'He was 17 and it was only one attempted rape' has to be the worst apology for a SCOTUS nominee I have ever heard.
I think a standard of 'no attempted rapes, regardless of age' should be one that we can all agree on going forward.
1: In this case the behavior did not result in a rape. Thus it is far less serious than if it had.
2: Drunk teens are going to do stupid shit. That's called being drunk.
3: He was a minor.
4: It remains unsubstantiated and uncorroborated. Unproven.
I poo poo things that do not matter. This story, even if 100% true, is forgivable in return for a life time of not repeating such an offense. Of doing good and being a good person despite a moment of drug induced weak inhibition. To me, today, the greater offense is if he lies about it. Though being black out drunk would be a decent excuse for not knowing what happened. And it explains how she got away in the first place.
It's the sort of tale that you deal with at the time of the incident. Not decades later at a politically opportune moment.
As for me, never been drunk. Tasted like piss, why would anyone want that? And the stories of losing control, being taken advantage of? Hell no. I'd rather be sober than a perp or a victim.
A s I said in another post, it matters to the victim who can suffer lifetime harm while you say it doesn’t matter. It fucking does matter to the victim. You just don’t get it.1: In this case the behavior did not result in a rape. Thus it is far less serious than if it had.
2: Drunk teens are going to do stupid shit. That's called being drunk.
3: He was a minor.
4: It remains unsubstantiated and uncorroborated. Unproven.
I poo poo things that do not matter. This story, even if 100% true, is forgivable in return for a life time of not repeating such an offense. Of doing good and being a good person despite a moment of drug induced weak inhibition. To me, today, the greater offense is if he lies about it. Though being black out drunk would be a decent excuse for not knowing what happened. And it explains how she got away in the first place.
It's the sort of tale that you deal with at the time of the incident. Not decades later at a politically opportune moment.
As for me, never been drunk. Tasted like piss, why would anyone want that? And the stories of losing control, being taken advantage of? Hell no. I'd rather be sober than a perp or a victim.
Did you read her letter? You need to read it and take note of her details. Even if you believe people can be redeemed for past bad behavior, assuming her story is true Kavanaugh has lied about it in his hearing and that is disqualifying.1: In this case the behavior did not result in a rape. Thus it is far less serious than if it had.
2: Drunk teens are going to do stupid shit. That's called being drunk.
3: He was a minor.
4: It remains unsubstantiated and uncorroborated. Unproven.
I poo poo things that do not matter. This story, even if 100% true, is forgivable in return for a life time of not repeating such an offense. Of doing good and being a good person despite a moment of drug induced weak inhibition. To me, today, the greater offense is if he lies about it. Though being black out drunk would be a decent excuse for not knowing what happened. And it explains how she got away in the first place.
It's the sort of tale that you deal with at the time of the incident. Not decades later at a politically opportune moment.
As for me, never been drunk. Tasted like piss, why would anyone want that? And the stories of losing control, being taken advantage of? Hell no. I'd rather be sober than a perp or a victim.
The only ones backed into a corner were the Democrats with regards to FrankenNo you aren't, you're twisting yourself into pretzels in order to justify an opinion the facts have shown to be false.
Even when backed into a corner by the facts you were at best able to muster a passive-aggressive attack on them. A more reasonable person would say that it was clearly a case of Democrats demonstrating the courage of their convictions to their own political detriment.
I just have one position and have been fairly consistent with itThey have, this is somewhere around the third or fourth position you've retreated to in your desperation to maintain #bothsides.
It’s neither vile nor repulsive. At no point did I equate sexual assault to predatory promiscuity. I stand by my assertion that they stem from the same well of misogyny. The politicians I mentioned did more than just cheat on their wives. They are enablers.This is one of the more vile opinions I've seen someone on here express and I hope you take a step back and think about how you came to a place where you argued 'sure this guy might be a violent sex offender but these guys cheated on their wives so really, both sides.' Sorry to see you make it as I generally think of you as a conservative minded person who can have a rational discussion. Sad to see that I was mistaken and your horrifying opinions were just better hidden. Absolutely repulsive.
