscuous way is disgusting. Democrats should be ashamed for rationalizing, excusing or accepting such behavior.
 
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HomerJS

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The GOP forced their hand with regards to Franken and the Democrats had no choice or risk killing the momentum of the women’s march. I don’t even like Franken but it is why I felt he deserved a hearing.

So just plain old vanilla abuse is cool?

When applied inconsistently and hypocritically it is. I mean look at the governor’s race in California. The two leading Democrats, Newsom and Villaraigosa, are massive womanizers. Not good dudes at all. Probably in the same hemisphere as Bill Clinton.
Actually GOP didn't force their hand. They couldn't because of that orange elephant occupying 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.

Kirsten Gillibrand forced their hand because she has aspiration to run for President.
 

fskimospy

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No I am acknowledging it for what it is.

No you aren't, you're twisting yourself into pretzels in order to justify an opinion the facts have shown to be false.

Even when backed into a corner by the facts you were at best able to muster a passive-aggressive attack on them. A more reasonable person would say that it was clearly a case of Democrats demonstrating the courage of their convictions to their own political detriment.

No one’s demolished my arguments. The silence and rationalizations for Ellison are deafening

I didn’t trivialize anything. I just enjoy watching mental gymnastics.

They have, this is somewhere around the third or fourth position you've retreated to in your desperation to maintain #bothsides.

Men in power abusing their positions in a predatory promiscuous way is disgusting. Democrats should be ashamed for rationalizing, excusing or accepting such behavior.

This is one of the more vile opinions I've seen someone on here express and I hope you take a step back and think about how you came to a place where you argued 'sure this guy might be a violent sex offender but these guys cheated on their wives so really, both sides.' Sorry to see you make it as I generally think of you as a conservative minded person who can have a rational discussion. Sad to see that I was mistaken and your horrifying opinions were just better hidden. Absolutely repulsive.
 

Jaskalas

Lifer
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Why do I get the feeling you poo poo
drunken rapist behavior in high school students. Somebody close to home you are defending?

1: In this case the behavior did not result in a rape. Thus it is far less serious than if it had.
2: Drunk teens are going to do stupid shit. That's called being drunk.
3: He was a minor.
4: It remains unsubstantiated and uncorroborated. Unproven.

I poo poo things that do not matter. This story, even if 100% true, is forgivable in return for a life time of not repeating such an offense. Of doing good and being a good person despite a moment of drug induced weak inhibition. To me, today, the greater offense is if he lies about it. Though being black out drunk would be a decent excuse for not knowing what happened. And it explains how she got away in the first place.

It's the sort of tale that you deal with at the time of the incident. Not decades later at a politically opportune moment.

As for me, never been drunk. Tasted like piss, why would anyone want that? And the stories of losing control, being taken advantage of? Hell no. I'd rather be sober than a perp or a victim.
 
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Oh snap.

https://www.npr.org/2018/09/20/649771824/sen-claire-mccaskill-i-will-vote-no-on-judge-kavanaugh

McCaskill says No on Kavanaugh!

"[My] decision is not based on those allegations but rather on his positions on several key issues, most importantly the avalanche of dark, anonymous money that is crushing our democracy," McCaskill wrote.

"He has revealed his bias against limits on campaign donations which places him completely out of the mainstream of this nation," she wrote, adding that she was "also uncomfortable about his view on Presidential power as it relates to the rule of law, and his position that corporations are people."


BRAVO CLAIRE!!!
Big surprise, a Democrat is voting no on Kavanaugh.
 
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