Kavanaugh SCOTUS Senate Judicial Hearing

[umbrella39]

What exactly do you think you are showing us?

That he's a retarded old man already kicking up dirt for his nap. Not sure why people directly respond to this piece of shit loser at this point. He's in fullcourt press mode. Put him on ignore... another sock pops up... whack-a-tard... Boring and predictable since birth...

 

[Victorian Gray]

“they who can give up liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.” Benjamin Franklin

Another idiot with not a clue as to the meaning/context of that quote. Hell, you didn't even bother to get the quote right. “Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety”

"The words appear originally in a 1755 letter that Franklin is presumed to have written on behalf of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the colonial governor during the French and Indian War. The letter was a salvo in a power struggle between the governor and the Assembly over funding for security on the frontier, one in which the Assembly wished to tax the lands of the Penn family, which ruled Pennsylvania from afar, to raise money for defense against French and Indian attacks. The governor kept vetoing the Assembly’s efforts at the behest of the family, which had appointed him. So to start matters, Franklin was writing not as a subject being asked to cede his liberty to government, but in his capacity as a legislator being asked to renounce his power to tax lands notionally under his jurisdiction. In other words, the “essential liberty” to which Franklin referred was thus not what we would think of today as civil liberties but, rather, the right of self-governance of a legislature in the interests of collective security.

What's more the “purchase [of] a little temporary safety” of which Franklin complains was not the ceding of power to a government Leviathan in exchange for some promise of protection from external threat; for in Franklin’s letter, the word “purchase” does not appear to have been a metaphor. The governor was accusing the Assembly of stalling on appropriating money for frontier defense by insisting on including the Penn lands in its taxes--and thus triggering his intervention. And the Penn family later offered cash to fund defense of the frontier--as long as the Assembly would acknowledge that it lacked the power to tax the family’s lands. Franklin was thus complaining of the choice facing the legislature between being able to make funds available for frontier defense and maintaining its right of self-governance--and he was criticizing the governor for suggesting it should be willing to give up the latter to ensure the former.

In short, Franklin was not describing some tension between government power and individual liberty. He was describing, rather, effective self-government in the service of security as the very liberty it would be contemptible to trade. Notwithstanding the way the quotation has come down to us, Franklin saw the liberty and security interests of Pennsylvanians as aligned."

https://www.lawfareblog.com/what-ben-franklin-really-said

 

[dawp]

trump must have used the same vetting process on Kavanaugh as he did on all his other nominees, loyalty to trump and not the country.

 

[Moonbeam]

No I don't, which is one reason i posted the Sen. Cory Booker story earlier.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...is-1992-column-detailing-teenage-groping.html

But how does bringing it up make any sense? In the one case we have a judge accused of attempted rape which he denies it and is spending hours a day rehearsing how to deflect it and an elected official who can be voted out of office admitting to indiscretions he wasn't charged with but confessed to make the point regarding an experience that brought to him a revolution in his thinking. One guy volunteered the information the other has not demanded the FBI investigate and clear his name. That fact alone disqualifies him from the Supreme Court. What kind of justice can you have where a judge doesn't want evidence presented. You are backing a person who is unfit to be a judge being pushed through by men who don't deserve to be Senators. hate to bring the bad news but I have no way of knowing if maybe you might just see it even if it's unlikely. It hurts bad to lose one's sacred cows. I'm personally familiar with that pain.

 

[Moonbeam]

I'm not seeing what someone may or may not have done as a high school kid having any relevance 4 decades later. But I'm not a hyper-partisan idiot who sees things in terms of D vs. R, so that probably explains that. Rage on everyone.

Which brings up a good point. Attempted rape over 16 years of age is a felony in the state of Maryland, if I have my facts right, and has no statue of limitations, so all that has to happen for some real fun is that his accuser bring charges in the state. What a delight for all to watch a Supreme Court Justice brought up on charges of rape where there will surely be an investigation.

 

[fskimospy]

I'm not seeing what someone may or may not have done as a high school kid having any relevance 4 decades later. But I'm not a hyper-partisan idiot who sees things in terms of D vs. R, so that probably explains that. Rage on everyone.

Assuming this happened you don’t see why someone committing a violent sex crime as a teenager and then lying about it on a continuing basis is relevant?

Are you sure you aren’t an idiot? Haha.

 

[esquared]

Here's the whole deal laid out for everyone to see.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/man-tries-zillow-prove-kavanaugh-012933947.html

Man tries to use Zillow to prove Kavanaugh's innocence and ends up owning himself

This guy supposedly clerked for Scalia at some point.
https://eppc.org/author/edward_whelan/

Why would a guy put himself out there like that?
Plus, he names a guy to who did what Kavanaugh supposedly did. This dudes in a bit of trouble, it seems.
Waiting for the denials that his account was hacked or he took too much Ambien.

