Kavanaugh SCOTUS Senate Judicial Hearing

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Jaskalas

Lifer
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The trouble with the whole mistaken identity theory is that Ford didn't just identify Kavanaugh. She also identified Kavanaugh's admitted good friend Mark Judge as being in the room. Judge has publicly said that he can't recall any such party or occurrence. So if she's mistaking Kavanaugh's identity, then presumably she is also mistaking someone else for Mark Judge, and it just so happens by coincidence that Judge was Kavanaugh's friend.

That's the reason I tend to believe her allegations. Not because of her credible demeanor. Both her and Kavanaugh seem credible in their accusations and denials, and either could just be putting on a good acting job. But we know this happened to her because she said it to two therapists in 2012. And, as I said, the theory of mistaken identity makes no sense here.

So...
1: The claim existed prior.
2: She named 3 people in the same social circle.

Both deliver on various aspects of credibility.
 

FIVR

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The fix is in. Apparently 5 (5!) Democrats are considering voting for Kavanaugh. There's no way they don't get a couple of them.
 

vi edit

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After digesting everything yesterday, and watching replays of things. I just have to ask...why is this such a binary decision? This is lifetime appointment to 1 of 9 positions in the entire country. And this is the best we can get?

The question shouldn't be a yes or no vote. It should be "Can't we do better?"

Because I think we can. Kavnaugh is not a person that expresses the composure or maturity that a position of that weight requires. His temperment should be an absolute disqualifier.
 
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vi edit

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I think that one consequence of all this is by Kavanaugh and Republicans screaming wild claims of an angry liberal (Clintonite even) conspiracy at the old somewhat bewildered guard Democrats is that they're effectively guaranteeing the creation of such a thing like they have on their end. Younger generations of liberals like myself are watching. If the Republicans want to fight bare knuckles then we'll need to get a bat. If they bring a knife then we'll need a gun. This is the logical progression of the tribal warfare they are stoking.

This goes nowhere good for the country but Republicans have charted a Trumpian course to maintain power at all costs. This is where it ends up.

I don't disagree, but part of what makes us liberal minded is that we aren't intellectually dishonest and the same tactics aren't part of our emotional makeup. It's not natural for us to go lower.
 

kage69

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I think that one consequence of all this is by Kavanaugh and Republicans screaming wild claims of an angry liberal (Clintonite even) conspiracy at the old somewhat bewildered guard Democrats is that they're effectively guaranteeing the creation of such a thing like they have on their end. Younger generations of liberals like myself are watching. If the Republicans want to fight bare knuckles then we'll need to get a bat. If they bring a knife then we'll need a gun. This is the logical progression of the tribal warfare they are stoking.

This goes nowhere good for the country but Republicans have charted a Trumpian course to maintain power at all costs. This is where it ends up.

Call out for excellence.
 

K1052

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I don't disagree, but part of what makes us liberal minded is that we aren't intellectually dishonest and the same tactics aren't part of our emotional makeup. It's not natural for us to go lower.

I agree however there are going to be a lot of people who question the utility of that restraint in the face of no holds barred tactics the Republicans are willing to deploy. As much chatter as Rs have about the up and coming "extreme left" they are doing more than anybody to manufacture such a thing. The prophecy is self fulfilling.
 

zinfamous

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How would the WH cover up something in an FBI background check? Wouldn't the Committee just get those documents anyway? I'm not convinced McGahn is hiding anything.

My understanding is that the investigation is at the request of the WH and the materials are delivered to the admin, that can do with it whatever they want.
 

K1052

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We can finally overturn Roe v. Wade!

Incidentally abortions in the US have fallen well below the 1973 rate and continue to drop.

Really if conservatives wanted to end abortion they'd make birth control universally free but that's not what it's about.
 

FIVR

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Don't stress about it. The only people who need to worry about Kavanaugh are women and minorities.


Us white guys are gonna be on easy street from now on. Make that easier street, we already have a pretty sweet deal going.
 

ivwshane

Lifer
May 15, 2000
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Another line of missed questioning?

Remember that letter where 65 women from high school vouched for him? That's a lot of women when he went to an all boys high school. When Ford's story broke that letter came out a few days later. Clearly he though he need affirmation from a lot of women. Why? He does not have a similar latter from men. Clearly he knew there were bad things in his past involving women for which he needed cover.

That letter came out the next day! Of course they were aware of this.
 

HomerJS

Lifer
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The ABA is toothless in this matter. An FBI background investigation has been conducted on Kavanaugh six times throughout his career. Even if, it's pointless, as they would come back with the same information that has already been presented, only delaying the process, to get to the same point we are already at. It's a redundant fools errand, and quite unnecessary. The only ones hollering for it, are doing so for the delay it would cause, not so much caring whether or not anything new turns up. Motive noted.
If you think new information can't come in even after an FBI background check , I have two words for you...

