I would like for you to draw the picture, crayon please.
I don’t support Kavanaugh, but not because of desperate nth hour allegations. I didn’t like it when it happened to Franken. I don’t support it now.
The GOP chose to rush the nomination process. They over reached, they get to deal with the consequences.
Citation neededGotta love it when Starbuck asks a question & ignores the answer for the sake of convenience.
We don’t know that’s what happened and it is impossible to validate or verify.Since when is attempted rape not criminal?
The idea that further evidence shouldn't be considered after an arbitrary proceeding time is silliness. These charges are credible and should be pursued as long and as far as they need to be. You don't make a lifetime appointment to an enormously powerful office unless you can be confident of that person's integrity. Right now we can't be and all reasonable and objective people certainly agree.
I'd love to get this into a court of law where actual evidence is presented. Smears, slimes, shit, lies and falsehoods are much harder to proveSince when is attempted rape not criminal?
This. Especially when so many previous Trump men, Trump choices, Trump appointees have already been ousted or are currently under investigation because of their lack of integrity.
Yes but all nominations inevitably go forward to a vote, job interviews eventually result in a hiring decision. The hiring decision got delayed by nth hour allegations that no reasonable prosecutor would entertain this far outside the statute of limitations.
They have. We will now be making moral determinations on the high school and college escapades of young people experimenting with alcohol and sexuality, some of whom may have made poor choices even if they were not criminal.
I agree and have consistently in this thread. I care more about what he did in the Bush White House.
No they should not. The Dr. Ford allegations are shaky at best.
The Ramirez allegation is dumpster diving.
The crap Avenatti is floating is Steve Bannon level pizza shop crap. Although I think its worth noting that a porn star’s lawyer is proving to be a more tenacious opponent to Trump than any of the Democrats.
You mean the standard before Ted Kennedy went crazy
Since when is attempted rape not criminal?
Yes.Is there anyone here that thinks Kavanaugh has not told at least one lie during his confirmation hearing?
SCOTUS doesn’t make laws they only interpret the constitutionality of them. If the GOP loses Congress, the Senate or the White House, its a moot point.Everything, from citizens' united to unions to abortion to the ACA & everything else. The GOP intends to intensify the grip of wealth & religion on the govt & the people via the SCOTUS. None of what they want is compatible with democratic socialism.
SCOTUS doesn’t make laws they only interpret the constitutionality of them. If the GOP loses Congress, the Senate or the White House, its a moot point.
Confirmation hearing? He outright lied in his nomination acceptance speech.Is there anyone here that thinks Kavanaugh has not told at least one lie during his confirmation hearing?
SCOTUS doesn’t make laws they only interpret the constitutionality of them. If the GOP loses Congress, the Senate or the White House, its a moot point.
Uhmm, do you not remember recent rulings eviscerating the voting rights act, immunizing corporations from generally applicable laws based on their corporate religious beliefs, etc, etc?
The history of the Supreme Court for most of US history save the Warren Court has been to strike down popularly enacted legislaction. Hell at one point they even struck down child labor laws as an unfair restriction on a child’s freedom to enter into contracts.
That damn Constitution keeps the Democrats from forcing laws on the people. Amirite?Uhmm, do you not remember recent rulings eviscerating the voting rights act, immunizing corporations from generally applicable laws based on their corporate religious beliefs, etc, etc?
The history of the Supreme Court for most of US history save the Warren Court has been to strike down popularly enacted legislaction. Hell at one point they even struck down child labor laws as an unfair restriction on a child’s freedom to enter into contracts.
I can’t think of one hiring manager that would entertain such allegations absent a criminal investigation.This isn't a court of law, this is a job interview. Any reasonable hiring manager would delay deciding on a candidate in light of credible accusations of sex crimes. Most would likely just outright reject them.
Except of course Bill ClintonYes, when that 'experimenting' means a reasonable likelihood that they have committed a felony. This is entirely appropriate and is in holding with the standards for public officials for my entire life.
Kavanaugh should go back to his other job, but not due to these allegations.The real scandal is if they decided to hand wave away felonies because someone was a teenager. There are plenty of actual teenagers in jail for similar offenses and nobody cares about them yet somehow conservatives are just outraged at the unfairness because Kavanaugh might not get to be a Supreme Court justice and might just have to go back to his other enormously powerful, cushy, well paid job.
Why involve the FBI for a job interview?This is illogical, if you think the allegation is shaky then you should want the FBI to investigate to confirm or deny it.
No reasonable prosecutor would pursue allegations that can’t lock down a time and place of the crime.Absolutely not!!!! This story is well sourced by some of the most prestigious journalists on the planet and it is independently corroborated by other people at the party. (some others say they don't remember it though)
No we are pretty deep into the dumpster at this point.That doesn't mean it has to be correct, but to categorize it as dumpster diving is prejudicial nonsense.
There is a now letter attributed to Avenetti floating around accusing Kavanaugh and Judge of gang rape. That is Pizzagate level stupid.This is nonsense and you know it. Pizzagate was easily disproven nonsense. You have no idea what Avenatti's allegation is because that information isn't available at this time. To equate an allegation you have no knowledge of to a crazy, discredited conspiracy theory is indicative that you're not evaluating this objectively.
Chappaquiddick Kennedy led the charge against Bork. Talk about hypocrisy.Huh? Absolutely not, Robert Bork was rightly rejected. No sane person should have wanted him anywhere even close to the Supreme Court considering his ethical problems.
SCOTUS doesn’t make laws they only interpret the constitutionality of them. If the GOP loses Congress, the Senate or the White House, its a moot point.
Allegations of sexual assault would delay the hiring of a janitor in the nth hour of a hiring process but you think it should just be ignored for a supreme court judge?Yes but all nominations inevitably go forward to a vote, job interviews eventually result in a hiring decision. The hiring decision got delayed by nth hour allegations that no reasonable prosecutor would entertain this far outside the statute of limitations.
I can’t think of one hiring manager that would entertain such allegations absent a criminal investigation.
Except of course Bill Clinton
Kavanaugh should go back to his other job, but not due to these allegations.
Why involve the FBI for a job interview?
No reasonable prosecutor would pursue allegations that can’t lock down a time and place of the crime.
No we are pretty deep into the dumpster at this point.
There is a now letter attributed to Avenetti floating around accusing Kavanaugh and Judge of gang rape. That is Pizzagate level stupid.
Chappaquiddick Kennedy led the charge against Bork. Talk about hypocrisy.
I've been a hiring manager before, and if a primary or secondary reference reported a sexual assault by the candidate, even it it was never prosecuted, I wouldn't even follow up, it would be game over for that candidate. There would be no criminal investigation, there would be opportunity for the candidate to give his side of the story, it would just be over. And every hiring manager I can think of would respond the same way. There's absolutely no reason for a company to risk something like that when there are almost always other candidates that are close to equally qualified without the baggage. You must hang out with some really shitty hiring managers.I can’t think of one hiring manager that would entertain such allegations absent a criminal investigation.
I can’t think of one hiring manager that would entertain nth hour accusations absent of anyone pressing charges or a criminal investigation. That is called slander.Allegations of sexual assault would delay the hiring of a janitor in the nth hour of a hiring process but you think it should just be ignored for a supreme court judge?
Reference #2326 & #2332.