Kavanaugh SCOTUS Senate Judicial Hearing

[imported_tajmahal]

What? Denying knowledge of something is not testifying against it.

This is basic logic.

Dance little boy, dance!

 

[fskimospy]

Dance little boy, dance!

Any thoughts on addressing your obvious lies I quoted earlier?

I can make some more limericks to if you would like.

 

[Jaskalas]

What? Denying knowledge of something is not testifying against it.

This is basic logic.

It is if you were named as being there by the accuser?
Isn't that what these 3 were to this story?

 

[ivwshane]

It is if you were named as being there by the accuser?
Isn't that what these 3 were to this story?

I don't know is it? Were these people actually named by ford or was it an educated guess by the news outlets?

 

[compuwiz1]

Third Named Witness Rejects Accuser’s Allegations

Ms. Keyer, whom CNN confirms is “a lifelong friend of Ford’s,” is the third named witness to deny any knowledge of the allegations. The other two, Mark Judge and Patrick Smyth, issued written statements to that effect earlier in the week.
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That's third witness, four people VS the accuser.

So, four people won't corroborate her story, including Kavanaugh, or four people perjured themselves. Which is it?
I'm seeing it this way, not through the hyper-partisan and ideological lenses that some here are.
1. She can't name a specific date, time or location.
2. Has nobody to corroborate her allegations.
3. Something happened and her psychiatrist knows.
4. Kavanaugh denies it happened and does not know who she is.
5. She's agreed to testify under certain terms.

This is a flimsy case, at best. The assumption of innocence until proven guilty doesn't matter. The left wants the politics of it all to determine the outcome, whether factual or not. It needs to be demonstrated that this is not how things work. Otherwise, we are living in a world where unproven allegations destroy people's lives. It's important because it could happen to any of us. People can lose careers, just because little Suzi down the hall said Frank pinched her ass, or Suzi pinched Frank's ass.

I believe, in the end, once Ms. Ford understands that she runs the risk of perjuring herself, she drops it and does not testify. She is going to be very easy to discredit, even if she does testify. I won't be surprised if she doesn't testify.

Seeing the meltdown over this 2nd appointee...I can only imagine how it will be if something happens to RBG, or she retires during this administration. I think the world will burn.

 

[Aegeon]

So, four people won't corroborate her story, including Kavanaugh, or four people perjured themselves. Which is it?

Obviously an extremely likely scenario is neither one for at least three of them and they simply can't remember the event in question decades later since nothing noteworthy happened to them personally at it. (Other scenarios include they were there at the party but didn't happen to see or at least get a good glimpse of Kavanaugh, or got drunk enough they no longer remember many details of the party.)

In the case of Mark Judge, it would not be at all surprising if he were covering for his friend Kavanaugh, although another scenario is since he has personally already admitted to such drinking bouts this was an occasion he got so drunk he genuinely does not remember this event at the party. Ford brought him up because he was involved in the claimed event, not because she expected him to back her story.

It should be noted that at least in the case of three of them, there is realistically basically zero chance of them ever really getting in legal trouble for perjury if they remembered being at the party with both her and Kavanaugh but lied because they didn't want to get involved or for some other reason. Even if a letter surfaced from 15 years after the event showing the did remember Kavanaugh at the time, they could somewhat plausibly argue they simply had forgotten about him since them. (It would take something like a current email surfacing showing their intent to lie about the event in spite of their memories to truly get in legal trouble.)

I am going to point out that a specific confident claim she is actually going to be easy to discredit is plainly utterly preposterous unless you have inside info the rest of us don't. Republicans might be able to create some doubt about her claims depending on how the testimony goes, but baring her suddenly confessing to lying at the hearing it seems fairly unlikely that her claims could be truly discredited at that point.

Update edit: Its worth pointing out that Keyser specifically has on record that while she does she did not remember the details of the party at this point, but given her personal knowledge of Ford she believes she was being truthful about the event.

In a brief interview at her home in Silver Spring, Keyser said that she did not recall the party, but that she was close friends with Ford and that she believes Ford’s allegation.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...8719177250f_story.html?utm_term=.02927af0c626

In general it really is not surprising that other people at the party would not remember details at this point if they did not believe anything notable happened at the time.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Obviously an extremely likely scenario is neither one for at least three of them and they simply can't remember the event in question decades later since nothing noteworthy happened to them personally at it. (Other scenarios include they were there at the party but didn't happen to see or at least get a good glimpse of Kavanaugh, or got drunk enough they no longer remember many details of the party.)