 

[dawp]

Assuming this happened you don’t see why someone committing a violent sex crime as a teenager and then lying about it on a continuing basis is relevant?

Are you sure you aren’t an idiot? Haha.

or he's a rapist himself and can identify with Kavanaugh.

 

[IJTSSG]

Has Feinstein apologized to Dr. Ford yet? She has turned into a useful idiot for the demotards but she is owed an apology for being outed against her wishes. I know the TDS suffering limp wristed bitch brigade has been busy trying to castigate Judge Kavanaugh and turning Dr. Ford into a sympathetic witness but let's remember who ignored her request for anonymity and is now hoping that her story of attempted rape is true so they can stop a political appointment.

Good job!

 

[fskimospy]

Has Feinstein apologized to Dr. Ford yet? She has turned into a useful idiot for the demotards but she is owed an apology for being outed against her wishes. I know the TDS suffering limp wristed bitch brigade has been busy trying to castigate Judge Kavanaugh and turning Dr. Ford into a sympathetic witness but let's remember who ignored her request for anonymity and is now hoping that her story of attempted rape is true so they can stop a political appointment.

Good job!

Feinstein didn’t out her, The Intercept did. Ford’s attorney has released a statement saying she considers Feinstein to have respected her privacy.

With that in mind, when will you be apologizing to Feinstein? She’s certainly owed an apology for being smeared by an idiot who doesn’t know what he’s talking about.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost/why-didnt-she-bring-it-up-feinstein-under-scrutiny-for-handling-of-allegations-against-kavanaugh/2018/09/18/0ace9e24-bb78-11e8-9812-a389be6690af_story.html

Another good job! Hahaha.

 

[HomerJS]

Has Feinstein apologized to Dr. Ford yet? She has turned into a useful idiot for the demotards but she is owed an apology for being outed against her wishes. I know the TDS suffering limp wristed bitch brigade has been busy trying to castigate Judge Kavanaugh and turning Dr. Ford into a sympathetic witness but let's remember who ignored her request for anonymity and is now hoping that her story of attempted rape is true so they can stop a political appointment.

Good job!

Clearly you don't care about the content of Dr. Ford's story. We are possibly looking at a Roy Moore 2

And now Kavanaugh's people are trying to blame the attack on someone else. Now they are saying it happened but it wasn't their boy Brett.

 

[Starbuck1975]

We are not in a court so that is irrelevant. Kavanaugh has no presumption of innocence either.

This is a job interview, he has to convince people that they should accept him into this job, not the other way around.

It is a job interview.

If you are the victim of a crime, do you appeal to a hiring manager or to the proper authorities?

If you are a job candidate, is the hiring board the proper forum to face allegations?

Yes this is a “job interview”, but there are nuances unique to a SCOTUS appointment.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Feinstein didn’t out her, The Intercept did. Ford’s attorney has released a statement saying she considers Feinstein to have respected her privacy.

With that in mind, when will you be apologizing to Feinstein? She’s certainly owed an apology for being smeared by an idiot who doesn’t know what he’s talking about.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost/why-didnt-she-bring-it-up-feinstein-under-scrutiny-for-handling-of-allegations-against-kavanaugh/2018/09/18/0ace9e24-bb78-11e8-9812-a389be6690af_story.html

Another good job! Hahaha.

Feinstein does not owe an apology to the victim. You are correct that Feinstein tried to honor the wishes of Dr. Ford to remain anonymous.

Feinstein owes an apology to the American people for sitting on this. She had ample opportunity to raise this during the “job interview”.

 

[HomerJS]

Some of the conditions that Ford is trying to force on the Senate.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/co...ons-her-testify-about-alleged-assault-n911706

Force? Anything look unreasonable?

 

[HomerJS]

I'm not seeing what someone may or may not have done as a high school kid having any relevance 4 decades later. But I'm not a hyper-partisan idiot who sees things in terms of D vs. R, so that probably explains that. Rage on everyone.

If you lie about it in your confirmation hearing it is completely relevant. If the incident is as she said and he apologized to her years ago and had a clean record since it wouldn't be an issue.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Force? Anything look unreasonable?

An unbounded opening statement is unreasonable because this then becomes a political speech, not a testimony.

She should go first. She is bringing allegations. She should lay out her allegations and then Kavanaugh should have an opportunity to answer those allegations.

I agree Kavanaugh should not be in the room when she testified.

I disagree that Senators should be asking the questions. The Senate should bring in independent counsel to ask the questions. Senators can provide their questions to the independent counsel.