Rob Porter

BTW - the ABA originally endorsed Kavanaugh and he accepted
 

Hayabusa Rider

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Despite non memory of anything else, the one positive thing she is sure of is that it is Brett Kavanaugh.

That's the easiest thing to understand. Traumatic events create the greatest imprints in memory. That's the reason PTSD is an issue and finding a way to delete memories is being investigated.
 

Denly

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Libtards better hope he is not confirmed. He is not going to forget
the complete bullshit the demcrats put him and his family through He will
absolutely FUCK the leftist agendas every way he can in the next 20 years.
you you libtards were scared of him before this, well you god damn better
be down right terrified of what may come.

This is the kind of quality you looking for at a SCOTUS nominees?
 
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Ford's letter to Feinstein specified that she wanted the matter to be kept confidential. Should Feinstein have ignored that and taken it to the FBI instead?
This could have been easily handled confidentially within the confines of the committee using established processes and Feinstein should have strongly encouraged Ford to allow this. Instead she held onto to the allegation and she (or her cronies) used it as an 11th hour surprise that was clearly orchestrated as a means to delay the nomination process as much as possible. This is about as corrupt and slimy as it gets and you should be ashamed about the way Democrats handled this.
 
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fskimospy

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This could have been easily handled confidentially within the confines of the committee using established processes and Feinstein should have strongly encouraged Ford to allow this. Instead she held onto to the allegation and she (or her cronies) used it as an 11th hour surprise that was clearly orchestrated as a means to delay the nomination process as much as possible. This is about as corrupt and slimy as it gets and you should be ashamed about the way Democrats handled this.

The existence of the letter was outed by The Intercept, who says they did not get it from Feinstein or her office. Is the Intercept lying? If not, don’t you think you owe Feinstein an apology?

It’s very interesting that you don’t appear to be nearly as angry about the sexual assault as you are about someone telling people about it.
 
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thilanliyan

Lifer
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This could have been easily handled confidentially within the confines of the committee using established processes and Feinstein should have strongly encouraged Ford to allow this. Instead she held onto to the allegation and she (or her cronies) used it as an 11th hour surprise that was clearly orchestrated as a means to delay the nomination process as much as possible. This is about as corrupt and slimy as it gets and you should be ashamed about the way Democrats handled this.

If the allegation is true, why does the timing matter?

In all likelihood November isn't going to change anything and repubs will have a second/third/etc crack at confirming him anyway.

PS. "Ashamed about the way Democrats handled this."??? Oh the irony (about pretty much every other issue).
 
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pauldun170

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After digesting everything yesterday, and watching replays of things. I just have to ask...why is this such a binary decision? This is lifetime appointment to 1 of 9 positions in the entire country. And this is the best we can get?

The question shouldn't be a yes or no vote. It should be "Can't we do better?"

Because I think we can. Kavnaugh is not a person that expresses the composure or maturity that a position of that weight requires. His temperment should be an absolute disqualifier.

After Kavanuagh's recent actions, I could care less about what happened in the 80's.
His actions now should disqualify him and anyone who still pushes him as a candidate should be embarrassed.
 
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Commodus

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This could have been easily handled confidentially within the confines of the committee using established processes and Feinstein should have strongly encouraged Ford to allow this. Instead she held onto to the allegation and she (or her cronies) used it as an 11th hour surprise that was clearly orchestrated as a means to delay the nomination process as much as possible. This is about as corrupt and slimy as it gets and you should be ashamed about the way Democrats handled this.

I don't like that they held back on it; that doesn't mean it's a fabricated story.

You lie that the Democrats don't have the high ground here... I'm sorry, but they have the victim of an attempted rape, the Republicans have the perpetrator and inveterate liar. You can't equivocate here.
 

fskimospy

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If the allegation is true, why does the timing matter?

In all likelihood November isn't going to change anything and repubs will have a second/third/etc crack at confirming him anyway.

PS. "Ashamed about the way Democrats handled this."??? Oh the irony (about pretty much every other issue).

The timing is all that matters because at a fundamental level Republicans don’t give a shit if it’s true or not. There was a recent poll where more than half of Republicans thought he should be confirmed even if the allegations are true! That’s the level of insanity we are dealing with here.

So yeah DSF, the Democrats have pleeeeenty of moral high ground here.
 
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The existence of the letter was outed by The Intercept, who says they did not get it from Feinstein or her office. Is the Intercept lying? If not, don’t you think you owe Feinstein an apology?

It’s very interesting that you don’t appear to be nearly as angry about the sexual assault as you are about someone telling people about it.
Apology? Are you fucking insane? Feinstein shared that letter with others and is personally responsible for breaching Ford's confidence in her.
 
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