In the case of Mark Judge, it would not be at all surprising if he were covering for his friend Kavanaugh, although another scenario is since he has personally already admitted to such drinking bouts this was an occasion he got so drunk he genuinely does not remember this event at the party. Ford brought him up because he was involved in the claimed event, not because she expected him to back her story.

It should be noted that at least in the case of three of them, there is realistically basically zero chance of them ever really getting in legal trouble for perjury if they remembered being at the party with both her and Kavanaugh but lied because they didn't want to get involved or for some other reason. Even if a letter surfaced from 15 years after the event showing the did remember Kavanaugh at the time, they could somewhat plausibly argue they simply had forgotten about him since them. (It would take something like a current email surfacing showing their intent to lie about the event in spite of their memories to truly get in legal trouble.)

I am going to point out that a specific confident claim she is actually going to be easy to discredit is plainly utterly preposterous unless you have inside info the rest of us don't. Republicans might be able to create some doubt about her claims depending on how the testimony goes, but baring her suddenly confessing to lying at the hearing it seems fairly unlikely that her claims could be truly discredited at that point.

Update edit: Its worth pointing out that Keyser specifically has on record that while she does she did not remember the details of the party at this point, but given her personal knowledge of Ford she believes she was being truthful about the event.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...8719177250f_story.html?utm_term=.02927af0c626

In general it really is not surprising that other people at the party would not remember details at this point if they did not believe anything notable happened at the time.

Also worth pointing out that Ms. Keyser is reported to be a lifelong friend of Ford and was allegedly at the party that night.

If anyone can connect Kavanaugh to Dr. Ford, it would be her. If Ms. Keyser were to affirm Dr. Ford’s account, then it would be over for Kavanaugh. She has chosen not to.

I have no doubt something happened to Dr. Ford in high school. At this point, there is reasonable doubt it was Kavanaugh.

 

[boomerang]

I'm betting she has car trouble on the way. Car trouble which will cause her to arrive on the afternoon on Thursday too exhausted after the rigors of a cross-country road trip to testify that day.

If she manages to make it on time, I expect that she'll be emotionally overcome several times and the proceedings will have to be postponed for an hour or more each time. The goal will be to keep Kavanaugh from testifying on the same day.

After he testifies she will make a demand to further testify in an attempt to refute what he said. Unfortunately she will have pressing business back in California which will of course necessitate her having to return at a later date for that additional testimony. Edit: This won't come into play. Under Senate rules the deadline is Thursday for the vote out of committee. All they need to do is to delay until midnight. Should be a piece of cake and hey, we may even get to witness another Spartacus moment from Senator Spartacus.

Prior to the start of the proceedings on Thursday she will demand a pony.

Will the press be there for the start of her journey? Watching and commenting breathlessly as she enters her car? Will they be present for every rest stop along the way? Every fill up? Every stop for food? The quick stop to view the world's biggest ball of string? Will she require protection as she traverses flyover country where people cling to their guns and religion? Somebody's got to document what could be a truly historic road trip. For the book, for the movie.

 

[fskimospy]

I like how Kavanaugh, the guy who enthusiastically worked on Ken Starr’s team, is apparently mad about people asking intrusive questions about his sex life.

Lol.

 

[boomerang]

I believe, in the end, once Ms. Ford understands that she runs the risk of perjuring herself, she drops it and does not testify. She is going to be very easy to discredit, even if she does testify. I won't be surprised if she doesn't testify.

Seeing the meltdown over this 2nd appointee...I can only imagine how it will be if something happens to RBG, or she retires during this administration. I think the world will burn.

If she doesn't testify we'll be told it's because she's in too fragile a state after her ordeal 35, 36, however many years ago she believes something happened to her. We'll be told that she needs some counseling, blah, blah, in order to tell her most important story. This can be spun a slew of different ways and she's got the legal team (paid for by who?) that can dream up a cornucopia of reasons. Whichever one is decided upon will be good enough for the media and the left.

