Kavanaugh SCOTUS Senate Judicial Hearing

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ivwshane

Lifer
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Going for the rape joke was quite a move.

Collins also stated plainly this morning that she believed Kavanugh was not Ford's assailant even though she believes she was assailed. I guess somebody bought the core of the nuts Whelan story.

Bought it? No, it was simply their cover and it worked perfectly.

Party before country everytime, all the time.
 

Maxima1

Diamond Member
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WTF. These Democrats are really stupid.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/06/politics/democrats-avenatti-swetnick-accusation/index.html

Democrats say Avenatti undercut their case against Kavanaugh

A host of Democratic senators and senior aides told CNN that the allegations from Avenatti's client gave the GOP an opening to conflate -- and dismiss -- all the allegations in one broad brush.
"Well you know at some point there were a lot of folks coming forward making all sorts of accusations," said Sen. Gary Peters, a Michigan Democrat, when asked about the allegations raised by Avenatti and his client. "It turns it into a circus atmosphere and certainly that's not where we should be."

 
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Going for the rape joke was quite a move.

Collins also stated plainly this morning that she believed Kavanugh was not Ford's assailant even though she believes she was assailed. I guess somebody bought the core of the nuts Whelan story.

Yes but then Collins had just days ago gone off the deep end and said she hopes that Kavanaugh will be non-biased, even though he's shown bias consistently, including pushing nutjob conspiracy theories at a hearing related to this nomination. That she ignored his willingness to lie, well people who are ok with that tend to be liars themselves.

Its easy and incredibly dismissive for her say she simply believes both of them. That's what people who aren't interested in the truth say so that they can placate themselves and others for them not giving a shit.

Not only that, but I'm pretty sure they have the ability to get this properly investigated, if nothing more than to prove that they actually do believe Ford, so that they can give her peace of mind. But they've gone out of their way to make sure that won't happen.

Susan Collins is a fraud. Now that she's shown it very clearly with her actions, hopefully the people she represents will indicate how that makes them feel on the ballots.
 
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fskimospy

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Depends. Last I recall every democrat was shouting that it was bullshit and it was just a blowjob and that he shouldn't have been impeached. I'm not asking about what happened - I'm asking what side you are on in the subject. The fact that you answered with "what happened" instead of what you think tells me we already know the hypocritical answer.

How was he disbarred? I don't recall all the history, but from what I recall there wasn't enough left in his time as president to push an impeachment all the way.

EDIT: Looks like you're correct as far as being disbarred. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/bill-clinton-fined-and-disbarred-over-the-monica-lewinsky-scandal/

So disbar kavanaugh?
 

Slew Foot

Lifer
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One of the turds wanted to go to his daughter's wedding, so one of the Senators changed his/her vote from 'No' to 'Present' so the rapist could be confirmed.

Yeah, really. A sitting senator punted on voting against a rapist for SCOTUS so one of his/her colleagues wouldn't be inconvenienced by having to actually be there to vote for him. These people are unbelievable ghouls.

He was never convicted of rape so your statement is false.
 

K1052

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Aug 21, 2003
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WTF. These Democrats are really stupid.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/06/politics/democrats-avenatti-swetnick-accusation/index.html

Democrats say Avenatti undercut their case against Kavanaugh

A host of Democratic senators and senior aides told CNN that the allegations from Avenatti's client gave the GOP an opening to conflate -- and dismiss -- all the allegations in one broad brush.
"Well you know at some point there were a lot of folks coming forward making all sorts of accusations," said Sen. Gary Peters, a Michigan Democrat, when asked about the allegations raised by Avenatti and his client. "It turns it into a circus atmosphere and certainly that's not where we should be."

I don't think Avenatti really had much impact on all of this and people who say that he did are just looking for someone to blame. The Republicans didn't need him to dismiss the allegations before the Senate since they had already decided to anyway.
 

compuwiz1

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Any further debate on this is like trying to put the spilled milk back in the glass.
The message the left needed to get today is this:
Winning will no longer be accomplished by disingenuous character attacks and bullying. It no longer works and they'd damn well better run on their own merits. Attempting to destroy others to gain power is a failed tactic. Change is accomplished in the voting booth, not by breaking things, destroying lives and grabbing what they want. All the hissy fits and protesting will not reverse the result. You have emboldened the Republicans and other sane Americans, going into the midterms.

I know that's a hard pill to swallow, but it is one the left needs to swallow. May they find self awareness and maturity going forward.
 