 

[HomerJS]

The Senate investigators have taken testimony from at least 3 of the people named in Fords letter including Kavanaugh, all of it with Felony penalties for lying. I'd link, but i can't find the damn story.

Did it include Mark Judge? Any of the Democratic staffers included? If we learned anything from Devin Nunes we can't trust Republicans only to question.

Here is a tweet from one of Grassley's staffers who did the so called "questioning". Clearly we need unbaised questioning like the FBI.

“Unfazed and determined. We will confirm Judge Kavanaugh. #ConfirmKavanaugh #SCOTUS,” Davis tweeted at 11 p.m. Wednesday.

https://www.rollcall.com/news/politics/staffers-tweets-fuel-fight-kavanaugh-accuser

 

[fskimospy]

Feinstein does not owe an apology to the victim. You are correct that Feinstein tried to honor the wishes of Dr. Ford to remain anonymous.

Feinstein owes an apology to the American people for sitting on this. She had ample opportunity to raise this during the “job interview”.

I’m not sure what Feinstein should have done. On one hand this is a matter of significant importance to America, on the other hand she gave her word to respect the privacy of one of her constituents, where violating it could ruin the woman’s life.

I don’t think there’s a good answer.

 

[IJTSSG]

Feinstein didn’t out her, The Intercept did. Ford’s attorney has released a statement saying she considers Feinstein to have respected her privacy.

With that in mind, when will you be apologizing to Feinstein? She’s certainly owed an apology for being smeared by an idiot who doesn’t know what he’s talking about.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost/why-didnt-she-bring-it-up-feinstein-under-scrutiny-for-handling-of-allegations-against-kavanaugh/2018/09/18/0ace9e24-bb78-11e8-9812-a389be6690af_story.html

Another good job! Hahaha.

You are one stupid motherfucker. How did the intercept learn about it. The heard the rumor that other Senators were pressuring Feinstein to see it. How did those other Senators find out the letter existed? Because Feinsteins office couldn't keep it a secret. Did you follow that? It wasn't very hard.

I told you to start spitting. You obviously haven't.

 

[Starbuck1975]

I’m not sure what Feinstein should have done. On one hand this is a matter of significant importance to America, on the other hand she gave her word to respect the privacy of one of her constituents, where violating it could ruin the woman’s life.

I don’t think there’s a good answer.

Someone earlier in the thread compared this to the situation Comey found himself in.

There are protocols and processes that allow our government to function.

We are well outside the boundaries of those protocols and processes.

A trusted part of that apparatus faces a tough decision to which there is no good answer.

 

[HomerJS]

You are one stupid motherfucker. How did the intercept learn about it. The heard the rumor that other Senators were pressuring Feinstein to see it. How did those other Senators find out the letter existed? Because Feinsteins office couldn't keep it a secret. Did you follow that? It wasn't very hard.

I told you to start spitting. You obviously haven't.

At this point how does who outed her change the content of her claim? Do you even care about her accusation?

 

[Starbuck1975]

You are one stupid motherfucker. How did the intercept learn about it. The heard the rumor that other Senators were pressuring Feinstein to see it. How did those other Senators find out the letter existed? Because Feinsteins office couldn't keep it a secret. Did you follow that? It wasn't very hard.

I told you to start spitting. You obviously haven't.

That doesn’t mean Feinstein leaked it. It was her duty to discuss the existence of the allegation without leaking the identity of the accuser. When it became clear that Feinstein intended not to use this information, it appears one of her colleagues disagreed and decided to leak it. That is the person who deserves criticism.

Direct your angst at the other water boys. @fskimospy is one of the few reasonable liberal voices left here.

 

[fskimospy]

You are one stupid motherfucker. How did the intercept learn about it. The heard the rumor that other Senators were pressuring Feinstein to see it. How did those other Senators find out the letter existed? Because Feinsteins office couldn't keep it a secret. Did you follow that? It wasn't very hard.

I told you to start spitting. You obviously haven't.

We have no idea how the intercept learned about it or how other senators learned about it. What we do know is that the first public reports came from The Intercept and that the woman on whose behalf you are demanding an apology has said she believes Feinstein respected her privacy. I love how your response to having your stupidity outed is to start raging and flailing like a twelve year old though, I find it hilarious.

You owe Feinstein an apology. When can we expect it? Hopefully this is a good lesson so next time you actually learn about a topic before opening your mouth.

 

[fskimospy]

I told you to start spitting. You obviously haven't.

Also does anyone know what this means? Is the idea that I’m swallowing too much semen in order to understand who leaked Ford’s letter? If so that’s just confusing, haha.

 

[MrSquished]

Republicans are pigs and disgusting creatures. They have no morals or ethics left to bargain with and should be banned from holding office.