As to your second paragraph. We can no longer appoint anyone to the SCOTUS. They will eventually die off and we won't have a supreme court in the land. Likewise for federal judges, members of Congress, both House and Senate. No governors, no mayors. No police chiefs, no dog catchers. This will have to be bipartisan because once the Republicans figure out that they can't fill any positions, they will have to adopt the same tactics purely as a means of survival. You want to talk about gridlock, this is bringing it to it's pinnacle.

Everyone's job is threatened. Their stature in their community. We have entered a new world where there is no longer a presumption of innocence, the presumption is guilt. If you don't make eye contact with Jane while getting coffee at the office, if she's having a bad day, you're out of there. You're out of there if you do make eye contact with her. If Bob doesn't like the shoes Mary is wearing, well, he remembers her giving his left buttock a squeeze one day 18 years ago when they first hired in and Mary is out of there. Bob must be believed.

Your wife has had enough of your shit and the last time you had sex, you did not ask her for permission to touch her let alone put that nasty penis in her and you sir, are now imprisoned. No witnesses, no problem, it's still rape. Guilty until proven innocent. She must be believed.

The left lost the Presidency, the left doesn't get to make SCOTUS picks. This is unacceptable to them and everybody is going to have to pay a price. 0bama told us that elections have consequences and hearing that brought a lot of joy to the left when they had power. Now that they feel they don't have power, it's unfair, unacceptable and they're willing to fight a war over it.

The times they are a changin'.

 

[fskimospy]

If she doesn't testify we'll be told it's because she's in too fragile a state after her ordeal 35, 36, however many years ago she believes something happened to her. We'll be told that she needs some counseling, blah, blah, in order to tell her most important story. This can be spun a slew of different ways and she's got the legal team (paid for by who?) that can dream up a cornucopia of reasons. Whichever one is decided upon will be good enough for the media and the left.

As to your second paragraph. We can no longer appoint anyone to the SCOTUS. They will eventually die off and we won't have a supreme court in the land. Likewise for federal judges, members of Congress, both House and Senate. No governors, no mayors. No police chiefs, no dog catchers. This will have to be bipartisan because once the Republicans figure out that they can't fill any positions, they will have to adopt the same tactics purely as a means of survival. You want to talk about gridlock, this is bringing it to it's pinnacle.

Everyone's job is threatened. Their stature in their community. We have entered a new world where there is no longer a presumption of innocence, the presumption is guilt. If you don't make eye contact with Jane while getting coffee at the office, if she's having a bad day, you're out of there. You're out of there if you do make eye contact with her. If Bob doesn't like the shoes Mary is wearing, well, he remembers her giving his left buttock a squeeze one day 18 years ago when they first hired in and Mary is out of there. Bob must be believed.

Your wife has had enough of your shit and the last time you had sex, you did not ask her for permission to touch her let alone put that nasty penis in her and you sir, are now imprisoned. No witnesses, no problem, it's still rape. Guilty until proven innocent. She must be believed.

The left lost the Presidency, the left doesn't get to make SCOTUS picks. This is unacceptable to them and everybody is going to have to pay a price. 0bama told us that elections have consequences and hearing that brought a lot of joy to the left when they had power. Now that they feel they don't have power, it's unfair, unacceptable and they're willing to fight a war over it.

The times they are a changin'.

I love how these idiots think because Kavanaugh is credibly accused of attempted rape that every nominee ever will be, despite the fact that Gorsuch, Alito, And Roberts were all confirmed in recent years with nothing like that.

It’s almost as if those guys weren’t accused of it because they didn’t do it.

 

[Jaskalas]

I love how these idiots think because Kavanaugh is credibly accused of attempted rape that every nominee ever will be, despite the fact that Gorsuch, Alito, And Roberts were all confirmed in recent years with nothing like that.

It’s almost as if those guys weren’t accused of it because they didn’t do it.

And when the filibuster was first abused for years at a time, "I loved" how "idiots" assumed the other party wouldn't escalate into doing the same exact thing, after all there were several prior examples of it not being abused. It's almost like corruption and abuse of power are a... growing trend in this increasingly partisan country, where the conquest of the other party and the crushing of their agenda is all that matters these days. And each new decade we find new ways to sink even lower in an effort to attain those goals.

Gee, you think such efforts would be unheard of for the partisan fight for the "swing seat" on the SCOTUS? With the very balance of the Judicial branch hanging in the balance? I'm quite sure left leaning media has asserted that the fate of the nation hangs on Kavanaugh. Gorsuch was merely filling in for the deeply conservative Scalia. This time the SCOTUS is changing, according to opponents.

