Kavanaugh SCOTUS Senate Judicial Hearing

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Maxima1

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If lying under oath doesn't matter, why put nominees under oath? Why bother having the hearings at all?

Or for that matter, why put anyone under oath if arguably the one that should be held to the highest standard isn't even held to anything?
 
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Yeah, "the devil's triangle" and "bouff" OOOHHH what lies, perjury, evil intent!

LMAO

I have to admit - do people honestly expect a judge to say "Well, you see sir, it's a three-way gangbang intercourse activity in-which there are two males and 1 female"..

Does anyone honestly expect someone to say that on national television (being covered by every channel) and expecting a good result?

Not justifying lying here - but yeaaaah. Those types of questions are rather out of line IMO.
 

jackstar7

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I would support a movement of not taking the oath from here on out.

Him lying under oath is what turned the tide on a lot of Kav's allies and old friends, but it's clear that it doesn't mean anything.

All norms gone.
 

jackstar7

Lifer
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I have to admit - do people honestly expect a judge to say "Well, you see sir, it's a three-way gangbang intercourse activity in-which there are two males and 1 female"..

Does anyone honestly expect someone to say that on national television (being covered by every channel) and expecting a good result?

Not justifying lying here - but yeaaaah. Those types of questions are rather out of line IMO.
He could have said he didn't know, or couldn't recall. Still a lie, but not one that could be proved.
 

HomerJS

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I have to admit - do people honestly expect a judge to say "Well, you see sir, it's a three-way gangbang intercourse activity in-which there are two males and 1 female"..

Does anyone honestly expect someone to say that on national television (being covered by every channel) and expecting a good result?

Not justifying lying here - but yeaaaah. Those types of questions are rather out of line IMO.
If he didn't utter the original lie that he was a virgin then the questions would be out of line. Kavanaugh opened that line of questioning.

Since he did he was obligated to tell the truth. All he had to say that it was a sex act and he didn't want to go into details. No good but at least honest.
 
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He could have said he didn't know, or couldn't recall. Still a lie, but not one that could be proved.

I forgot where they got it from - but if it was something written by himself it would kinda be hard to deny knowing what it is, no?

either way, you too are encouraging him to lie under oath.
 

ivwshane

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I have to admit - do people honestly expect a judge to say "Well, you see sir, it's a three-way gangbang intercourse activity in-which there are two males and 1 female"..

Does anyone honestly expect someone to say that on national television (being covered by every channel) and expecting a good result?

Not justifying lying here - but yeaaaah. Those types of questions are rather out of line IMO.

Uh, he could have referred to it as a sexual act.

Do you play stupid all the time or only when defending Republicans for repugnant behavior?
 

Maxima1

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I have to admit - do people honestly expect a judge to say "Well, you see sir, it's a three-way gangbang intercourse activity in-which there are two males and 1 female"..

Does anyone honestly expect someone to say that on national television (being covered by every channel) and expecting a good result?

Not justifying lying here - but yeaaaah. Those types of questions are rather out of line IMO.

He expected that of Clinton. lol It's called karma. More seriously, he could have said it's of a sexual nature, but that they were only joking as teenagers/young college students. There were a lot of baffling lies he made that he could have instead maneuvered around without lying (or hiding it). The lying on the little things also made him seem much less credible and guilty.
 

jackstar7

Lifer
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I forgot where they got it from - but if it was something written by himself it would kinda be hard to deny knowing what it is, no?

either way, you too are encouraging him to lie under oath.
I'm not. I'm saying he's a lawyer and judge and should know that stating a blatant lie under oath should disqualify him from his appointment.

I wanted him to tell the truth. And YES. He was asked and should have answered exactly what it is. Or he could have said it's slang for a sex act. Do you imagine the Senator would push for details? Maybe, but at least working in the realm of the truth could have provided him some cover instead of just straight lying.

Are you worried about all the children glued to Senate Judiciary Hearings?
 

interchange

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I'm in the general agreeance that his behavior during the testimony (and interviews) is what should condemn him. Just based on his general unprofessional behavior - let alone if he lied under oath or not.

However - The other items have no basis, facts, or real credibility. Everyone here drank in high school and college (well, 99% at least, we are talking about a nerd forum). Everyone here has also likely had one night where you blacked out or simply was unable to remember what happened the previous night. Thinking that a political figure is holier than thou is downright pathetic. If actions from when you were a kid growing up in life was grounds for not hiring you most people here would never be employed

Keep in mind that what could have happened from the beginning is an FBI supplemental investigation that included Ford and Kavanaugh and would not have been publicly available. Kavanaugh didn't have to be put in the position of publicly answering these questions. This has always been a political game -- one that Republicans are likely to win while transparently displaying why they don't deserve to.
 