IronWing

No Lifer
Jul 20, 2001
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Any further debate on this is like trying to put the spilled milk back in the glass.
The message the left needed to get today is this:
Winning will no longer be accomplished by disingenuous character attacks and bullying. It no longer works and they'd damn well better run on their own merits. Attempting to destroy others to gain power is a failed tactic. Change is accomplished in the voting booth, not by breaking things, destroying lives and grabbing what they want. All the hissy fits and protesting will not reverse the result. You have emboldened the Republicans and other sane Americans, going into the midterms.
It's been working just fine for Republicans ever since Roe v Wade was first decided.
 

soundforbjt

Lifer
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Any further debate on this is like trying to put the spilled milk back in the glass.
The message the left needed to get today is this:
Winning will no longer be accomplished by disingenuous character attacks and bullying. It no longer works and they'd damn well better run on their own merits. Attempting to destroy others to gain power is a failed tactic. Change is accomplished in the voting booth, not by breaking things, destroying lives and grabbing what they want. All the hissy fits and protesting will not reverse the result. You have emboldened the Republicans and other sane Americans, going into the midterms.

I know that's a hard pill to swallow, but it is one the left needs to swallow. May they find self awareness and maturity going forward.
Trump is the President isn't he?
 

SteveGrabowski

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Any further debate on this is like trying to put the spilled milk back in the glass.
The message the left needed to get today is this:
Winning will no longer be accomplished by disingenuous character attacks and bullying. It no longer works and they'd damn well better run on their own merits. Attempting to destroy others to gain power is a failed tactic. Change is accomplished in the voting booth, not by breaking things, destroying lives and grabbing what they want. All the hissy fits and protesting will not reverse the result. You have emboldened the Republicans and other sane Americans, going into the midterms.

I know that's a hard pill to swallow, but it is one the left needs to swallow. May they find self awareness and maturity going forward.

I'm dying laughing hearing this from the party of Trump.
 

dank69

Lifer
Oct 6, 2009
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Any further debate on this is like trying to put the spilled milk back in the glass.
The message the left needed to get today is this:
Winning will no longer be accomplished by disingenuous character attacks and bullying. It no longer works and they'd damn well better run on their own merits. Attempting to destroy others to gain power is a failed tactic. Change is accomplished in the voting booth, not by breaking things, destroying lives and grabbing what they want. All the hissy fits and protesting will not reverse the result. You have emboldened the Republicans and other sane Americans, going into the midterms.

I know that's a hard pill to swallow, but it is one the left needs to swallow. May they find self awareness and maturity going forward.
Also lying under oath is no longer a crime so thanks for that Republicans. Also, FBI investigations shall henceforth be limited to seven days.
 

Blackjack200

Lifer
May 28, 2007
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He was never convicted of rape so your statement is false.

Fuck off and die.

Please express yourself in a way that cannot be interpreted disastrously literally. "The line" stops right here. If goes no further.

Perknose
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crashtech

Lifer
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Any further debate on this is like trying to put the spilled milk back in the glass.
The message the left needed to get today is this:
Winning will no longer be accomplished by disingenuous character attacks and bullying. It no longer works and they'd damn well better run on their own merits. Attempting to destroy others to gain power is a failed tactic. Change is accomplished in the voting booth, not by breaking things, destroying lives and grabbing what they want. All the hissy fits and protesting will not reverse the result. You have emboldened the Republicans and other sane Americans, going into the midterms

I know that's a hard pill to swallow, but it is one the left needs to swallow. May they find self awareness and maturity going forward.
It also shows that many Americans don't actually want due process to be cast aside. There is no right for accusers to be believed, to the contrary, the presumption of innocence directly contradicts the notion. That's not to say that law enforcement doesn't have a duty to take credible accusations seriously, but that's very different from uncritically accepting every sexual assault allegation as gospel, as the Democrats and metooers are doing.
 

Commodus

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How long before we see conservatives gloating by talking about how they raped Democrats? The WSJ ran an article after Collins voted in committee or whatever to let the vote happen, and the article title was "Susan Collins consents" and tries to claim that its because she "advises and consents", so it makes total sense for them to remove the advises part, eh? Not to mention the morons think people don't see that the fact that they had to go out of their way to explain the consent part reveals they definitely knew how it was coming off and were pleased, but they of course have to have a bullshit plausible deniability argument queued up. Kinda like how Kavanaugh had a list of women willing to vouch for him prepared for when the Ford allegations (and/or any others) came out.