Having spelled out the obvious, I'll add this too. It's entirely possible she was attacked by _someone_ as a 15 year old. Trouble is, such decades old allegations are rarely the sort that can be corroborated. AKA, proven. And unless we're out to burn Salem witches, one might think that evidence has some value before we go ahead and lynch people for their supposed crimes. Just a thought, that we might want to behave even a little better than those folks in 1692.

The testimony currently stands at 4 to 1. Including her "life long friend".

 

[K1052]

I love how these idiots think because Kavanaugh is credibly accused of attempted rape that every nominee ever will be, despite the fact that Gorsuch, Alito, And Roberts were all confirmed in recent years with nothing like that.

It’s almost as if those guys weren’t accused of it because they didn’t do it.

Yes, we have not confirmed anybody to the court since (and including) Thomas so boomer is really on the right track. /s

Nominations can fail for a variety of reasons. The concept that they don't or should not bears no resemblance to the reality of the process the Senate choses to use. The nominee is not entitled to anything,

 

[K1052]

And unless we're out to burn Salem witches, one might think that evidence has some value before we go ahead and lynch people for their supposed crimes. Just a thought, that we might want to behave even a little better than those folks in 1692.

The senate confirmation process resembles the Salem witch trials in that there are basically no rules for anybody. Nothing has changed from previous confirmations in this regard even if you think it should.

Though I would say the consequences are are just touch different in that one involved death and the other simply means you go back to your current, if less prestigious, bench.

 

[K1052]

yikes

Fox News Poll: Record number of voters oppose Kavanaugh nomination

Voter support for Brett Kavanaugh’s confirmation to the U.S. Supreme Court is down in the wake of Christine Ford’s assault allegations, as more believe her than him.

Currently, 40 percent of voters would confirm Kavanaugh, while 50 percent oppose him, according to a Fox News poll. Last month, views split 45-46 percent (August 19-21).

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...umber-voters-oppose-kavanaugh-nomination.html

 

[cytg111]

Repubs denied Obama this seat. Its war.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Repubs denied Obama this seat. Its war.

At least you’re being honest about what this is really about, and someone threw Dr. Ford into the line of fire to win it.

 

[IronWing]

At least you’re being honest about what this is really about, and someone threw Dr. Ford into the line of fire to win it.

If Republicans gave a shit about our country, Kavanaugh wouldn't even have been considered.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

Also worth pointing out that Ms. Keyser is reported to be a lifelong friend of Ford and was allegedly at the party that night.

If anyone can connect Kavanaugh to Dr. Ford, it would be her. If Ms. Keyser were to affirm Dr. Ford’s account, then it would be over for Kavanaugh. She has chosen not to.

I have no doubt something happened to Dr. Ford in high school. At this point, there is reasonable doubt it was Kavanaugh.

Ms. Keyser has said she doesn't even know Kavanaugh and has said it under oath or affirmation.

 

[cytg111]

At least you’re being honest about what this is really about, and someone threw Dr. Ford into the line of fire to win it.

It doesnt have to be "or" it can be "both", Obama was denied this seat by traitorous turtleneck AND Kavanaugh is a hack.
GOP aka Trump Clan is not so different from clan Taliban back in Afghanistan. What we do with those?

 

[cytg111]

Ms. Keyser has said she doesn't even know Kavanaugh and has said it under oath or affirmation.

Year of the cockroach is over .. go back into hiding scumbag.

 

[sactoking]

https://www-m.cnn.com/2018/09/23/po...t-kavanaugh/index.html?r=https://www.cnn.com/
Just in case you needed any MORE confirmation that the Kavanaugh nomination is about shielding the unindicted conspirator from the consequences of his actions.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

I like how Kavanaugh, the guy who enthusiastically worked on Ken Starr’s team, is apparently mad about people asking intrusive questions about his sex life.

Lol.

Dance, dance,dance.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

yikes

Fox News Poll: Record number of voters oppose Kavanaugh nomination



http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...umber-voters-oppose-kavanaugh-nomination.html

Gosh, up a whole 4 points since the last pre-Ford poll and after the Blitzkrieg of leftist editorials.

 

[cytg111]

Dance, dance,dance.

You think you are the superior race? In your world I dispose of you. Dont worry I will die to see your world not come to fruition.