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Zorba

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I have to admit - do people honestly expect a judge to say "Well, you see sir, it's a three-way gangbang intercourse activity in-which there are two males and 1 female"..

Does anyone honestly expect someone to say that on national television (being covered by every channel) and expecting a good result?

Not justifying lying here - but yeaaaah. Those types of questions are rather out of line IMO.
"It is an euphemism, sir."
 

Jhhnn

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What do you mean so what? He admitted to drinking - that should be that, trying to ascertain whether or not he was ever blackout drunk without anybody recollecting a specific admission from Kavanaugh himself does not make him a liar.

Is this really what passes for a SCOTUS confirmation hearing now? Is this really what we want. You are actually now dismissing entirely the claims of Ford "So what" you said, and are focusing on college drinking habits. Holy shit.

I'm focusing on the lies Kavanaugh has told about that drinking. He fundamentally misrepresented who he was & therefore who he is today. He tried to sell himself as some kind of choirboy when he was, in truth, entirely of the opposite persuasion. He destroyed his own credibility in doing so.

There's also the problem of him being a highly partisan right wing conspiracy theorist as revealed in his opening statement last Thursday-

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate...s-victim-of-revenge-on-behalf-of-the-clintons

I mean, we need that on the Supreme Court because what, exactly? Because he's a member of the Tribe?
 
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khon

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Looks like the Republicans finished up their pretend investigation, and are ready to move on with the confirmation, and Machin might vote with them as well.

Might as well skip the confirmation hearings for future judges, clearly the senators are not paying attention to the information anyway, and lying under oath doesn't seem to matter.
 
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Wut ! You didn't hear that? that's right it was on the Fake News, so of course you didn't hear him say it.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/29/politics/trump-fbi-investigation-kavanaugh/index.html
Yes, exactly as stated.

"On Friday, the Senate Judiciary Committee formally requested the White House instruct the FBI to conduct a supplemental background investigation, saying it should probe "current credible allegations" against Kavanaugh.
Complying with the Senate's request, Trump directed the FBI Friday night to re-open its background investigation into Kavanaugh with the probe "limited in scope and completed in less than one week."
 
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I would support a movement of not taking the oath from here on out.

Him lying under oath is what turned the tide on a lot of Kav's allies and old friends, but it's clear that it doesn't mean anything.

All norms gone.
Except that there were no lies. Nice try though, you can now start to compete in the ATP&N Special political Olympics.
 

Jhhnn

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Yes, exactly as stated.

"On Friday, the Senate Judiciary Committee formally requested the White House instruct the FBI to conduct a supplemental background investigation, saying it should probe "current credible allegations" against Kavanaugh.
Complying with the Senate's request, Trump directed the FBI Friday night to re-open its background investigation into Kavanaugh with the probe "limited in scope and completed in less than one week."

And what about Kavanaugh's lies?
 

soundforbjt

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Yes, exactly as stated.

"On Friday, the Senate Judiciary Committee formally requested the White House instruct the FBI to conduct a supplemental background investigation, saying it should probe "current credible allegations" against Kavanaugh.
Complying with the Senate's request, Trump directed the FBI Friday night to re-open its background investigation into Kavanaugh with the probe "limited in scope and completed in less than one week."
You left out this part, I wonder why...
"The FBI as you know is all over, talking to everybody ... " Trump told reporters Saturday in Washington on his way to a rally in West Virginia. "They have been all over it already. They have free rein to do whatever they have to do."
 
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If he didn't utter the original lie that he was a virgin then the questions would be out of line. Kavanaugh opened that line of questioning.

Since he did he was obligated to tell the truth. All he had to say that it was a sex act and he didn't want to go into details. No good but at least honest.
You have proof it was a lie? Proof he wasn't a virgin as stated? You get to compete against jackboot in the ATP&N Special political Olympics.
 
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dainthomas

Lifer
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Not justifying lying here - but yeaaaah. Those types of questions are rather out of line IMO.

Perhaps it was so the party of family values would be clear that they support supreme court justices who engage in those activities.

Obviously, I don't care if he did since I'm not an evangelical hypocrite. But I do care that he lied. He could have just refused to answer. I doubt Grassley would have made him.
 

khon

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