Certainly wouldn't put it past some Republican supporters (not the politicians, at least not in public) to make horrific jokes like that. The whole thing is disgusting. Even if you don't think Kavanaugh did what he was accused of, the fact remains that the GOP and its most rabid devotees didn't even care about learning the truth behind the accusation so long as it meant ramming through their appointment. We knew they'd put party over country (not to mention basic decency) all along, but that doesn't make it any less shameful.
 

crashtech

Lifer
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Certainly wouldn't put it past some Republican supporters (not the politicians, at least not in public) to make horrific jokes like that. The whole thing is disgusting. Even if you don't think Kavanaugh did what he was accused of, the fact remains that the GOP and its most rabid devotees didn't even care about learning the truth behind the accusation so long as it meant ramming through their appointment. We knew they'd put party over country (not to mention basic decency) all along, but that doesn't make it any less shameful.
Ginning up false 36 year old accusations and dragging the whole country though the mud is putting party and ideology before country for sure; if any of what you say has merit, chalk it up to tit-for-tat.
 
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Blackjack200

Lifer
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Certainly wouldn't put it past some Republican supporters (not the politicians, at least not in public) to make horrific jokes like that. The whole thing is disgusting. Even if you don't think Kavanaugh did what he was accused of, the fact remains that the GOP and its most rabid devotees didn't even care about learning the truth behind the accusation so long as it meant ramming through their appointment. We knew they'd put party over country (not to mention basic decency) all along, but that doesn't make it any less shameful.

It’s so far beyond that, honestly. They could have ditched Kavanaugh and had plenty of alternatives that would have been just as horrific on the court. This was a power move.
 

Maxima1

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It also shows that many Americans don't actually want due process to be cast aside. There is no right for accusers to be believed, to the contrary, the presumption of innocence directly contradicts the notion. That's not to say that law enforcement doesn't have a duty to take credible accusations seriously, but that's very different from uncritically accepting every sexual assault allegation as gospel, as the Democrats and metooers are doing.

It's just them being disingenuous as usual. Many conservatives are OKAY with Kavanaugh being on the court if he did it, and would do a 180 on the allegations if a D was by their name.
 

Greenman

Lifer
Oct 15, 1999
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Here we are after 3 weeks of pearl clutching and high drama, and the vote went pretty much exactly as it would have 3 weeks back. Mrs Ford and Kavanaugh managed to score half a million bucks each, so I guess it was worth it to them.
I think the dems made a mistake bringing Mrs. Ford forward and making it the central issue of the conformation process. At the end of the day, all it did was piss off both sides.
I'd like to see us move away from emotion and grievance as the two driving forces in politics, wishful thinking I know, but I hope springs eternal and all that.
 

crashtech

Lifer
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It’s so far beyond that, honestly. They could have ditched Kavanaugh and had plenty of alternatives that would have been just as horrific on the court. This was a power move.
It's rub your nose in it and swat you on your backside for playing dirty. Next time let's stick to the nominee's official record, shall we? But there wasn't much there to hang a hat on, so it had to get nasty, and people saw right through it as the desperate dirty trick that it was.
 

Maxima1

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I don't think Avenatti really had much impact on all of this and people who say that he did are just looking for someone to blame. The Republicans didn't need him to dismiss the allegations before the Senate since they had already decided to anyway.

Yes, I've come across many conservatives where most of the discussion revolved around Ford. Avenatti has always been on the sidelines.

I'm baffled still that Democrats are going along with the absurd Collins argument when they should just admit it's the extreme partisanship (e.g. polls showing conservatives want him on court even if he did it or lame and sick arguments about "boys being boys".). It also undermines their contention with Kavanaugh ironically. Avenatti's client put out a sworn statement and so did someone else backing his client.
 

Blackjack200

Lifer
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It's rub your nose in it and swat you on your backside for playing dirty. Next time let's stick to the nominee's official record, shall we? But there wasn't much there to hang a hat on, so it had to get nasty, and people saw right through it as the desperate dirty trick that it was.

I hope you get raped.

We received a complaint about this. Please try to better frame your anger about rape.

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sandorski

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Ginning up false 36 year old accusations and dragging the whole country though the mud is putting party and ideology before country for sure; if any of what you say has merit, chalk it up to tit-for-tat.

Wait. What happened to Innocent until proven Guilty?
 
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