OMG it's been at least 50 days since he was nominated! It's a complete outrage that a supreme court seat has been sitting vacant this long!! Completely unprecedented!!!
Yes and it was such a tragedy they want to make sure it doesn't happen again.But the people who say an investigation is unethical were the same people who wanted to keep the seat open for over a year!
The only ones backed into a corner were the Democrats with regards to Franken
I just have one position and have been fairly consistent with it
It’s neither vile nor repulsive. At no point did I equate sexual assault to predatory promiscuity. I stand by my assertion that they stem from the same well of misogyny. The politicians I mentioned did more than just cheat on their wives. They are enablers.
You are one of the few liberals left here worth having a conversation with, and I’ve extended you that respect.
You and I are in agreement that the Kavanaugh nomination should not go forward. For perjury alone I think he should withdraw. I also think sworn testimony or further FBI investigation is appropriate for Dr. Ford.
You are so stubbornly vested in this notion that Democrats are above reproach that you are incapable of conceding just one bit of ground.
You mean like Corey Booker?That's odd, considering I've repeatedly said in this thread alone that Democrats aren't above reproach. I just have no patience for false equivalence. #bothsides is a cancer on our political system because it stops political parties from being held accountable. We need to learn how to say 'holy shit, this party is much, much worse than the other so they need to be unequivocally condemned'.
As for the rest you most certainly did equate violent sex offenses with cheating on your wife. If they aren't equal (or somewhere close) then your statement was no defense at all. Disgusting.
Yes and it was such a tragedy they want to make sure it doesn't happen again.
You mean like Corey Booker?
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...is-1992-column-detailing-teenage-groping.html
He confessed that he sexually groped a drunk girl.Man is that some pathetic reaching, even for you.
He confessed that he sexually groped a drunk girl.
Man is that some pathetic reaching, even for you.
You mean like Corey Booker?
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...is-1992-column-detailing-teenage-groping.html
A s I said in another post, it matters to the victim who can suffer lifetime harm while you say it doesn’t matter. It fucking does matter to the victim. You just don’t get it.
From my perspective, the cancer is tribalistic rationalizations. Most partisans don’t like bothsiderism because it reveals uncomfortable truths.That's odd, considering I've repeatedly said in this thread alone that Democrats aren't above reproach. I just have no patience for false equivalence. #bothsides is a cancer on our political system because it stops political parties from being held accountable. We need to learn how to say 'holy shit, this party is much, much worse than the other so they need to be unequivocally condemned'.
Don’t be dishonest, that’s what the waterboys do. Quote where I said they were equivalent. One is an enabler to the other but they are not equivalent. I’ve never established equivalence.As for the rest you most certainly did equate violent sex offenses with cheating on your wife. If they aren't equal (or somewhere close) then your statement was no defense at all. Disgusting.
Now throw in a much drunker Booker attempting that same scenario. You think a drunk teen in that situation will understand the fine line between socially expected pressure VS the use of force? I don't expect they would be in any capacity to make those decisions.
A teenage girl went to a party with multiple teenage boys. They were apparently all drunk. What does one expect that outcome to be?
No, I don't get the outrage. Particularly since they had the good sense to stop before they harmed her. Hell, go to an airport. The TSA will molest her just as much.
He confessed that he sexually groped a drunk girl.
There isn't one and has never been one and won't be one. It's not something the FBI investigates.So where's the FBI investigation?
violent attempted rape
The TSA would prosecute her if she complains too much or put on a scene, but he's accurate.You’re a rather sick mess, Tobias.
At least Booker admitted it. amirite
Now throw in a much drunker Booker attempting that same scenario. You think a drunk teen in that situation will understand the fine line between socially expected pressure VS the use of force? I don't expect they would be in any capacity to make those decisions.
A teenage girl went to a party with multiple teenage boys. They were apparently all drunk. What does one expect that outcome to be?
No, I don't get the outrage. Particularly since they had the good sense to stop before they harmed her. Hell, go to an airport. The TSA will molest her just as much.
That's news to me. Did she even claim to be bruised?
No, he's lying yet again, but give him time, he'll make up something else.That's news to me. Did she even claim to be bruised?